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	<title>Comments on: That Was Sarcasm, Right?</title>
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	<description>by Derek Slater</description>
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		<title>By: Crosbie Fitch</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/cmusings/2005/08/12/that-was-sarcasm-right/comment-page-1/#comment-4022</link>
		<dc:creator>Crosbie Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2005 16:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

They don&#039;t even need to make a single copy, they can simply digest the book and build a concordance out of it.</description>
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<p>They don&#8217;t even need to make a single copy, they can simply digest the book and build a concordance out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Morman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/cmusings/2005/08/12/that-was-sarcasm-right/comment-page-1/#comment-4021</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Morman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2005 22:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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&quot;Sure, they&#039;re copying the entire book, but they&#039;re only providing small selections.&quot;

Derek, why does Google need to copy the entire work if they&#039;re only intending to &quot;display a few pages from those books&quot;? I think you need to at least address that one.</description>
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<p>&#8220;Sure, they&#8217;re copying the entire book, but they&#8217;re only providing small selections.&#8221;</p>
<p>Derek, why does Google need to copy the entire work if they&#8217;re only intending to &#8220;display a few pages from those books&#8221;? I think you need to at least address that one.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt B</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/cmusings/2005/08/12/that-was-sarcasm-right/comment-page-1/#comment-4020</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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Hey, thanks for the clear insight Siva.  There is too much fanboyism of google these days clouding peoples perceptions.  I hope your restraint applies to other EFF viewpoints, I think they often overstep the bounds of what needs to be protected.  Keep the copyfight strong!</description>
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<p>Hey, thanks for the clear insight Siva.  There is too much fanboyism of google these days clouding peoples perceptions.  I hope your restraint applies to other EFF viewpoints, I think they often overstep the bounds of what needs to be protected.  Keep the copyfight strong!</p>
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		<title>By: Siva Vaidhyanathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Siva Vaidhyanathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2005 13:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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Derek:

I posted more at: 

http://www.nyu.edu/classes/siva/archives/001849.html

Thanks!

Siva</description>
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<p>Derek:</p>
<p>I posted more at: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nyu.edu/classes/siva/archives/001849.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nyu.edu/classes/siva/archives/001849.html</a></p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>Siva</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Norwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Norwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2005 01:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

I was also puzzled after reading Siva&#039;s post. The case law doesn&#039;t stress the non-commercial fair use factor nearly as much as his post implies; I don&#039;t understand why he thinks there&#039;s such a significant distinction between Google doing this and a library providing the same service. I also don&#039;t understand his ethical position.</description>
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<p>I was also puzzled after reading Siva&#8217;s post. The case law doesn&#8217;t stress the non-commercial fair use factor nearly as much as his post implies; I don&#8217;t understand why he thinks there&#8217;s such a significant distinction between Google doing this and a library providing the same service. I also don&#8217;t understand his ethical position.</p>
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		<title>By: Lazlo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lazlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2005 23:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

If Google were going to libraries and making physical photocopies of every book in the place rather than digital scans, I think the arguments against Google Print would be a little more obvious.  Even if they immediately took the photocopies and buried them in an abandoned salt mine, those copies would still be unauthorized by the copyright holder.  I&#039;m not aware of any interpretation of &quot;fair use&quot; that would allow copying on this scale even if they owned legal copies of the originals, which in this case they clearly don&#039;t.  Add the fact that they&#039;ll be creating works (indexes and excerpts) derived directly from these copies and offering these works to others for commercial gain and I don&#039;t see how anyone can seriously argue against the idea that the entire enterprise violates well-established copyright law on a grand scale.

Whether this *should* be illegal is certainly worth discussing.  But I don&#039;t see much wiggle room around whether or not it *is* illegal.  If you need the copyright holders&#039; permission to sample a single drum loop, you sure as hell need it to &quot;sample&quot; an entire library!</description>
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<p>If Google were going to libraries and making physical photocopies of every book in the place rather than digital scans, I think the arguments against Google Print would be a little more obvious.  Even if they immediately took the photocopies and buried them in an abandoned salt mine, those copies would still be unauthorized by the copyright holder.  I&#8217;m not aware of any interpretation of &#8220;fair use&#8221; that would allow copying on this scale even if they owned legal copies of the originals, which in this case they clearly don&#8217;t.  Add the fact that they&#8217;ll be creating works (indexes and excerpts) derived directly from these copies and offering these works to others for commercial gain and I don&#8217;t see how anyone can seriously argue against the idea that the entire enterprise violates well-established copyright law on a grand scale.</p>
<p>Whether this *should* be illegal is certainly worth discussing.  But I don&#8217;t see much wiggle room around whether or not it *is* illegal.  If you need the copyright holders&#8217; permission to sample a single drum loop, you sure as hell need it to &#8220;sample&#8221; an entire library!</p>
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