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	<title>Comments on: Maybe they should call it ButtBook</title>
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		<title>By: Roland Hulme</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/09/06/maybe-they-should-call-it-buttbook/comment-page-1/#comment-1742</link>
		<dc:creator>Roland Hulme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 16:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What utter bollocks. The whole point of Facebook is to expose yourself - to friends, family and people you haven&#039;t seen for years. If you put up a profile on Facebook or Myspace it&#039;s reasonably implied that you are putting your information OUT THERE for people to find.

Besides, Facebook is pretty neat on keeping all but your most basic details hidden until your request to be and are approved as somebody&#039;s friend.

Hey, Buddy. If you don&#039;t want your name on search engines - DON&#039;T HAVE A PROFILE. Certainly don&#039;t keep a blog. Us bloggers are all disgusting self publicists.

I think you&#039;re just kicking up a fuss where none is to be found for the sake of it. Having &#039;google-stalked&#039; plenty of ex girlfriends / friends / bosses etc. in past, I can say with certainty that you can keep your web-profile down to a minimum if you so choose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What utter bollocks. The whole point of Facebook is to expose yourself &#8211; to friends, family and people you haven&#8217;t seen for years. If you put up a profile on Facebook or Myspace it&#8217;s reasonably implied that you are putting your information OUT THERE for people to find.</p>
<p>Besides, Facebook is pretty neat on keeping all but your most basic details hidden until your request to be and are approved as somebody&#8217;s friend.</p>
<p>Hey, Buddy. If you don&#8217;t want your name on search engines &#8211; DON&#8217;T HAVE A PROFILE. Certainly don&#8217;t keep a blog. Us bloggers are all disgusting self publicists.</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re just kicking up a fuss where none is to be found for the sake of it. Having &#8216;google-stalked&#8217; plenty of ex girlfriends / friends / bosses etc. in past, I can say with certainty that you can keep your web-profile down to a minimum if you so choose.</p>
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		<title>By: Facebook is becoming like my puppy&#8230; at Girls with Macs</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/09/06/maybe-they-should-call-it-buttbook/comment-page-1/#comment-1399</link>
		<dc:creator>Facebook is becoming like my puppy&#8230; at Girls with Macs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by now) is that Facebook is opening its doors to search engines like Google, MSN, and Yahoo. As Doc Searls says, your &#8220;butt&#8221; will now be ONLINE instead of the safe walled garden of a ginormous [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] by now) is that Facebook is opening its doors to search engines like Google, MSN, and Yahoo. As Doc Searls says, your &#8220;butt&#8221; will now be ONLINE instead of the safe walled garden of a ginormous [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/09/06/maybe-they-should-call-it-buttbook/comment-page-1/#comment-1301</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Searls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 21:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a good dialog in the comments of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/mtarchive/facebook_exposes_its_members.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;David Weinberger&#039;s post here&lt;/a&gt; between David and Gene Koo, with a link to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2007/09/06/confused_by_fac.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Danah Boyd&#039;s post&lt;/a&gt; on the same matter. Those three are all Berkman fellowren, for what it&#039;s worth. If what Alan Herrell says above is true (and I think it is), the Quechup spam that&#039;s currently littering my mailbox, and those of countless others, was harvested from my public address book at FaceBook. As they say in Cackalacky, that ain&#039;t right.

The choice to be a &quot;public self&quot; on the Net ought not be a binary one defaulted for exposure. The default should be anonymity, with selective disclosure of identity-related data. I believe this is also where David and I agree.

If I get a break from other obligations, I&#039;ll post more on this later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a good dialog in the comments of <a href="http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/mtarchive/facebook_exposes_its_members.html" rel="nofollow">David Weinberger&#8217;s post here</a> between David and Gene Koo, with a link to <a href="http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2007/09/06/confused_by_fac.html" rel="nofollow">Danah Boyd&#8217;s post</a> on the same matter. Those three are all Berkman fellowren, for what it&#8217;s worth. If what Alan Herrell says above is true (and I think it is), the Quechup spam that&#8217;s currently littering my mailbox, and those of countless others, was harvested from my public address book at FaceBook. As they say in Cackalacky, that ain&#8217;t right.</p>
<p>The choice to be a &#8220;public self&#8221; on the Net ought not be a binary one defaulted for exposure. The default should be anonymity, with selective disclosure of identity-related data. I believe this is also where David and I agree.</p>
<p>If I get a break from other obligations, I&#8217;ll post more on this later.</p>
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		<title>By: alan herrell - the head lemur</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/09/06/maybe-they-should-call-it-buttbook/comment-page-1/#comment-1284</link>
		<dc:creator>alan herrell - the head lemur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A related note
Quechup The Clap of FaceBook
http://www.ravinglunacy.org/index.php/2007/09/05/quechup-the-clap-of-facebook/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A related note<br />
Quechup The Clap of FaceBook<br />
<a href="http://www.ravinglunacy.org/index.php/2007/09/05/quechup-the-clap-of-facebook/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ravinglunacy.org/index.php/2007/09/05/quechup-the-clap-of-facebook/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Isabel Hilborn</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/09/06/maybe-they-should-call-it-buttbook/comment-page-1/#comment-1236</link>
		<dc:creator>Isabel Hilborn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 18:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doc, I may be missing something but, as a privacy advocate (and universal identity advocate) myself, I&#039;m not sure I agree with your conclusions.  First of all, I&#039;m not sure anyone still believes that the information they post on  Facebook _won&#039;t_ someday be available to their mom or future employer.  And if they do think so, well, aren&#039;t they a little naive?  

