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	<title>Comments on: More Crummy Reporting on Penn State&#8217;s Music Service</title>
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	<description>by Derek Slater</description>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2003 16:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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Adam is right on here.

I was at the Anaheim discussion where Spanier announced this deal (Valenti, Cary Sherman, Phelps from U of Rochester also).  How does this deal extend the mission of Penn State was asked.  Phelps asked how do NCAA athletics extend the academic mission?  How does the campus radio station extend the mission?  He added that students often list music as a primary part of their life.  The possibility of legal action against universities or congressional legislation is the catalyst for finding legal ways of providing students music.

Subsidizing Roxio?!  With the same logic: why should students be forced to subisidize Symantec and their anti-virus products with a campus-wide license?  Why should the subsidize Microsoft with a campus-wide Office license?</description>
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<p>Adam is right on here.</p>
<p>I was at the Anaheim discussion where Spanier announced this deal (Valenti, Cary Sherman, Phelps from U of Rochester also).  How does this deal extend the mission of Penn State was asked.  Phelps asked how do NCAA athletics extend the academic mission?  How does the campus radio station extend the mission?  He added that students often list music as a primary part of their life.  The possibility of legal action against universities or congressional legislation is the catalyst for finding legal ways of providing students music.</p>
<p>Subsidizing Roxio?!  With the same logic: why should students be forced to subisidize Symantec and their anti-virus products with a campus-wide license?  Why should the subsidize Microsoft with a campus-wide Office license?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2003 22:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;P&gt;Derek,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I think the &lt;EM&gt;why&lt;/EM&gt; can be broken into two separate rationale:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;1. They want their students to comply with copyright law. It&#039;s the reason Swat et al shutdown Diebold sites and it&#039;s the thinking behind PSU&#039;s decision to some degree as well. Is it the correct path? Maybe not ideally, but it&#039;s a pragmatic compliance solution.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;2. PSU&#039;s &lt;A href=&quot;http://www.psu.edu/ur/about/character.html&quot;&gt;mission&lt;/A&gt; includes promotion of &quot;human and economic development through the expansion of knowledge and its applications in the natural and applied sciences, social sciences, arts, humanities, and the professions.&quot; &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;How is inclusion of music via Napster different than the provision of music via PSU&#039;s &lt;A href=&quot;http://www.libraries.psu.edu/artshumanities/audio/digmuslib.html&quot;&gt;Digital Music Library&lt;/A&gt;? Fields of study that could be positively affected are :&lt;A href=&quot;http://clue.psu.edu/courses/a.html&quot;&gt;acoustics&lt;/A&gt;, &lt;A href=&quot;http://clue.psu.edu/courses/c.html&quot;&gt;communications&lt;/A&gt; and &lt;A href=&quot;http://www.ist.psu.edu/faculty_pages/santoro/250sp01/&quot;&gt;New Media on the Web&lt;/A&gt;, at first blush.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;It&#039;s at least as worthy as &lt;A href=&quot;https://portal.psu.edu/&quot;&gt;cable TV&lt;/A&gt;.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Additionally, calling it &#039;free&#039;, while untrue, is no more an affront than calling newspapers, library usage, or intramural sports programs &#039;free&#039;, and&#160;no more of an afront.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;On supporting &#039;For-Profits&#039;, I defy you to find a single university that doesn&#039;t support them in one way or another. Whether it&#039;s inclusion of cable or mandatory meal plans (served by Marriot), or outsourced&#160;facilities maintenance&#160;you&#039;re gonna find privitization paid for in part by public funds.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;If the question is &quot;why Napster&quot; over some BMG/Sony program, I reply &quot;what&#039;s that difference?&quot;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
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<p>Derek,</p>
<p>I think the <em>why</em> can be broken into two separate rationale:</p>
<p>1. They want their students to comply with copyright law. It&#8217;s the reason Swat et al shutdown Diebold sites and it&#8217;s the thinking behind PSU&#8217;s decision to some degree as well. Is it the correct path? Maybe not ideally, but it&#8217;s a pragmatic compliance solution.</p>
<p>2. PSU&#8217;s <a href="http://www.psu.edu/ur/about/character.html">mission</a> includes promotion of &#8220;human and economic development through the expansion of knowledge and its applications in the natural and applied sciences, social sciences, arts, humanities, and the professions.&#8221; </p>
<p>How is inclusion of music via Napster different than the provision of music via PSU&#8217;s <a href="http://www.libraries.psu.edu/artshumanities/audio/digmuslib.html">Digital Music Library</a>? Fields of study that could be positively affected are :<a href="http://clue.psu.edu/courses/a.html">acoustics</a>, <a href="http://clue.psu.edu/courses/c.html">communications</a> and <a href="http://www.ist.psu.edu/faculty_pages/santoro/250sp01/">New Media on the Web</a>, at first blush.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s at least as worthy as <a href="https://portal.psu.edu/">cable TV</a>.</p>
<p>Additionally, calling it &#8216;free&#8217;, while untrue, is no more an affront than calling newspapers, library usage, or intramural sports programs &#8216;free&#8217;, and&nbsp;no more of an afront.</p>
<p>On supporting &#8216;For-Profits&#8217;, I defy you to find a single university that doesn&#8217;t support them in one way or another. Whether it&#8217;s inclusion of cable or mandatory meal plans (served by Marriot), or outsourced&nbsp;facilities maintenance&nbsp;you&#8217;re gonna find privitization paid for in part by public funds.</p>
<p>If the question is &#8220;why Napster&#8221; over some BMG/Sony program, I reply &#8220;what&#8217;s that difference?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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Adam,

