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		<title>By: Stratumseind Miller Time Cafe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/01/05/thoughts-on-the-writers-strike/comment-page-1/#comment-29963</link>
		<dc:creator>Stratumseind Miller Time Cafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Stratumseind Miller Time Cafe...&lt;/strong&gt;

I have mentioned that a couple of weeks ago I took my geek shopping. I wanted him to buy a nice pair of shoes, but he wouldn’ t budge. When he refused to wear the Kenneth Cole shoes I wanted him to try on, I suggested a pair of brown Ecco shoes. He c...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Stratumseind Miller Time Cafe&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I have mentioned that a couple of weeks ago I took my geek shopping. I wanted him to buy a nice pair of shoes, but he wouldn’ t budge. When he refused to wear the Kenneth Cole shoes I wanted him to try on, I suggested a pair of brown Ecco shoes. He c&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/01/05/thoughts-on-the-writers-strike/comment-page-1/#comment-21046</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russell: The answer to your question is here:

http://www.newsfromme.com/archives/2007_11_05.html#014307

Doc: Or perhaps, if it has any effect at all, VRM will make things even worse. The possibility should be considered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russell: The answer to your question is here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newsfromme.com/archives/2007_11_05.html#014307" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsfromme.com/archives/2007_11_05.html#014307</a></p>
<p>Doc: Or perhaps, if it has any effect at all, VRM will make things even worse. The possibility should be considered.</p>
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		<title>By: Drummond Reed</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/01/05/thoughts-on-the-writers-strike/comment-page-1/#comment-20798</link>
		<dc:creator>Drummond Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 01:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doc, I fixed the broken links on the ID Commons wiki home page that you pointed to. Sometimes us users need to tend to the user-generated content ;-)

=Drummond</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc, I fixed the broken links on the ID Commons wiki home page that you pointed to. Sometimes us users need to tend to the user-generated content <img src='http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>=Drummond</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/01/05/thoughts-on-the-writers-strike/comment-page-1/#comment-20732</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Searls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 18:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>docduke, thanks for the kind words. And I knew you weren&#039;t complaining. In fact, you flagged a problem that needs to be fixed.

Seth, agreed, except perhaps about VRM, which I&#039;m not posing as a way to balance power between corporations and workers. I &lt;i&gt;am &lt;/i&gt;posing it, however, as a way to balance power between vendors and customers. Different challenge. Should VRM succeed, it will probably have other effects. Perhaps the worker/corporation relationship is one of them, especially if customers sympathize with workers.

Russ, I have no idea if the strikers will make up for lost income. Not sure that&#039;s the only issue, though. Or the deciding factor. Lots of strikes have gone forward in spite of grim prospects.

Crosbie, agreed. In the meanwhile, dramas play out so long as companies intermediate between first sources (in many or most cases, work or workers) and final customers. No doubt the roles of companies are changing. Some, perhaps, will be no more than ways of organizing work and routing paychecks. But I doubt that will be the case. There are many things only companeis can do. 

Steven, I believe your points were supported by Paul Otellini of Intel &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1006047&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in his talk at CES&lt;/a&gt; yesterday. interesting shift there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>docduke, thanks for the kind words. And I knew you weren&#8217;t complaining. In fact, you flagged a problem that needs to be fixed.</p>
<p>Seth, agreed, except perhaps about VRM, which I&#8217;m not posing as a way to balance power between corporations and workers. I <i>am </i>posing it, however, as a way to balance power between vendors and customers. Different challenge. Should VRM succeed, it will probably have other effects. Perhaps the worker/corporation relationship is one of them, especially if customers sympathize with workers.</p>
<p>Russ, I have no idea if the strikers will make up for lost income. Not sure that&#8217;s the only issue, though. Or the deciding factor. Lots of strikes have gone forward in spite of grim prospects.</p>
<p>Crosbie, agreed. In the meanwhile, dramas play out so long as companies intermediate between first sources (in many or most cases, work or workers) and final customers. No doubt the roles of companies are changing. Some, perhaps, will be no more than ways of organizing work and routing paychecks. But I doubt that will be the case. There are many things only companeis can do. </p>
<p>Steven, I believe your points were supported by Paul Otellini of Intel <a href="http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1006047" rel="nofollow">in his talk at CES</a> yesterday. interesting shift there.</p>
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		<title>By: vaspers the grate aka steven e. streight</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/01/05/thoughts-on-the-writers-strike/comment-page-1/#comment-20715</link>
		<dc:creator>vaspers the grate aka steven e. streight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 17:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see also a User Gen vs. Mass Media problem floating in the background of this discussion.

As writers strike, the free user generated content factor looms larger: reality TV vs. scripted TV, actual people vs. actors. This whole loop then ties in with the Do It Yourself mentality, with open source tools and distribution channels enabling us to bypass the whole mess.

