Comments on: Making Rules, II http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/26/making-rules-ii/ Same old blog, brand new place Tue, 07 Oct 2008 04:24:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Doc Searls Weblog · A VRM approach to managing Twitter and Dopplr together http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/26/making-rules-ii/#comment-78190 Doc Searls Weblog · A VRM approach to managing Twitter and Dopplr together Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:39:36 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/26/making-rules-ii/#comment-78190 [...] we equip customers to lead vendors, the axe is pulled from our heads, and the walled garden becomes [...] [...] we equip customers to lead vendors, the axe is pulled from our heads, and the walled garden becomes [...]

]]> By: Facebook Not Understanding Opt-In is Like Universal Missing Digital Music: Purely Clueless | Chris Heuer's Idea Engine http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/26/making-rules-ii/#comment-15777 Facebook Not Understanding Opt-In is Like Universal Missing Digital Music: Purely Clueless | Chris Heuer's Idea Engine Thu, 06 Dec 2007 01:35:24 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/26/making-rules-ii/#comment-15777 [...] home an important understanding about the bigger issues at play here in his series of posts about Making Rules.  I may be interpreting it slightly differently, but these eloquent series of posts support [...] [...] home an important understanding about the bigger issues at play here in his series of posts about Making Rules.  I may be interpreting it slightly differently, but these eloquent series of posts support [...]

]]> By: Slamlander http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/26/making-rules-ii/#comment-13172 Slamlander Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:49:46 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/26/making-rules-ii/#comment-13172 What you said about markets; <blockquote>They were real places that thrived at the crossroads of cultures. They didn't need a market model, because they were the model market. More than religion, war or family, markets were real places where communities came together. They weren't just where sellers did business with buyers. They were the place where everybody got together to hang out, talk, tell stories and learn interesting stuff about each other and the larger world. '</blockquote> That's what WEB 2.0 is about and what FaceBook implements. The problem is that, that sort of market simply doesn't scale. Personally, I work in the Enterprise 2.0 space, looking for integrated implementation solutions services that will sell billable hours. At least, internal corporate communities are on a scale that will work, where the population is something less than <i>millions</i>. Expanding on I said yesterday, until the entire user community decides to be more judicious in the usage of these honeypots, called FaceBook, we will never get the deal changed. What you said about markets;

They were real places that thrived at the crossroads of cultures. They didn’t need a market model, because they were the model market. More than religion, war or family, markets were real places where communities came together. They weren’t just where sellers did business with buyers. They were the place where everybody got together to hang out, talk, tell stories and learn interesting stuff about each other and the larger world. ‘

That’s what WEB 2.0 is about and what FaceBook implements. The problem is that, that sort of market simply doesn’t scale. Personally, I work in the Enterprise 2.0 space, looking for integrated implementation solutions services that will sell billable hours. At least, internal corporate communities are on a scale that will work, where the population is something less than millions.

Expanding on I said yesterday, until the entire user community decides to be more judicious in the usage of these honeypots, called FaceBook, we will never get the deal changed.

]]> By: It’s about interaction stupid! « Alexander van Elsas’s Weblog on new media & technologies and their effect on social behavior http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/26/making-rules-ii/#comment-13065 It’s about interaction stupid! « Alexander van Elsas’s Weblog on new media & technologies and their effect on social behavior Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:09:29 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/26/making-rules-ii/#comment-13065 [...] need Tim O’Reilly calling out rightly “It’s the data stupid“,  or Doc Searl pointing us to VRM, because service providers thinking user value would make it a priority to put [...] [...] need Tim O’Reilly calling out rightly “It’s the data stupid“,  or Doc Searl pointing us to VRM, because service providers thinking user value would make it a priority to put [...]

