Comments on: Juno Addendum http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ceerock/2008/01/09/juno-addendum/ Cynthia Rockwell Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:30:10 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: cynthia rockwell http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ceerock/2008/01/09/juno-addendum/comment-page-1/#comment-18077 cynthia rockwell Mon, 23 Jun 2008 01:39:28 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ceerock/2008/01/09/juno-addendum/#comment-18077 wow this is funny, diablo cody on the harvard plagiarist: http://blogs.citypages.com/dcody/2006/05/how_opal_mehta_totally_cornhol.php wow this is funny, diablo cody on the harvard plagiarist: http://blogs.citypages.com/dcody/2006/05/how_opal_mehta_totally_cornhol.php

]]> By: cynthia rockwell http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ceerock/2008/01/09/juno-addendum/comment-page-1/#comment-17869 cynthia rockwell Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:17:21 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ceerock/2008/01/09/juno-addendum/#comment-17869 wow. people please continue to post your examples of this film's plagiarism, we'll compose a list! wow. people please continue to post your examples of this film’s plagiarism, we’ll compose a list!

]]> By: Sarah http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ceerock/2008/01/09/juno-addendum/comment-page-1/#comment-17865 Sarah Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:50:08 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ceerock/2008/01/09/juno-addendum/#comment-17865 yep: and "that's not old school, that's old testament" is, at least, season 1 veronica mars. yep: and “that’s not old school, that’s old testament” is, at least, season 1 veronica mars.

]]> By: cynthia rockwell http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ceerock/2008/01/09/juno-addendum/comment-page-1/#comment-17803 cynthia rockwell Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:22:19 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ceerock/2008/01/09/juno-addendum/#comment-17803 just read somewhere that the "he's the cheese to my macaroni" is lifted from a beastie boys song as well. just read somewhere that the “he’s the cheese to my macaroni” is lifted from a beastie boys song as well.

]]> By: cynthia rockwell http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ceerock/2008/01/09/juno-addendum/comment-page-1/#comment-17528 cynthia rockwell Sun, 03 Feb 2008 14:31:05 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ceerock/2008/01/09/juno-addendum/#comment-17528 weird that you would be moved to comment on critiques of a movie when you haven't even seen it. and stealing entire jokes word for word is not "little thefts", they are plagiarism. if juno were a book diablo cody would be discredited and likely sued by now, like that harvard student who wrote an indian-american teen novel, but for some reason in movies plagiarism is not taken seriously. weird that you would be moved to comment on critiques of a movie when you haven’t even seen it. and stealing entire jokes word for word is not “little thefts”, they are plagiarism. if juno were a book diablo cody would be discredited and likely sued by now, like that harvard student who wrote an indian-american teen novel, but for some reason in movies plagiarism is not taken seriously.

]]> By: Udayan http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ceerock/2008/01/09/juno-addendum/comment-page-1/#comment-17527 Udayan Sun, 03 Feb 2008 11:51:01 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ceerock/2008/01/09/juno-addendum/#comment-17527 I haven't seen Juno, but I just don't agree that being influenced (or making little thefts) cannot result in someone being original. I suppose when critics are calling it original they mean it as a whole, and necessarily that all jokes, etc are original. Most importantly, from what I've read (and heard) it seems that the character are original (as oppossed to stereotypes or one-dimensional) and that then is perhaps the biggest achievement. As I said, I haven't seen it, so I have to wait till I can really get back to you on this one. (And comparisons with Knocked-Up really isn't justified). I haven’t seen Juno, but I just don’t agree that being influenced (or making little thefts) cannot result in someone being original. I suppose when critics are calling it original they mean it as a whole, and necessarily that all jokes, etc are original.

Most importantly, from what I’ve read (and heard) it seems that the character are original (as oppossed to stereotypes or one-dimensional) and that then is perhaps the biggest achievement.

As I said, I haven’t seen it, so I have to wait till I can really get back to you on this one.

(And comparisons with Knocked-Up really isn’t justified).

]]> By: cynthia rockwell http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ceerock/2008/01/09/juno-addendum/comment-page-1/#comment-17373 cynthia rockwell Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:30:19 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ceerock/2008/01/09/juno-addendum/#comment-17373 ok because of y'all's comments i went and rented knocked up and ... um ... i don't see so much similarity other than that they both are about unexpected pregnancies. i guess in a very wide sense, structurally, they are similar, maybe, but i just don't get the sense of outrage that i was expecting after your comments. i could indeed see it as a response to the film more than a ripoff. ok because of y’all’s comments i went and rented knocked up and … um … i don’t see so much similarity other than that they both are about unexpected pregnancies. i guess in a very wide sense, structurally, they are similar, maybe, but i just don’t get the sense of outrage that i was expecting after your comments. i could indeed see it as a response to the film more than a ripoff.