For example, I can make music with Audacity, add loops with Ambiloop, upload videos to YouTube, make mp3s (now m4as) via iTunes, host them on Ning and Garageband, distribute audio files via Pownce, etc. and thereby eliminate the need for recording companies.

While I sympathize with the writers, as I am one myself, I also see the bigger tide rolling in from user gen variations.

We are entertaining and informing ourselves now.

Many are turning off their TVs, avoiding the movie theatres, and watching their peers on YouTube.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see also a User Gen vs. Mass Media problem floating in the background of this discussion.</p>
<p>As writers strike, the free user generated content factor looms larger: reality TV vs. scripted TV, actual people vs. actors. This whole loop then ties in with the Do It Yourself mentality, with open source tools and distribution channels enabling us to bypass the whole mess.</p>
<p>For example, I can make music with Audacity, add loops with Ambiloop, upload videos to YouTube, make mp3s (now m4as) via iTunes, host them on Ning and Garageband, distribute audio files via Pownce, etc. and thereby eliminate the need for recording companies.</p>
<p>While I sympathize with the writers, as I am one myself, I also see the bigger tide rolling in from user gen variations.</p>
<p>We are entertaining and informing ourselves now.</p>
<p>Many are turning off their TVs, avoiding the movie theatres, and watching their peers on YouTube.</p>
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		<title>By: Crosbie Fitch</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/01/05/thoughts-on-the-writers-strike/comment-page-1/#comment-20450</link>
		<dc:creator>Crosbie Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And customers are more powerful than the corporation that serves them.

When the customer disintermediates the corporation out of their relationship with the worker, then the worker has a simpler, less fraught relationship with the source of their income.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And customers are more powerful than the corporation that serves them.</p>
<p>When the customer disintermediates the corporation out of their relationship with the worker, then the worker has a simpler, less fraught relationship with the source of their income.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/01/05/thoughts-on-the-writers-strike/comment-page-1/#comment-20398</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you enjoyed it. Note particularly the portion calling for the support of &lt;em&gt;unions&lt;/em&gt; for white-collar workers, and the criticism of the reflexive hostility some hold against collective bargaining. In particular, &quot;VRM&quot; won&#039;t help (except in trivial secondary sorts of things) because it does nothing to change the fact that big corporations are far more powerful than any one worker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you enjoyed it. Note particularly the portion calling for the support of <em>unions</em> for white-collar workers, and the criticism of the reflexive hostility some hold against collective bargaining. In particular, &#8220;VRM&#8221; won&#8217;t help (except in trivial secondary sorts of things) because it does nothing to change the fact that big corporations are far more powerful than any one worker.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 06:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But ... Doc ... will they make enough money to cover the lost income from the strike?  Not clear that will happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But &#8230; Doc &#8230; will they make enough money to cover the lost income from the strike?  Not clear that will happen.</p>
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		<title>By: docduke</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/01/05/thoughts-on-the-writers-strike/comment-page-1/#comment-20339</link>
		<dc:creator>docduke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 00:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the pointer to IIW2007b.  It helps to orient me.  

I&#039;m not complaining, I&#039;m just supplying feedback.  I have only come upon your blog(s) recently, and I&#039;m now checking in daily.  I am really impressed by the breadth, depth and relevance of the topics you are tracking and linking to.  The pictures are also gorgeous!  Thanks!

Happy New Year!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the pointer to IIW2007b.  It helps to orient me.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not complaining, I&#8217;m just supplying feedback.  I have only come upon your blog(s) recently, and I&#8217;m now checking in daily.  I am really impressed by the breadth, depth and relevance of the topics you are tracking and linking to.  The pictures are also gorgeous!  Thanks!</p>
<p>Happy New Year!</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/01/05/thoughts-on-the-writers-strike/comment-page-1/#comment-20311</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Searls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 18:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good piece, Seth. Thanks for pointing to it.

It&#039;s interesting to read that &lt;i&gt;The studios want to define internet streaming video as &quot;promotional&quot;&lt;/i&gt;. This is similar to the position of both the entertainment industry and public radio in respect to podcasting. There is no effort even to collect a voluntary sum for downloaded podcasts. Instead, they are underwritten by sponsoring corporations.

The important point, however, in respect to the strike, is that money will be made with these goods, and the authors deserve their fair share of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good piece, Seth. Thanks for pointing to it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting to read that <i>The studios want to define internet streaming video as &#8220;promotional&#8221;</i>. This is similar to the position of both the entertainment industry and public radio in respect to podcasting. There is no effort even to collect a voluntary sum for downloaded podcasts. Instead, they are underwritten by sponsoring corporations.</p>
<p>The important point, however, in respect to the strike, is that money will be made with these goods, and the authors deserve their fair share of it.</p>
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