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		<title>By: SEO Matters at Online Payment Dubai UAE &#124; Mobile Payment Abu Dhabi Dubai UAE United Arab Emirates</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/09/13/more-blog-less-rolling/comment-page-1/#comment-199183</link>
		<dc:creator>SEO Matters at Online Payment Dubai UAE &#124; Mobile Payment Abu Dhabi Dubai UAE United Arab Emirates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] More blog, less roll &#8211; With apologies to those whose juice (or whatever) may be reduced by it, I’ve deep-sixed the blogroll. As a move this was long overdue. The ‘roll on my old blog had grown longer than Dumbledore’s beard, and was just as antique. &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] More blog, less roll &#8211; With apologies to those whose juice (or whatever) may be reduced by it, I’ve deep-sixed the blogroll. As a move this was long overdue. The ‘roll on my old blog had grown longer than Dumbledore’s beard, and was just as antique. &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 10 tools from 2005 that tapped the power of blogs - where are they now? &#124; Social Signal</title>
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		<dc:creator>10 tools from 2005 that tapped the power of blogs - where are they now? &#124; Social Signal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Doc Searls declared them dead in 2007, calling it &quot;a stale relic of blogging&#039;s origins in the Static Web era.&quot; More recently, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Doc Searls declared them dead in 2007, calling it &#8220;a stale relic of blogging&#8217;s origins in the Static Web era.&#8221; More recently, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Death of the Blogroll? &#124; Search Engine Marketing</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/09/13/more-blog-less-rolling/comment-page-1/#comment-121487</link>
		<dc:creator>Death of the Blogroll? &#124; Search Engine Marketing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] with coining the term &quot;blogroll,&quot; seems to have discontinued his blogroll in 2007. See his post, &quot;More Blog, Less Roll&quot; for more. In part, he wrote: &quot;Blogrolling itself looks like advertising, gatekeeping, or both. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] with coining the term &#8220;blogroll,&#8221; seems to have discontinued his blogroll in 2007. See his post, &#8220;More Blog, Less Roll&#8221; for more. In part, he wrote: &#8220;Blogrolling itself looks like advertising, gatekeeping, or both. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fred333</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/09/13/more-blog-less-rolling/comment-page-1/#comment-18198</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred333</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love using blogrolls. As reader it helps me to find other related sites or blogs to read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love using blogrolls. As reader it helps me to find other related sites or blogs to read.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Wolff</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/09/13/more-blog-less-rolling/comment-page-1/#comment-2253</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Wolff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 05:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, this goes back to design goals. 

Why do people read your blog? More specifically, why do people come to your blog page vs. reading your posts in a feed reader? 

Conversely, why do you blog? Design should support your goals. 

Are you building your &quot;personal brand&quot;? (I apologize for the b-word.) Perhaps more bio info for all the newbies who visit your site from search engines. If you&#039;re like everyone else, that&#039;s going to be more than half your traffic. Also, if this is your &quot;home page,&quot; you might make it easy to discover where else you live and interact on the net. 

Effectively propagate memes of your choosing? Add sharing/repurposing tools. List a few of your favorite posts on themes you&#039;re promoting. 

Supporting your own memory? Maybe this-time-last-year links or related links from your archives. 

Are you trying to promote your accessibility to your stakeholders at Harvard and potential clients? Maybe a more prominent contact-me form right on the home page. Post your public calendar (I export an excerpt of mine from Google). 

*** 

Blogrolling is a vestige of when we handwrote the models of our social networks, at least the part that was on our blogs. There was also an element of reciprocity; hey, I&#039;m on their blogroll, isn&#039;t it polite to respond in kind? But we&#039;re past that now, we&#039;re in Weinberger&#039;s &quot;I no longer read your blog&quot; era. 

Assuming you still think a blogroll supports your design goals, how can we improve blogrolling? 

Automation and integration. If you want to publish your buddy list, you probably have better tools to maintain your list (Outlook? AIM? Facebook? Your mobile phone&#039;s address book?). Why maintain a separate list for your blog? 

Prioritization. Not all links are equal. The value of a Doc Searls blogroll lies in its selectivity. These are the five blogs I read every day. These are the 12 people I trust implicitly. These four people are on my team and work with me. 

Show more than a name. Blogroll as mini-aggregator? As long as you have a link to their blog, you could do what techmeme does with sponsored blogs, showing the latest title and the first sentence or two from those blogs. Again, selectivity rules.  

