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	<title>Comments on: Ongo Bongo&#8217;s CD Rental Service and First Sale</title>
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	<description>by Derek Slater</description>
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		<title>By: BB</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/cmusings/2004/09/26/ongo-bongos-cd-rental-service-and-first-sale/comment-page-1/#comment-3922</link>
		<dc:creator>BB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2005 02:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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Want a way around this?  Just charge a restocking fee, and you&#039;re golden.</description>
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<p>Want a way around this?  Just charge a restocking fee, and you&#8217;re golden.</p>
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		<title>By: Damon Lawner</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/cmusings/2004/09/26/ongo-bongos-cd-rental-service-and-first-sale/comment-page-1/#comment-4605</link>
		<dc:creator>Damon Lawner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2004 06:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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damonlawner@earthlink.net</description>
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<p><a href="mailto:damonlawner@earthlink.net">damonlawner@earthlink.net</a></p>
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		<title>By: Damon Lawner</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/cmusings/2004/09/26/ongo-bongos-cd-rental-service-and-first-sale/comment-page-1/#comment-4604</link>
		<dc:creator>Damon Lawner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2004 06:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

if anyone can come up with a way around this, I will pay a very nice fee for your genius. please contact me by e-mail.</description>
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<p>if anyone can come up with a way around this, I will pay a very nice fee for your genius. please contact me by e-mail.</p>
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		<title>By: adamthomas</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/cmusings/2004/09/26/ongo-bongos-cd-rental-service-and-first-sale/comment-page-1/#comment-4586</link>
		<dc:creator>adamthomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

In their &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ongobongo.us/&quot;&gt; terms &lt;/a&gt; they say:
Credit Card Billing &#x2013; Lost/&lt;i&gt;Unreturned&lt;/i&gt;/Damaged CDs
You agree to allow us to charge your credit card for the listed purchase price of a CD in the following situations:
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<p>In their <a href="http://www.ongobongo.us/"> terms </a> they say:<br />
Credit Card Billing &#x2013; Lost/<i>Unreturned</i>/Damaged CDs<br />
You agree to allow us to charge your credit card for the listed purchase price of a CD in the following situations:</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Rosenstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Rosenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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A careful reading of their FAQ suggests that Ongo Bongo&#039;s position is that they are selling used CDs, with a very liberal return policy.  It also sounds like anyone can buy a used CD from their website, but only members get the benefit of unlimited returns.</description>
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<p>A careful reading of their FAQ suggests that Ongo Bongo&#8217;s position is that they are selling used CDs, with a very liberal return policy.  It also sounds like anyone can buy a used CD from their website, but only members get the benefit of unlimited returns.</p>
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		<title>By: adamthomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>adamthomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2004 02:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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Record and software rentals have been exceptions to the First Sale Doctrine (FSD)since 1984 and 1990 respectively, but I think you have it right when you say FSD is the exception.

Kamarck &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rmslaw.com/articles/art65.htm&quot;&gt; argued&lt;/a&gt; that the FSD&#039;s time was coming back in an article way back in 1997. His theory was based on (1) the additions of soundtracks to DVDs and (2) the probable future prevalance of copying technologies. He stated, &quot;Under Gatt, the United States must abolish the First Sale Doctrine for &#039;cinematic works&#039; if there is evidence of widespread consumer copying*.&quot; (above article). 

Under that theory, ironically, suppression of DeCSS and DVDXCopy would have saved FSD (much to RIAA/MPAA chagrin).

Personally, I think it&#039;s a matter of consumer knowledge/custom. Now that consumers are used to the idea of NetFlix and Blockbuster Game rentals, OngoBongo might have a fighting chance if they can get past the inevitably forthcoming injunction (OR unless their backers get wise to the Record Rental Amend. of 1984 and pull funding first).

*on the GATT theory: TRIPS Article 11 allows studios to stop Blockbuster to stop renting a movie if suffiecient copying by consumers is demonstrated. This will never happen. Why? studios sell more DVD&#039;s when a movie is exposed via rental. This &quot;should&quot; demonstrate that renting is good for business. However, I guess MPAA would argue this is only true because their suppression of duplication technologies is working, and duplication methods for CDs are already widespread.</description>
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<p>Record and software rentals have been exceptions to the First Sale Doctrine (FSD)since 1984 and 1990 respectively, but I think you have it right when you say FSD is the exception.</p>
<p>Kamarck <a href="http://www.rmslaw.com/articles/art65.htm"> argued</a> that the FSD&#8217;s time was coming back in an article way back in 1997. His theory was based on (1) the additions of soundtracks to DVDs and (2) the probable future prevalance of copying technologies. He stated, &#8220;Under Gatt, the United States must abolish the First Sale Doctrine for &#8216;cinematic works&#8217; if there is evidence of widespread consumer copying*.&#8221; (above article). </p>
<p>Under that theory, ironically, suppression of DeCSS and DVDXCopy would have saved FSD (much to RIAA/MPAA chagrin).</p>
<p>Personally, I think it&#8217;s a matter of consumer knowledge/custom. Now that consumers are used to the idea of NetFlix and Blockbuster Game rentals, OngoBongo might have a fighting chance if they can get past the inevitably forthcoming injunction (OR unless their backers get wise to the Record Rental Amend. of 1984 and pull funding first).</p>
<p>*on the GATT theory: TRIPS Article 11 allows studios to stop Blockbuster to stop renting a movie if suffiecient copying by consumers is demonstrated. This will never happen. Why? studios sell more DVD&#8217;s when a movie is exposed via rental. This &#8220;should&#8221; demonstrate that renting is good for business. However, I guess MPAA would argue this is only true because their suppression of duplication technologies is working, and duplication methods for CDs are already widespread.</p>
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