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		<title>By: Doc Searls</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/01/22/remembering-dr-king/comment-page-1/#comment-23389</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Searls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 03:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somewhere Gatto says something like, &quot;All efforts to &#039;reform&#039; the education &#039;system&#039; only make it worse.&quot; No Child Left Behind was horrible from the start, and predicated on so many worst assumptions -- about teachers, students and schools.

Our 11 year old is going to a Waldorf School now. It&#039;s not home schooling, but it&#039;s wonderful. He&#039;s turned on to everything. There is nothing stifling about it. He&#039;s learning piles of stuff, and there hasn&#039;t been a single test yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somewhere Gatto says something like, &#8220;All efforts to &#8216;reform&#8217; the education &#8217;system&#8217; only make it worse.&#8221; No Child Left Behind was horrible from the start, and predicated on so many worst assumptions &#8212; about teachers, students and schools.</p>
<p>Our 11 year old is going to a Waldorf School now. It&#8217;s not home schooling, but it&#8217;s wonderful. He&#8217;s turned on to everything. There is nothing stifling about it. He&#8217;s learning piles of stuff, and there hasn&#8217;t been a single test yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacqueline</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/01/22/remembering-dr-king/comment-page-1/#comment-23345</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacqueline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gatto is very interesting - and you&#039;re right, I&#039;d never heard of him.  I&#039;ll have to send that link to the many teachers in my friends/family.

The testing system is a tragedy, isn&#039;t it?  I always did well on them (I&#039;m good at &quot;gaming&quot; standardized tests), but one of my best friends always scored really low.  However, now he has a masters and speaks multiple languages fluently, including Mandarin (he lives and works in Beijing).  My mother is a public school teacher, so I have many, many more stories like this - and where she teaches, they are really pressured to teach to the tests, because otherwise they will lose funding -thanks, No Child Left Behind!.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gatto is very interesting &#8211; and you&#8217;re right, I&#8217;d never heard of him.  I&#8217;ll have to send that link to the many teachers in my friends/family.</p>
<p>The testing system is a tragedy, isn&#8217;t it?  I always did well on them (I&#8217;m good at &#8220;gaming&#8221; standardized tests), but one of my best friends always scored really low.  However, now he has a masters and speaks multiple languages fluently, including Mandarin (he lives and works in Beijing).  My mother is a public school teacher, so I have many, many more stories like this &#8211; and where she teaches, they are really pressured to teach to the tests, because otherwise they will lose funding -thanks, No Child Left Behind!.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Warot</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/01/22/remembering-dr-king/comment-page-1/#comment-23338</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Warot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doc, I found Gatto a few years ago... and now I&#039;m trying to figure out how to keep our daughter, Virginia, safe from the predations of the school system. Still have 3 years to figure that one out... once she&#039;s talking, I&#039;ll have a better sense of what actions might work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc, I found Gatto a few years ago&#8230; and now I&#8217;m trying to figure out how to keep our daughter, Virginia, safe from the predations of the school system. Still have 3 years to figure that one out&#8230; once she&#8217;s talking, I&#8217;ll have a better sense of what actions might work.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/01/22/remembering-dr-king/comment-page-1/#comment-23305</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Searls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike and Jacqueline, thanks for making your points about the tragedy of modern education. If it helps, school wasn&#039;t much better in my day. The obsession with testing began after WWII, in my generation. Its worst effect is not the homogenization of methodology, nor the dispiriting of both teachers and students, but something especially offensive to the sensibilities Dr. King taught. It is the classification and sorting of children into chutes and bins. We call this one &quot;gifted&quot; and that one &quot;challenged&quot;. We say this one is good at math and that one is bad. We say somebody has &quot;an IQ&quot; of some number, as if solving puzzles were a dipstick for the brain. (My own known IQ scores have a range of 80 points. They were so low in Junior High that if it had been up to the school system I would have been sent down the chute to a &quot;vocational&quot; high school with other academic non-performers to learn a &quot;trade&quot;.)

Fortunately, we have someone in education of Dr. King&#039;s eloquence, but sadly not of his influence: &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Taylor_Gatto&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;John Taylor Gatto&lt;/a&gt;. Follow the links, especially to Gatto&#039;s writing. 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rit.edu/~cma8660/mirror/www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/1s.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s one history lesson&lt;/a&gt;.