Thanks for raising the subject. I&#039;ve needed to think this through for a long time for my own blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, this goes back to design goals. </p>
<p>Why do people read your blog? More specifically, why do people come to your blog page vs. reading your posts in a feed reader? </p>
<p>Conversely, why do you blog? Design should support your goals. </p>
<p>Are you building your &#8220;personal brand&#8221;? (I apologize for the b-word.) Perhaps more bio info for all the newbies who visit your site from search engines. If you&#8217;re like everyone else, that&#8217;s going to be more than half your traffic. Also, if this is your &#8220;home page,&#8221; you might make it easy to discover where else you live and interact on the net. </p>
<p>Effectively propagate memes of your choosing? Add sharing/repurposing tools. List a few of your favorite posts on themes you&#8217;re promoting. </p>
<p>Supporting your own memory? Maybe this-time-last-year links or related links from your archives. </p>
<p>Are you trying to promote your accessibility to your stakeholders at Harvard and potential clients? Maybe a more prominent contact-me form right on the home page. Post your public calendar (I export an excerpt of mine from Google). </p>
<p>*** </p>
<p>Blogrolling is a vestige of when we handwrote the models of our social networks, at least the part that was on our blogs. There was also an element of reciprocity; hey, I&#8217;m on their blogroll, isn&#8217;t it polite to respond in kind? But we&#8217;re past that now, we&#8217;re in Weinberger&#8217;s &#8220;I no longer read your blog&#8221; era. </p>
<p>Assuming you still think a blogroll supports your design goals, how can we improve blogrolling? </p>
<p>Automation and integration. If you want to publish your buddy list, you probably have better tools to maintain your list (Outlook? AIM? Facebook? Your mobile phone&#8217;s address book?). Why maintain a separate list for your blog? </p>
<p>Prioritization. Not all links are equal. The value of a Doc Searls blogroll lies in its selectivity. These are the five blogs I read every day. These are the 12 people I trust implicitly. These four people are on my team and work with me. </p>
<p>Show more than a name. Blogroll as mini-aggregator? As long as you have a link to their blog, you could do what techmeme does with sponsored blogs, showing the latest title and the first sentence or two from those blogs. Again, selectivity rules.  </p>
<p>Thanks for raising the subject. I&#8217;ve needed to think this through for a long time for my own blogs.</p>
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		<title>By: sbpoet</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/09/13/more-blog-less-rolling/comment-page-1/#comment-2174</link>
		<dc:creator>sbpoet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 02:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;One of the things I like about blogging is that, at its best, it’s not about stickiness or trapping eyeballs.&quot;

&amp; this is part of my resistance to advice to take everything off my (yes, I know, excessive) sidebar, because &quot;it distracts from your content&quot; -- 

some of it *is* my content, and I *want* to send you elsewhere, to other blogs, to other interesting places.

That balance between creative &#039;this is what I like&#039; expression and loading time is an ongoing struggle for me. 

BTW, I came here from jeanene&#039;s blog -- and I&#039;m a bit embarrassed to admit -- I&#039;ve never been here before...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One of the things I like about blogging is that, at its best, it’s not about stickiness or trapping eyeballs.&#8221;</p>
<p>&amp; this is part of my resistance to advice to take everything off my (yes, I know, excessive) sidebar, because &#8220;it distracts from your content&#8221; &#8212; </p>
<p>some of it *is* my content, and I *want* to send you elsewhere, to other blogs, to other interesting places.</p>
<p>That balance between creative &#8216;this is what I like&#8217; expression and loading time is an ongoing struggle for me. </p>
<p>BTW, I came here from jeanene&#8217;s blog &#8212; and I&#8217;m a bit embarrassed to admit &#8212; I&#8217;ve never been here before&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jeneane</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/09/13/more-blog-less-rolling/comment-page-1/#comment-1999</link>
		<dc:creator>jeneane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I have nothing against blogrolls; it’s the context of a link that matters. I have seen some blogrolls that are categorized… that seems like a good, simple way to have a blogroll and still CYA if readers perceive blogrolls more meaningful than the author intends.

Everyday Reads/Recommended:

Occasional/Recommended:

Interesting-But-Not-An-Endorsement:
etc…&lt;/i&gt;

That would be nice if every person on my blogroll posted about the same thing all the time, always stayed in what I determined to be &#039;their character&#039;, never fell off or on the wagon, never got utterly pissed at another blogger, and remained garden-variety predictable over years or decades. 

But interesting human beings aren&#039;t predictable. For better and for worse. And bloggers double-aren&#039;t predictable. No lexicon or qualifications of what I expect from them via hyperlinks can make them so. God bless us all.

Ditto on the objectivity thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I have nothing against blogrolls; it’s the context of a link that matters. I have seen some blogrolls that are categorized… that seems like a good, simple way to have a blogroll and still CYA if readers perceive blogrolls more meaningful than the author intends.</p>
<p>Everyday Reads/Recommended:</p>
<p>Occasional/Recommended:</p>
<p>Interesting-But-Not-An-Endorsement:<br />
etc…</i></p>
<p>That would be nice if every person on my blogroll posted about the same thing all the time, always stayed in what I determined to be &#8216;their character&#8217;, never fell off or on the wagon, never got utterly pissed at another blogger, and remained garden-variety predictable over years or decades. </p>
<p>But interesting human beings aren&#8217;t predictable. For better and for worse. And bloggers double-aren&#8217;t predictable. No lexicon or qualifications of what I expect from them via hyperlinks can make them so. God bless us all.</p>
<p>Ditto on the objectivity thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/09/13/more-blog-less-rolling/comment-page-1/#comment-1838</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Searls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do have regrets about not relaying visits to other bloggers. One of the things I like about blogging is that, at its best, it&#039;s not about stickiness or trapping eyeballs.