]]> By: BillinDetroit http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/26/making-rules-ii/#comment-13019 BillinDetroit Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:19:38 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/26/making-rules-ii/#comment-13019 I deeply admired The Cluetrain Manifesto when I first read it. I admire it today. But as long as sheeple continue to line up for abuse, the supply of abuse will grow to meet the rising demand. All of this is the rattling of an empty scabbard. No one in a position of power has anything to gain by pushing the pendulum back. No one with anything to gain has the power to push the pendulum back. I won't go off the deep-end on you, but I invite anyone to show the error of that statement. I deeply admired The Cluetrain Manifesto when I first read it. I admire it today.

But as long as sheeple continue to line up for abuse, the supply of abuse will grow to meet the rising demand.

All of this is the rattling of an empty scabbard. No one in a position of power has anything to gain by pushing the pendulum back. No one with anything to gain has the power to push the pendulum back.

I won’t go off the deep-end on you, but I invite anyone to show the error of that statement.

]]> By: Marc’s Voice » Blog Archive » Go out and kick some ass - Doc http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/26/making-rules-ii/#comment-12796 Marc’s Voice » Blog Archive » Go out and kick some ass - Doc Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:58:57 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/26/making-rules-ii/#comment-12796 [...] Doc creates a major post - he gets all sorts of feedback. So I’ve learned to wait a day before responding - and sure ‘nuf a whole bunch of stuff explodes around Doc’s post. [...] [...] Doc creates a major post - he gets all sorts of feedback. So I’ve learned to wait a day before responding - and sure ‘nuf a whole bunch of stuff explodes around Doc’s post. [...]

]]> By: Thomas Hawk http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/26/making-rules-ii/#comment-12755 Thomas Hawk Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:08:59 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/26/making-rules-ii/#comment-12755 Well put. Well put.

]]> By: Ritesh Bawri http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/26/making-rules-ii/#comment-12725 Ritesh Bawri Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:46:07 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/26/making-rules-ii/#comment-12725 Is it possible to find a win-win for both vendors and customers? Vendors want/need information about their customers. Under the right circumstances would customers share information with vendors? Can a mutually beneficial solution be created that could work for both parties? Is it possible to find a win-win for both vendors and customers? Vendors want/need information about their customers. Under the right circumstances would customers share information with vendors? Can a mutually beneficial solution be created that could work for both parties?

]]> By: Bob http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/26/making-rules-ii/#comment-12720 Bob Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:40:18 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/26/making-rules-ii/#comment-12720 Doc, I've enjoyed reading your commentary on this. Even if you don't take this to the extreme, the fact that Facebook's Privacy and Security policies are weaker than those of ANY of their major competitors deserves more attention than it is getting. This includes MySpace, Google, Yahoo and Microsoft. I didn't have time to check others when I initially blogged about this, but I'm sure there are plenty. Here is a link to what I wrote about this previously: http://jobmatchbox.com/2007/09/22/why-i-stopped-using-facebook/ They clearly have a blank check approach in mind so that they can do whatever they want as it comes to mind, without regard for their users. While this may be good for a garage stage startup, it isn't such a good way of doing things for a company that has reached the level of Facebook. Bob Jobmatchbox.com Doc,

I’ve enjoyed reading your commentary on this. Even if you don’t take this to the extreme, the fact that Facebook’s Privacy and Security policies are weaker than those of ANY of their major competitors deserves more attention than it is getting. This includes MySpace, Google, Yahoo and Microsoft. I didn’t have time to check others when I initially blogged about this, but I’m sure there are plenty.

Here is a link to what I wrote about this previously:
http://jobmatchbox.com/2007/09/22/why-i-stopped-using-facebook/

They clearly have a blank check approach in mind so that they can do whatever they want as it comes to mind, without regard for their users. While this may be good for a garage stage startup, it isn’t such a good way of doing things for a company that has reached the level of Facebook.

Bob
 Jobmatchbox.com

]]> By: tedc http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/26/making-rules-ii/#comment-12708 tedc Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:03:36 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2007/11/26/making-rules-ii/#comment-12708 Wonderful commentary. Wonderful commentary.

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