]]> By: Dan http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ceerock/2008/01/09/juno-addendum/comment-page-1/#comment-17367 Dan Fri, 18 Jan 2008 00:57:19 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ceerock/2008/01/09/juno-addendum/#comment-17367 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0453115/ (IMDB, Korean Movie: Jeni, Juno [comedy, 2005) Seriously, if that's not enough for you to be like, "WTF, why are we going to reward someone who did a great job compiling a bunch of nostalgic and hilarious tidbits of other peoples work. I've heard talk that the director didn't know about the other movie before he started working on it. That much could be true but the pushing line seems to be originality and considering that best original screenplay is floating around and all eyes are on Juno...I have to raise my eyebrows and wonder. There are so many similarities to Knocked Up that I almost vomited. Knocked Up was a great movie but I wouldn't call it original. It was certainly funny. And I believe that had Juno waited maybe three years we'd all be ready for another laughfest about humans and their troubles with procreation. However, I really can't overlook the fact that there is another movie dealing with almost identical situations in the same genre and not call "Shenanigans." That stripper should stick to what she's best at: a pole. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0453115/ (IMDB, Korean Movie: Jeni, Juno [comedy, 2005)

Seriously, if that’s not enough for you to be like, “WTF, why are we going to reward someone who did a great job compiling a bunch of nostalgic and hilarious tidbits of other peoples work. I’ve heard talk that the director didn’t know about the other movie before he started working on it. That much could be true but the pushing line seems to be originality and considering that best original screenplay is floating around and all eyes are on Juno…I have to raise my eyebrows and wonder. There are so many similarities to Knocked Up that I almost vomited. Knocked Up was a great movie but I wouldn’t call it original. It was certainly funny. And I believe that had Juno waited maybe three years we’d all be ready for another laughfest about humans and their troubles with procreation. However, I really can’t overlook the fact that there is another movie dealing with almost identical situations in the same genre and not call “Shenanigans.” That stripper should stick to what she’s best at: a pole.

]]> By: cynthia rockwell http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ceerock/2008/01/09/juno-addendum/comment-page-1/#comment-17280 cynthia rockwell Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:49:30 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ceerock/2008/01/09/juno-addendum/#comment-17280 that's pretty sad, i haven't seen knocked up but it's clear from your evidence that it's a total ripoff of it. am i vaguely recalling that cody even said she wrote juno as a response to knocked up? i may have it all mushed up but either way there's pretty much nothing original about the film. that’s pretty sad, i haven’t seen knocked up but it’s clear from your evidence that it’s a total ripoff of it. am i vaguely recalling that cody even said she wrote juno as a response to knocked up? i may have it all mushed up but either way there’s pretty much nothing original about the film.

]]> By: Anon http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ceerock/2008/01/09/juno-addendum/comment-page-1/#comment-17257 Anon Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:47:23 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ceerock/2008/01/09/juno-addendum/#comment-17257 Manohla Dargis excerpt from her year-end roundup: Like “Knocked Up,” it pivots on a fertile hottie who has sex without protection and, after a little emotional messiness (and no scary diseases), delivers one baby and adopts a second, namely the man-child who (also) misplaced the Trojans. Both comedies superficially recall the male wish-fulfillment fantasies of “Sideways,” but without the lacerating adult self-awareness. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/23/movies/23darg.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">Full review here</a> Regardless of how one feels about the movie, I can't see how anyone can miss the structural similarities to <i>Knocked Up</i> -- Dargis's shorthand summary gets the meat, but there's so much more. Consider: The pregnant woman's best friend is supportive but the movie undercuts her completely. The pregnant woman considers abortion but dismisses the idea early on -- via a scene isolated from the rest of the movie via the fact that it involves characters we never see again (the mom in <i>Knocked Up</i>, the protesting classmate in <i>Juno</i>). The middle part of the movie is highjacked by marriage woes of an older, well-to-do couple where the woman wants to build a family and the man won't grow up. The older man is supposed to be "cool" because of his connection to music. The pregnant woman manages to end the movie more financially secure than at the start. The younger male lead is strongly associated with a beloved, canceled TV series. You don't have to claim plagiarism to see that <i>Juno</i> isn't even that original <b>for this movie season</b>. It's almost eerie. Anon Manohla Dargis excerpt from her year-end roundup: Like “Knocked Up,” it pivots on a fertile hottie who has sex without protection and, after a little emotional messiness (and no scary diseases), delivers one baby and adopts a second, namely the man-child who (also) misplaced the Trojans. Both comedies superficially recall the male wish-fulfillment fantasies of “Sideways,” but without the lacerating adult self-awareness.

Full review here

Regardless of how one feels about the movie, I can’t see how anyone can miss the structural similarities to Knocked Up — Dargis’s shorthand summary gets the meat, but there’s so much more. Consider:

The pregnant woman’s best friend is supportive but the movie undercuts her completely. The pregnant woman considers abortion but dismisses the idea early on — via a scene isolated from the rest of the movie via the fact that it involves characters we never see again (the mom in Knocked Up, the protesting classmate in Juno). The middle part of the movie is highjacked by marriage woes of an older, well-to-do couple where the woman wants to build a family and the man won’t grow up. The older man is supposed to be “cool” because of his connection to music. The pregnant woman manages to end the movie more financially secure than at the start. The younger male lead is strongly associated with a beloved, canceled TV series.

You don’t have to claim plagiarism to see that Juno isn’t even that original for this movie season. It’s almost eerie.

Anon

]]> By: seasull http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ceerock/2008/01/09/juno-addendum/comment-page-1/#comment-17229 seasull Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:43:23 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ceerock/2008/01/09/juno-addendum/#comment-17229 Stop making excuses for her! Stop making excuses for her!

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