Comments on: The Digital Native Divide http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/digitalnatives/2008/01/04/the-digital-native-divide/ Berkman investigators, fellows, research assistants and interns sound off about all things Digital Natives Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:02:42 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Technology and Generalizations of the Generations « Practicum Blog http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/digitalnatives/2008/01/04/the-digital-native-divide/comment-page-1/#comment-78 Technology and Generalizations of the Generations « Practicum Blog Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:07:02 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/digitalnatives/2008/01/04/the-digital-native-divide/#comment-78 [...] like Jesse from the Digital Natives blog believe the native/immigrant terminology can be used to identify and to address the [...] [...] like Jesse from the Digital Natives blog believe the native/immigrant terminology can be used to identify and to address the [...]

]]> By: ICTconsequences » Blog Archive » Digital Natives and eHealth http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/digitalnatives/2008/01/04/the-digital-native-divide/comment-page-1/#comment-68 ICTconsequences » Blog Archive » Digital Natives and eHealth Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:25:08 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/digitalnatives/2008/01/04/the-digital-native-divide/#comment-68 [...] The importance of analyze the supply and the demand side, in this case digital natives as a heavy Internet users (demand) and the Internet as a tool to reach this audience, taking into account the possible digital divide. [...] [...] The importance of analyze the supply and the demand side, in this case digital natives as a heavy Internet users (demand) and the Internet as a tool to reach this audience, taking into account the possible digital divide. [...]

]]> By: Den digitala revolutionen » Blog Archive » Digitala infödingar och digitala immigranter som lever digitala liv http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/digitalnatives/2008/01/04/the-digital-native-divide/comment-page-1/#comment-65 Den digitala revolutionen » Blog Archive » Digitala infödingar och digitala immigranter som lever digitala liv Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:27:43 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/digitalnatives/2008/01/04/the-digital-native-divide/#comment-65 [...] Vem behöver anpassa sig? Hur kommer arbetsplaserna att se ut när dessa populationer möts? Jesse Baer belyser några av de frågeställningar kopplat till digitala klyftorna. Han refererar även till följande [...] [...] Vem behöver anpassa sig? Hur kommer arbetsplaserna att se ut när dessa populationer möts? Jesse Baer belyser några av de frågeställningar kopplat till digitala klyftorna. Han refererar även till följande [...]

]]> By: David Brake http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/digitalnatives/2008/01/04/the-digital-native-divide/comment-page-1/#comment-63 David Brake Tue, 08 Jan 2008 11:01:58 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/digitalnatives/2008/01/04/the-digital-native-divide/#comment-63 Henry points out that being a digital native (in the developed world) is likely to be about "access to defining skills and experiences" more than physical access. I would add "access to a school and/or home environment that is supportive of creative uses of digital technology". Before you can get the skills and then gain the experiences you have to have the aspirations... Jesse I am puzzled that having quoted people who see it's not about access to tech per se you then suggest the OLPC as a possible solution which is all about access! Henry points out that being a digital native (in the developed world) is likely to be about “access to defining skills and experiences” more than physical access. I would add “access to a school and/or home environment that is supportive of creative uses of digital technology”. Before you can get the skills and then gain the experiences you have to have the aspirations…

Jesse I am puzzled that having quoted people who see it’s not about access to tech per se you then suggest the OLPC as a possible solution which is all about access!

]]> By: Shane http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/digitalnatives/2008/01/04/the-digital-native-divide/comment-page-1/#comment-60 Shane Sat, 05 Jan 2008 21:27:56 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/digitalnatives/2008/01/04/the-digital-native-divide/#comment-60 Is there anything to this tired critique other than the usual sociological nitpicking that terms like "generation" aren't 100% predictive? I keep asking, keep hearing no compelling answer from S.V., apart from the same p.c. orthodoxy he spreads across every blog that says anything about "digital natives." All I know is that there are more fifteen year olds who are internet savvy than sixty year-olds. That's what people mean when they use the term "generation" in this context, a usage that is so obviously sensible that burden of proof fall squarely on the shoulders of people making grandiose pronouncements about how the term is imaginary. But maybe if S.V. keeps repeating himself often enough his fantasy will become reality. Is there anything to this tired critique other than the usual sociological nitpicking that terms like “generation” aren’t 100% predictive? I keep asking, keep hearing no compelling answer from S.V., apart from the same p.c. orthodoxy he spreads across every blog that says anything about “digital natives.”