When will people learn that security through obscurity is not really security?  If people don&#039;t want their birthday and favorite books publicly available on the web, they can do what I did - don&#039;t post them on facebook.  Pick and choose which Facebook applications you install and groups you join, knowing that others will be able to see your choices.  Learn to differentiate junk mail from real mail.  I guess I would say that media literacy is the responsibility of the user.  And anonymity in online communities can lead to as much abuse as exposed identity, if not more.

As for exposing what large-scale social networking memberships people have - I&#039;d honestly prefer this to be public.  If you want to be part of a private Facebook group, you can, by the way -- I&#039;ll invite you to join mine and nobody except the members will know you&#039;re in it.  What the web has done by letting everyone join the conversation is make everybody into a mini-celebrity.  That comes with the good - we have larger audiences for our antics - and the bad - there&#039;s more publicly available information about us and our opinions.

I believe one&#039;s web self is a public self.  Those who don&#039;t like it don&#039;t have to participate at all; they can participate anonymously where permitted; or they can identify themselves in smaller, more exclusive subsets of social networks that are specifically designed to meet their privacy needs.  Sounds like a great market opportunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc, I may be missing something but, as a privacy advocate (and universal identity advocate) myself, I&#8217;m not sure I agree with your conclusions.  First of all, I&#8217;m not sure anyone still believes that the information they post on  Facebook _won&#8217;t_ someday be available to their mom or future employer.  And if they do think so, well, aren&#8217;t they a little naive?  </p>
<p>When will people learn that security through obscurity is not really security?  If people don&#8217;t want their birthday and favorite books publicly available on the web, they can do what I did &#8211; don&#8217;t post them on facebook.  Pick and choose which Facebook applications you install and groups you join, knowing that others will be able to see your choices.  Learn to differentiate junk mail from real mail.  I guess I would say that media literacy is the responsibility of the user.  And anonymity in online communities can lead to as much abuse as exposed identity, if not more.</p>
<p>As for exposing what large-scale social networking memberships people have &#8211; I&#8217;d honestly prefer this to be public.  If you want to be part of a private Facebook group, you can, by the way &#8212; I&#8217;ll invite you to join mine and nobody except the members will know you&#8217;re in it.  What the web has done by letting everyone join the conversation is make everybody into a mini-celebrity.  That comes with the good &#8211; we have larger audiences for our antics &#8211; and the bad &#8211; there&#8217;s more publicly available information about us and our opinions.</p>
<p>I believe one&#8217;s web self is a public self.  Those who don&#8217;t like it don&#8217;t have to participate at all; they can participate anonymously where permitted; or they can identify themselves in smaller, more exclusive subsets of social networks that are specifically designed to meet their privacy needs.  Sounds like a great market opportunity.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Meade</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/09/06/maybe-they-should-call-it-buttbook/comment-page-1/#comment-1206</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Meade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points, Doc.  I&#039;m going to deactivate my Facebook account right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, Doc.  I&#8217;m going to deactivate my Facebook account right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Pie and Coffee &#187; Items</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/09/06/maybe-they-should-call-it-buttbook/comment-page-1/#comment-1196</link>
		<dc:creator>Pie and Coffee &#187; Items</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 04:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Maybe they should call it ButtBook: &#8220;What we call &#8216;online social networks&#8217; mostly are not. They are private walled gardens that exist for reasons that are far more commercial than social. We need to remember that.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Maybe they should call it ButtBook: &#8220;What we call &#8216;online social networks&#8217; mostly are not. They are private walled gardens that exist for reasons that are far more commercial than social. We need to remember that.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Garfunkel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/09/06/maybe-they-should-call-it-buttbook/comment-page-1/#comment-1190</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Garfunkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 02:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just dusted off the ol&#039; manifesto...

#18: &quot;Companies that don&#039;t realize their markets are now networked person-to-person, getting smarter as a result and deeply joined in conversation are missing their best opportunity.&quot;

#63: &quot;De-cloaking, getting personal: We are those markets. We want to talk to you.&quot;

#93: &quot;We&#039;re both inside companies and outside them. The boundaries that separate our conversations look like the Berlin Wall today, but they&#039;re really just an annoyance. We know they&#039;re coming down. We&#039;re going to work from both sides to take them down.&quot;

Hey, I&#039;m a cynic/critic about a lot of things. I&#039;ve spent as much time as anyone over the last few months trying to design a way for ordinary folks-- especially those who don&#039;t have online profiles-- report anonymous harassers online. That initiative got barely a percent of the attention that Facebook is getting now.

Facebook is fun. By virtue of its named identities, it&#039;s a lot of fun and there&#039;s none of the trolling and manipulation of the blogosphere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just dusted off the ol&#8217; manifesto&#8230;</p>
<p>#18: &#8220;Companies that don&#8217;t realize their markets are now networked person-to-person, getting smarter as a result and deeply joined in conversation are missing their best opportunity.&#8221;</p>
<p>#63: &#8220;De-cloaking, getting personal: We are those markets. We want to talk to you.&#8221;</p>
<p>#93: &#8220;We&#8217;re both inside companies and outside them. The boundaries that separate our conversations look like the Berlin Wall today, but they&#8217;re really just an annoyance. We know they&#8217;re coming down. We&#8217;re going to work from both sides to take them down.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hey, I&#8217;m a cynic/critic about a lot of things. I&#8217;ve spent as much time as anyone over the last few months trying to design a way for ordinary folks&#8211; especially those who don&#8217;t have online profiles&#8211; report anonymous harassers online. That initiative got barely a percent of the attention that Facebook is getting now.</p>
<p>Facebook is fun. By virtue of its named identities, it&#8217;s a lot of fun and there&#8217;s none of the trolling and manipulation of the blogosphere.</p>
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