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	<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/25/time-to-write-our-own-rules/</link>
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		<title>By: Marc&#8217;s Voice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Best posts of 2nd half of 2007</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/25/time-to-write-our-own-rules/#comment-19673</link>
		<author>Marc&#8217;s Voice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Best posts of 2nd half of 2007</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 16:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/25/time-to-write-our-own-rules/#comment-19673</guid>
		<description>[...]  Replying to Doc Searls: “Time to write our own rules” [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;]  Replying to Doc Searls: “Time to write our own rules” [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: The End of Social Networks</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/25/time-to-write-our-own-rules/#comment-19340</link>
		<author>The End of Social Networks</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/25/time-to-write-our-own-rules/#comment-19340</guid>
		<description>[...] I just read Dave Winer advocating that we need to retain control over our feeds, and Doc Searls says that we should be making our own [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] I just read Dave Winer advocating that we need to retain control over our feeds, and Doc Searls says that we should be making our own [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Who owns your data? Who should own it? &#183; No Straight Lines</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/25/time-to-write-our-own-rules/#comment-17986</link>
		<author>Who owns your data? Who should own it? &#183; No Straight Lines</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/25/time-to-write-our-own-rules/#comment-17986</guid>
		<description>[...] reasons: I sure am with Doc Searls and Dave Winer on this one. I want control of my own data. And I want to write my own rules on how others may and may not use my [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] reasons: I sure am with Doc Searls and Dave Winer on this one. I want control of my own data. And I want to write my own rules on how others may and may not use my [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Answers Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-11-26</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/25/time-to-write-our-own-rules/#comment-17641</link>
		<author>Answers Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-11-26</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/25/time-to-write-our-own-rules/#comment-17641</guid>
		<description>[...] Time to indite our possess rules Doc sums up ground we requirement to indite our possess rules! This is not a newborn meme, whatever of us hit pursued elments of this for years. Still, we are effort fireman to a instance where it is possible. It&#8217;s ground I ease hit qualified iownme.com.  (tags: iownme docsearls vrm privacy idenity) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Time to indite our possess rules Doc sums up ground we requirement to indite our possess rules! This is not a newborn meme, whatever of us hit pursued elments of this for years. Still, we are effort fireman to a instance where it is possible. It&#8217;s ground I ease hit qualified iownme.com.  (tags: iownme docsearls vrm privacy idenity) [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: BillinDetroit</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/25/time-to-write-our-own-rules/#comment-16270</link>
		<author>BillinDetroit</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 08:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/25/time-to-write-our-own-rules/#comment-16270</guid>
		<description>Doc ... my logging data now shows a link to my blog. Thank you.

To 'unpack' my earlier comment:
Comment posters who leave behind thoughtful comments increase the value of a blog, however incrementally, in exchange for a similar incremental increase in the value of their own. If the nofollow attribute is set on our comments, we are adding to the common weal without adding to our own. In this respect, I am very much in accord with Ayn Rand that it is wrong to ask an individual to contribute to the value of another (or collective other) without offering a corresponding increase to that individual.

Your observations about Facebook, YouTube, etc. are spot-on. I honestly think that, while the consumer / individual may win some of the battles, the war for our data is already lost. Too many people, like one poster above, are willing for the merchants to anticipate our needs and wants (all the while defining them, as well, by controlling our options) for the needed restrictions to be enacted or, if enacted, enforced. Two points for George Orwell.

Because commercial interests can tap into a dazzling array of public and private data (vehicle registration, drivers license, loan, revolving credit and mortgage records, military and scholastic data, health insurance claims, phone records including GPS traces, ad nauseum) there is little real hope for any defensive scheme. Even seeding with false data is of limited effectiveness because it sticks out against the trend of 'good' data. 

The American people have already handed over the keys to their persona and can't revoke them. Other countries are too close behind us to point any fingers. When the whole bus leaves the road, the whole bus crashes.

It is growing increasingly difficult to avoid being forced to contribute. That limits the value of data atrophy. We are constantly compelled to refresh the data ourselves. We renew our drivers licenses and our fishing licenses. We register the end of our marriage licenses, the birth of our children and the deaths of our parents. We sign up for courses and have to formally abandon them or take a failing grade as penalty if we cannot see them all the way through. At every junction, the bony finger of reasonableness is pointed ... but the composite of the data available to analyze us is mind-boggling. Individually, the data collection IS reasonable. But the disparate wisps of data are joined and become actionable information. In the aggregation, the reasonableness is lost.

I dealt with one facet of this -corporate phishing- on my own blog tonight, just before coming here. Cash is being phased out and implantable RFIDs are moving forward, albeit cautiously at the moment. Some are in the currency, your garments, your passport. Your data is being mugged.

And here is the care those records receive: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7107975.stm

So, what is the answer to the needlessly invasive questions posed by corporations and the promiscuity with which government exchanges data with them?