All I know is that there are more fifteen year olds who are internet savvy than sixty year-olds. That’s what people mean when they use the term “generation” in this context, a usage that is so obviously sensible that burden of proof fall squarely on the shoulders of people making grandiose pronouncements about how the term is imaginary.

But maybe if S.V. keeps repeating himself often enough his fantasy will become reality.

]]> By: minh http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/digitalnatives/2008/01/04/the-digital-native-divide/comment-page-1/#comment-59 minh Sat, 05 Jan 2008 11:42:59 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/digitalnatives/2008/01/04/the-digital-native-divide/#comment-59 If we drop the age limit completely & identify digital natives by ................. mmmm willingness to experiment with technology ahhh interest in communicating interest in being communicated with is a recognition for the need for social activism a criteria? ecological sophistication? a well developed sense of the difference between opinion & information? ...................................? waddaya gunna say ?- no you aren't a digital native because you're (insert cut off age) If we drop the age limit completely & identify digital natives by ……………..
mmmm willingness to experiment with technology
ahhh interest in communicating
interest in being communicated with

is a recognition for the need for social activism a criteria?
ecological sophistication?
a well developed sense of the difference between opinion & information?

……………………………..?

waddaya gunna say ?- no you aren’t a digital native because you’re (insert cut off age)

]]> By: Ben Greenberg http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/digitalnatives/2008/01/04/the-digital-native-divide/comment-page-1/#comment-58 Ben Greenberg Sat, 05 Jan 2008 04:17:58 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/digitalnatives/2008/01/04/the-digital-native-divide/#comment-58 But maybe we should also expand where we look for the natives. I do suspect that low income teens, African American and Latino teens, teens who are undocumented immigrants--widely use cell phones and txt messaging and are probably also producing photos and video with their phones (content producers) and share said content via their phones and perhaps other means (social media). We can use "Digital Natives" to refer to a select set of digitally mediated experiences that we think are most important and interesting, or maybe we can think more broadly. But maybe we should also expand where we look for the natives. I do suspect that low income teens, African American and Latino teens, teens who are undocumented immigrants–widely use cell phones and txt messaging and are probably also producing photos and video with their phones (content producers) and share said content via their phones and perhaps other means (social media). We can use “Digital Natives” to refer to a select set of digitally mediated experiences that we think are most important and interesting, or maybe we can think more broadly.

]]> By: Anonymous http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/digitalnatives/2008/01/04/the-digital-native-divide/comment-page-1/#comment-56 Anonymous Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:13:00 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/digitalnatives/2008/01/04/the-digital-native-divide/#comment-56 Hi Jesse. Just to expand a clarify a bit: My problem is not just with the fact that policies and studies focusing on something called "digital natives" exhibit a bias toward the privileged and make the underprivileged invisible (when dealing with education and democracy this is a sin!). My larger problem is that there is no such thing as a generation. None. There is no sociological or statistical definition of a generation. There are no core or defining traits that exist beyond the colloquial. The idea of "baby boomers" makes no sense beyond the pure demographic fact that there were a lot of people born between (select arbitrary start date and arbitrary end date). That's all it means. This country -- let alone this world -- is too diverse to distill any shared or core experiences from that long a period (generally defined as 1946 to 1964). "Generation X" and "The Greatest Generation" are just book titles. And they are not even good books! If you don't believe me, ask President McGovern how much generations share. Hi Jesse.

Just to expand a clarify a bit: My problem is not just with the fact that policies and studies focusing on something called “digital natives” exhibit a bias toward the privileged and make the underprivileged invisible (when dealing with education and democracy this is a sin!).

My larger problem is that there is no such thing as a generation. None. There is no sociological or statistical definition of a generation. There are no core or defining traits that exist beyond the colloquial.

The idea of “baby boomers” makes no sense beyond the pure demographic fact that there were a lot of people born between (select arbitrary start date and arbitrary end date). That’s all it means. This country — let alone this world — is too diverse to distill any shared or core experiences from that long a period (generally defined as 1946 to 1964).

“Generation X” and “The Greatest Generation” are just book titles. And they are not even good books!

If you don’t believe me, ask President McGovern how much generations share.

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