I kept the blogroll at the old blog because it was something of a charming relic. I thought about deleting it or moving it elsewhere, but left it there because it was more like architecture than furniture.

Here in the new blog, with the flexibility that Wordpress affords, I have a lot more choice. Here the blogroll seems more like furniture. I think I can do something more &quot;live&quot; and interesting and, frankly, low-maintenance.

I like Jon&#039;s inbox idea. I like Shelley&#039;s idea about photos from a database rather than a widget that slows loading and serves as an ad for Flickr. (Though I do like Flickr and appreciate it a great deal.)

Anyway, thanks for all the ideas. Lot to chew on here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do have regrets about not relaying visits to other bloggers. One of the things I like about blogging is that, at its best, it&#8217;s not about stickiness or trapping eyeballs.</p>
<p>I kept the blogroll at the old blog because it was something of a charming relic. I thought about deleting it or moving it elsewhere, but left it there because it was more like architecture than furniture.</p>
<p>Here in the new blog, with the flexibility that Wordpress affords, I have a lot more choice. Here the blogroll seems more like furniture. I think I can do something more &#8220;live&#8221; and interesting and, frankly, low-maintenance.</p>
<p>I like Jon&#8217;s inbox idea. I like Shelley&#8217;s idea about photos from a database rather than a widget that slows loading and serves as an ad for Flickr. (Though I do like Flickr and appreciate it a great deal.)</p>
<p>Anyway, thanks for all the ideas. Lot to chew on here.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy Sierra</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/09/13/more-blog-less-rolling/comment-page-1/#comment-1830</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy Sierra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 03:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought Pat&#039;s suggestion was a good, simple one:

&quot;How about the last N links you posted - this would be a simple extract from your recent posts, like a constantly updating mini-blogroll.&quot;

And I also like Jon&#039;s &#039;public inbox&#039; idea, a lot.

I have nothing against blogrolls; it&#039;s the context of a link that matters. I have seen some blogrolls that are categorized... that seems like a good, simple way to have a blogroll and still CYA if readers perceive blogrolls more meaningful than the author intends.

Everyday Reads/Recommended:

Occasional/Recommended:

Interesting-But-Not-An-Endorsement:
etc...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Pat&#8217;s suggestion was a good, simple one:</p>
<p>&#8220;How about the last N links you posted &#8211; this would be a simple extract from your recent posts, like a constantly updating mini-blogroll.&#8221;</p>
<p>And I also like Jon&#8217;s &#8216;public inbox&#8217; idea, a lot.</p>
<p>I have nothing against blogrolls; it&#8217;s the context of a link that matters. I have seen some blogrolls that are categorized&#8230; that seems like a good, simple way to have a blogroll and still CYA if readers perceive blogrolls more meaningful than the author intends.</p>
<p>Everyday Reads/Recommended:</p>
<p>Occasional/Recommended:</p>
<p>Interesting-But-Not-An-Endorsement:<br />
etc&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/09/13/more-blog-less-rolling/comment-page-1/#comment-1798</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shelley, he may not have been asking for an opinion, but we can give one anyway :-).

Dean, there are currently 373 links on the front page of the old blog. That&#039;s a lot of links. While 0.27 % of the page&#039;s juice isn&#039;t zero, it&#039;s hardly a fatal loss. 

Technorati counts each blog only one for ranking purposes. And it&#039;s dying anyway (it&#039;s important not to confuse any particular manifestion of power-imbalance with the problem itself - specific examples come and go, but the issue remains).

I was on that blogroll (thanks). It sent me maybe one or two readers a day. Again, all readers gratefully accepted, but that&#039;s not going to make the difference between A-listery or not.

You have to use the &lt;em&gt;right&lt;/em&gt; metrics - it&#039;s a bad error to think that because you&#039;ve used bad metrics and so gotten a nonsensical answer, therefore, the whole idea of metrics is invalid.

By the way, I believe having your own domain automatically increases your hits and referrals, since many web-spiders are fed with the list of domains. It doesn&#039;t necessarily mean more &lt;em&gt;human&lt;/em&gt; readers, just more robots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shelley, he may not have been asking for an opinion, but we can give one anyway <img src='http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>Dean, there are currently 373 links on the front page of the old blog. That&#8217;s a lot of links. While 0.27 % of the page&#8217;s juice isn&#8217;t zero, it&#8217;s hardly a fatal loss. </p>
<p>Technorati counts each blog only one for ranking purposes. And it&#8217;s dying anyway (it&#8217;s important not to confuse any particular manifestion of power-imbalance with the problem itself &#8211; specific examples come and go, but the issue remains).</p>
<p>I was on that blogroll (thanks). It sent me maybe one or two readers a day. Again, all readers gratefully accepted, but that&#8217;s not going to make the difference between A-listery or not.</p>
<p>You have to use the <em>right</em> metrics &#8211; it&#8217;s a bad error to think that because you&#8217;ve used bad metrics and so gotten a nonsensical answer, therefore, the whole idea of metrics is invalid.</p>
<p>By the way, I believe having your own domain automatically increases your hits and referrals, since many web-spiders are fed with the list of domains. It doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean more <em>human</em> readers, just more robots.</p>
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