I suppose we should be glad that Gatto isn&#039;t more well-known, or he&#039;d have been shot by now too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike and Jacqueline, thanks for making your points about the tragedy of modern education. If it helps, school wasn&#8217;t much better in my day. The obsession with testing began after WWII, in my generation. Its worst effect is not the homogenization of methodology, nor the dispiriting of both teachers and students, but something especially offensive to the sensibilities Dr. King taught. It is the classification and sorting of children into chutes and bins. We call this one &#8220;gifted&#8221; and that one &#8220;challenged&#8221;. We say this one is good at math and that one is bad. We say somebody has &#8220;an IQ&#8221; of some number, as if solving puzzles were a dipstick for the brain. (My own known IQ scores have a range of 80 points. They were so low in Junior High that if it had been up to the school system I would have been sent down the chute to a &#8220;vocational&#8221; high school with other academic non-performers to learn a &#8220;trade&#8221;.)</p>
<p>Fortunately, we have someone in education of Dr. King&#8217;s eloquence, but sadly not of his influence: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Taylor_Gatto" rel="nofollow">John Taylor Gatto</a>. Follow the links, especially to Gatto&#8217;s writing. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.rit.edu/~cma8660/mirror/www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/1s.htm" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s one history lesson</a>.</p>
<p>I suppose we should be glad that Gatto isn&#8217;t more well-known, or he&#8217;d have been shot by now too.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/01/22/remembering-dr-king/comment-page-1/#comment-23304</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Searls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, your remarks about the welfare queen and Jesse Jackson bring to mind another terrible fact about lost leaders in the fight against hatred and war: they are not replaceable. Will we ever again see a leader of Dr. King&#039;s stature and eloquence, much less espousing the same values?

Perhaps in the fullness of time. I can be optimistic about that, at least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, your remarks about the welfare queen and Jesse Jackson bring to mind another terrible fact about lost leaders in the fight against hatred and war: they are not replaceable. Will we ever again see a leader of Dr. King&#8217;s stature and eloquence, much less espousing the same values?</p>
<p>Perhaps in the fullness of time. I can be optimistic about that, at least.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacqueline</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/01/22/remembering-dr-king/comment-page-1/#comment-23223</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacqueline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s unfortunate, but I do have to concur with Mike&#039;s point about how history is taught - I don&#039;t think my teachers ever made it past the Victorian era!  Also, I was born in 1983 and therefore started school after the whole standardized test thing had started, so &quot;teaching to the test&quot; became the norm (there is not so much in the way of history on those).  

Fortunately, however, I was a nerdy kid who read voraciously, so I made up for what was lacking by basically reading everything I could get my hands on, history books included.  And like Mike, I read ahead in my textbooks because I was bored (that drove my teachers nuts).  However, I doubt that many of my peers did the same.

Back to the point of the post - 

This quote gets to me: &quot;“A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual doom.”

But this one gives me hope, in a way - “Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.” - because the growth in citizen journalism and publishing tools on the web mean that breaking the silence has become easier than ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s unfortunate, but I do have to concur with Mike&#8217;s point about how history is taught &#8211; I don&#8217;t think my teachers ever made it past the Victorian era!  Also, I was born in 1983 and therefore started school after the whole standardized test thing had started, so &#8220;teaching to the test&#8221; became the norm (there is not so much in the way of history on those).  </p>
<p>Fortunately, however, I was a nerdy kid who read voraciously, so I made up for what was lacking by basically reading everything I could get my hands on, history books included.  And like Mike, I read ahead in my textbooks because I was bored (that drove my teachers nuts).  However, I doubt that many of my peers did the same.</p>
<p>Back to the point of the post &#8211; </p>
<p>This quote gets to me: &#8220;“A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual doom.”</p>
<p>But this one gives me hope, in a way &#8211; “Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.” &#8211; because the growth in citizen journalism and publishing tools on the web mean that breaking the silence has become easier than ever.</p>
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		<title>By: Blissful Ignorance &#187; Blog Archive &#187; In love with Love</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/01/22/remembering-dr-king/comment-page-1/#comment-23216</link>
		<dc:creator>Blissful Ignorance &#187; Blog Archive &#187; In love with Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Marking MLK day, Doc Searls shared a personal haunt- that the last word of &#8220;unarmed truth and unconditional love&#8221; won&#8217;t come in his lifetime. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Marking MLK day, Doc Searls shared a personal haunt- that the last word of &#8220;unarmed truth and unconditional love&#8221; won&#8217;t come in his lifetime. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Warot</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/01/22/remembering-dr-king/comment-page-1/#comment-23202</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Warot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh.. and our other legacy from Dr King...