Ayn Rand to the rescue: Atlas Shrugged ... and so should we.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc &#8230; my logging data now shows a link to my blog. Thank you.</p>
<p>To &#8216;unpack&#8217; my earlier comment:<br />
Comment posters who leave behind thoughtful comments increase the value of a blog, however incrementally, in exchange for a similar incremental increase in the value of their own. If the nofollow attribute is set on our comments, we are adding to the common weal without adding to our own. In this respect, I am very much in accord with Ayn Rand that it is wrong to ask an individual to contribute to the value of another (or collective other) without offering a corresponding increase to that individual.</p>
<p>Your observations about Facebook, YouTube, etc. are spot-on. I honestly think that, while the consumer / individual may win some of the battles, the war for our data is already lost. Too many people, like one poster above, are willing for the merchants to anticipate our needs and wants (all the while defining them, as well, by controlling our options) for the needed restrictions to be enacted or, if enacted, enforced. Two points for George Orwell.</p>
<p>Because commercial interests can tap into a dazzling array of public and private data (vehicle registration, drivers license, loan, revolving credit and mortgage records, military and scholastic data, health insurance claims, phone records including GPS traces, ad nauseum) there is little real hope for any defensive scheme. Even seeding with false data is of limited effectiveness because it sticks out against the trend of &#8216;good&#8217; data. </p>
<p>The American people have already handed over the keys to their persona and can&#8217;t revoke them. Other countries are too close behind us to point any fingers. When the whole bus leaves the road, the whole bus crashes.</p>
<p>It is growing increasingly difficult to avoid being forced to contribute. That limits the value of data atrophy. We are constantly compelled to refresh the data ourselves. We renew our drivers licenses and our fishing licenses. We register the end of our marriage licenses, the birth of our children and the deaths of our parents. We sign up for courses and have to formally abandon them or take a failing grade as penalty if we cannot see them all the way through. At every junction, the bony finger of reasonableness is pointed &#8230; but the composite of the data available to analyze us is mind-boggling. Individually, the data collection IS reasonable. But the disparate wisps of data are joined and become actionable information. In the aggregation, the reasonableness is lost.</p>
<p>I dealt with one facet of this -corporate phishing- on my own blog tonight, just before coming here. Cash is being phased out and implantable RFIDs are moving forward, albeit cautiously at the moment. Some are in the currency, your garments, your passport. Your data is being mugged.</p>
<p>And here is the care those records receive: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7107975.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7107975.stm</a></p>
<p>So, what is the answer to the needlessly invasive questions posed by corporations and the promiscuity with which government exchanges data with them?</p>
<p>Ayn Rand to the rescue: Atlas Shrugged &#8230; and so should we.</p>
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		<title>By: iyeronic &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Facebook thinks I&#8217;m gay</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/25/time-to-write-our-own-rules/#comment-16010</link>
		<author>iyeronic &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Facebook thinks I&#8217;m gay</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/25/time-to-write-our-own-rules/#comment-16010</guid>
		<description>[...] It is an interesting problem, anyway. In this case, it is harmless, but the fact I have no control and no way of saying &#8220;No thanks&#8221; is pretty annoying. It might be time to write our own rules. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] It is an interesting problem, anyway. In this case, it is harmless, but the fact I have no control and no way of saying &#8220;No thanks&#8221; is pretty annoying. It might be time to write our own rules. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Open Social Web Now: #5 at Like It Matters</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/25/time-to-write-our-own-rules/#comment-15934</link>
		<author>Open Social Web Now: #5 at Like It Matters</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/25/time-to-write-our-own-rules/#comment-15934</guid>
		<description>[...] Doc is right that incumbents won&#8217;t be the leaders when it comes to great data portability practices. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Doc is right that incumbents won&#8217;t be the leaders when it comes to great data portability practices. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Joel York</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/25/time-to-write-our-own-rules/#comment-15716</link>
		<author>Joel York</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/25/time-to-write-our-own-rules/#comment-15716</guid>
		<description>The problem with Facebook is VERY simple.
You get what you pay for.
If you want a social network to respect your data
and your privacy...then pay a subscription.

The sad fact of the matter is that if you use Facebook,
you should recognize that you just SOLD your data and your privacy.
you do NOT own it, and you shouldn't complain about it.

We have seen the enemy...and it is us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with Facebook is VERY simple.<br />
You get what you pay for.<br />
If you want a social network to respect your data<br />
and your privacy&#8230;then pay a subscription.</p>
<p>The sad fact of the matter is that if you use Facebook,<br />
you should recognize that you just SOLD your data and your privacy.<br />
you do NOT own it, and you shouldn&#8217;t complain about it.</p>
<p>We have seen the enemy&#8230;and it is us.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr.Mani&#8217;s Crystal Ball - Predictions for 2008 &#8212; Money.Power.Wisdom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/25/time-to-write-our-own-rules/#comment-15290</link>
		<author>Dr.Mani&#8217;s Crystal Ball - Predictions for 2008 &#8212; Money.Power.Wisdom</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 09:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/25/time-to-write-our-own-rules/#comment-15290</guid>
		<description>[...] Open social identity. Someone will discover the online, digital, globally relevant equivalent of the Social Security number. But will everyone adopt it? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Open social identity. Someone will discover the online, digital, globally relevant equivalent of the Social Security number. But will everyone adopt it? [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Slamlander</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/25/time-to-write-our-own-rules/#comment-15219</link>
		<author>Slamlander</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 10:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/25/time-to-write-our-own-rules/#comment-15219</guid>
		<description>The problem here, Christina, is that the only proven viable business model is the advertising and market data one, other than online shopping karts (Zen), gambling, and porn. People simply will not pay for a subscription to something like LiveJournal (especially with the current row over &lt;a href="http://community.livejournal.com/lj_biz/243946.html#comments" rel="nofollow"&gt;neo-puritan based censorship flagging&lt;/a&gt;). Yes, they've proven a definite need for WEB 2.0 social networking sites but, as yet, there is no money in them. Gathering marketing data is only the first attempt to monetize the WEB 2.0 concept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem here, Christina, is that the only proven viable business model is the advertising and market data one, other than online shopping karts (Zen), gambling, and porn. People simply will not pay for a subscription to something like LiveJournal (especially with the current row over <a href="http://community.livejournal.com/lj_biz/243946.html#comments" rel="nofollow">neo-puritan based censorship flagging</a>). Yes, they&#8217;ve proven a definite need for WEB 2.0 social networking sites but, as yet, there is no money in them. Gathering marketing data is only the first attempt to monetize the WEB 2.0 concept.</p>
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