I think you&#039;re missing my main point.  My point is: why are the colleges forcing this on the students?  Moreover, why is it the college&#039;s role to do this? It&#039;s one thing when they give &quot;free&quot; newspaper and magazine access, because there&#039;s a nexus between that and academic research.  That&#039;s not the case with PSU/Napster.    This does not forward the university&#039;s mission.  Moreover, by calling it a free service, they are actively deceiving students and the public. Why are the colleges spinning this, like, say, a for-profit entertainment company?</description>
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<p>Adam,</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re missing my main point.  My point is: why are the colleges forcing this on the students?  Moreover, why is it the college&#8217;s role to do this? It&#8217;s one thing when they give &#8220;free&#8221; newspaper and magazine access, because there&#8217;s a nexus between that and academic research.  That&#8217;s not the case with PSU/Napster.    This does not forward the university&#8217;s mission.  Moreover, by calling it a free service, they are actively deceiving students and the public. Why are the colleges spinning this, like, say, a for-profit entertainment company?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2003 22:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Two comments:
1. I think this might be a step in the right direction, despite the pitfalls of the current DRM limitations on use. Consider the precedent set - &#039;blanket&#039; usage; once the standard, pay-per-song will cease to be the dominant economic model. 

We are in a way one step closer to the celestial jukebox.

2. There are still hurdles. &lt;a href=&quot;http://rss.com.com/2100-1027_3-5099002.html?tag=st_rn&quot;&gt;Comments&lt;/a&gt; like: 
&quot;A few echoes of the old anarchic Napster reverberated here and there. One poster explained how to record streams from the service and save them as MP3s without any copy protection. Downloads through the service are wrapped in Microsoft&#039;s digital rights management software, which limits how many times they can be copied to other computers and what kinds of mobile music players can read them. 

But other listeners immediately criticized the free-music lover, asking why anyone would pay to pirate.&quot;

Obviously there is confusion over what rights an individual acquires AFTER purchasing the music. I think it will eventually pan out and subscribers will be endowed with the right to convert the purchased music into any format they find convenient*.

*As long as we continue to fight for these rights

Overall I like the prospect of the legitimation of online music usage with
(a) Reasonable Price
(b) Unlimited Songs</description>
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<p>Two comments:<br />
1. I think this might be a step in the right direction, despite the pitfalls of the current DRM limitations on use. Consider the precedent set &#8211; &#8216;blanket&#8217; usage; once the standard, pay-per-song will cease to be the dominant economic model. </p>
<p>We are in a way one step closer to the celestial jukebox.</p>
<p>2. There are still hurdles. <a href="http://rss.com.com/2100-1027_3-5099002.html?tag=st_rn">Comments</a> like:<br />
&#8220;A few echoes of the old anarchic Napster reverberated here and there. One poster explained how to record streams from the service and save them as MP3s without any copy protection. Downloads through the service are wrapped in Microsoft&#8217;s digital rights management software, which limits how many times they can be copied to other computers and what kinds of mobile music players can read them. </p>
<p>But other listeners immediately criticized the free-music lover, asking why anyone would pay to pirate.&#8221;</p>
<p>Obviously there is confusion over what rights an individual acquires AFTER purchasing the music. I think it will eventually pan out and subscribers will be endowed with the right to convert the purchased music into any format they find convenient*.</p>
<p>*As long as we continue to fight for these rights</p>
<p>Overall I like the prospect of the legitimation of online music usage with<br />
(a) Reasonable Price<br />
(b) Unlimited Songs</p>
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