Jesse Jackson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh.. and our other legacy from Dr King&#8230;</p>
<p>Jesse Jackson</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Warot</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/01/22/remembering-dr-king/comment-page-1/#comment-23197</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Warot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, Dr Kings legacy to us is the image of the welfare queen, who profits from our collective guilt about slavery... something from before the civil war.

not pretty, is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, Dr Kings legacy to us is the image of the welfare queen, who profits from our collective guilt about slavery&#8230; something from before the civil war.</p>
<p>not pretty, is it?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Warot</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/01/22/remembering-dr-king/comment-page-1/#comment-23195</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Warot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Doc,
  I was only 10 days old when JFK got killed. I grew up in the 70&#039;s... post Viet-Nam, etc..   When we went through history in high-school they ran out of time, and didn&#039;t teach us ANYTHING about history after 1900.... the only reason I knew anything about WWI or WWII, Korea, Viet Nam, etc.. is because I was bored and read ahead in the books to stay amused, unlike my class mates.

  People my age and younger don&#039;t generally know ANYTHING about the state of the world, and how we got here because they teach history in the wrong order... least relevant stuff first. Who cares about the Sumerian empire? Why not start with the stuff we care about, and build from there?

  Anyway... back to the point. I grew up after all that stuff, and disconnected from all of it by an education that placed no value on learning from history... more focus on how to pass tests than actual, you know... education. I think this is pretty much how all of my peers experienced it as well.

  Having no solid foundation in history or critical thinking, it took a long time for me to start to get it... somewhere around 1995 or so...  I don&#039;t know how well my classmates are doing as far as getting a clue... but I&#039;m not very hopeful.

  We&#039;re an MTV nation, disconnected from our past, with no critical thinking skills, no heros, and no real sense of community.... it&#039;s not a good place to be, considering the shit that&#039;s we&#039;re in for ahead.

  I hope I&#039;m wrong, and that those with a clue have enough skills and resources to help the rest wake up to reality once we go post-oil, post-consumer, and enter the maelstrom ahead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Doc,<br />
  I was only 10 days old when JFK got killed. I grew up in the 70&#8217;s&#8230; post Viet-Nam, etc..   When we went through history in high-school they ran out of time, and didn&#8217;t teach us ANYTHING about history after 1900&#8230;. the only reason I knew anything about WWI or WWII, Korea, Viet Nam, etc.. is because I was bored and read ahead in the books to stay amused, unlike my class mates.</p>
<p>  People my age and younger don&#8217;t generally know ANYTHING about the state of the world, and how we got here because they teach history in the wrong order&#8230; least relevant stuff first. Who cares about the Sumerian empire? Why not start with the stuff we care about, and build from there?</p>
<p>  Anyway&#8230; back to the point. I grew up after all that stuff, and disconnected from all of it by an education that placed no value on learning from history&#8230; more focus on how to pass tests than actual, you know&#8230; education. I think this is pretty much how all of my peers experienced it as well.</p>
<p>  Having no solid foundation in history or critical thinking, it took a long time for me to start to get it&#8230; somewhere around 1995 or so&#8230;  I don&#8217;t know how well my classmates are doing as far as getting a clue&#8230; but I&#8217;m not very hopeful.</p>
<p>  We&#8217;re an MTV nation, disconnected from our past, with no critical thinking skills, no heros, and no real sense of community&#8230;. it&#8217;s not a good place to be, considering the shit that&#8217;s we&#8217;re in for ahead.</p>
<p>  I hope I&#8217;m wrong, and that those with a clue have enough skills and resources to help the rest wake up to reality once we go post-oil, post-consumer, and enter the maelstrom ahead.</p>
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