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		<title>By: tony</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/02/05/obamarama/comment-page-1/#comment-27433</link>
		<dc:creator>tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does the fact that neo-con andrew sullivan supports obama scare anyone else?</description>
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		<title>By: Dizzy Gillespie, Ignacz Paderewski, Sonny Rollins, Frank Sinatra, Nat King Cole, Vito Marcantonio, and the Benjamin Franklin High School Riots of 1946 &#124; Lovegin&#8217;s Personal weblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dizzy Gillespie, Ignacz Paderewski, Sonny Rollins, Frank Sinatra, Nat King Cole, Vito Marcantonio, and the Benjamin Franklin High School Riots of 1946 &#124; Lovegin&#8217;s Personal weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] For a timely posting by my friend and colleague Doc Searls, a long-time independent-voter, on his decision to support Barack Obama in the present primary elections click here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] For a timely posting by my friend and colleague Doc Searls, a long-time independent-voter, on his decision to support Barack Obama in the present primary elections click here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Windley</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/02/05/obamarama/comment-page-1/#comment-25901</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Windley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 03:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doc, in most (all?) states, parties control the rules for primaries, so it&#039;s not just a state-by-state thing, but a party-by-party thing.  

In a lot of ways the &quot;gotta be a member&quot; rules make sense when you think about this being the party choosing their candidate, not &quot;us&quot; choosing a candidate.   On the other hand, I think these rules really just discourage people most of the time and are certainly confusing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc, in most (all?) states, parties control the rules for primaries, so it&#8217;s not just a state-by-state thing, but a party-by-party thing.  </p>
<p>In a lot of ways the &#8220;gotta be a member&#8221; rules make sense when you think about this being the party choosing their candidate, not &#8220;us&#8221; choosing a candidate.   On the other hand, I think these rules really just discourage people most of the time and are certainly confusing.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Theobald</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/02/05/obamarama/comment-page-1/#comment-25674</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Theobald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 02:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Paul Ding - you stated: &#039;Paul is a racist&#039;. Nasty statement without  backing it up. We all know of the newsletters that included grossly racist comments. But I thought we also all knew that Dr. Paul didn&#039;t actually write them. Obviously he regrets allowing the use of his name with these newsletters. A poor decision on hindsight to say the least. But the letters are obviously inconsistent with everything Ron Paul has ever said or written. 

The President of the Austin NAACP backs Paul on this one - even though he doesn&#039;t necessarily agree with Paul&#039;s political views:
http://www.nolanchart.com/article1134.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Paul Ding &#8211; you stated: &#8216;Paul is a racist&#8217;. Nasty statement without  backing it up. We all know of the newsletters that included grossly racist comments. But I thought we also all knew that Dr. Paul didn&#8217;t actually write them. Obviously he regrets allowing the use of his name with these newsletters. A poor decision on hindsight to say the least. But the letters are obviously inconsistent with everything Ron Paul has ever said or written. </p>
<p>The President of the Austin NAACP backs Paul on this one &#8211; even though he doesn&#8217;t necessarily agree with Paul&#8217;s political views:<br />
<a href="http://www.nolanchart.com/article1134.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nolanchart.com/article1134.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ed Theobald</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/02/05/obamarama/comment-page-1/#comment-25670</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Theobald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 02:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doc, I agree wholeheartedly that Obama is the best choice in the top 4. I disagree that he shows any significant sign of actually making a change of course in our foreign policy (imperialism). He speaks of &#039;aggressive diplomacy&#039; in place of war. A good change to be sure - but in reality it means using our might to coerce rather than using overt military action. Shades of gray I&#039;m afraid. For instance, the murderous sanctions against Iraq in the 90&#039;s may well have killed as many people as the &#039;excess deaths&#039; that the war has inflicted (as reported by the Lancet). In this case we traded disease and starvation (mostly children) for death by traditional warfare. If I had to choose a fate for myself, I&#039;m not sure if I&#039;d choose starvation of explosives.

The Geneva convention states that even in times of war, all parties need to allow adequate water and food to the civilian population. Yet our sanctions against Iraq were an obvious violation of this. Folks see sanctions (a.k.a. Obama&#039;s aggressive diplomacy) as a good alternative to war. But sanction of this kind are an act of war - in fact they are a violation of acceptable warfare. 

I&#039;m afraid I&#039;m far too much of a humanist to back any candidate that can&#039;t speak out with truth and honesty in this regard. I&#039;d really like to be hopeful and optimistic about Obama vs. &#039;the others&#039;, but having read many of his speeches to industry groups, as well as his Foreign Affairs magazine article, I can only conclude that no &#039;real&#039; change would occur. 

I refuse to fall for the trap of voting for the least evil candidate. It just perpetuates the illusion that we have real choices in our politics. Short term compromises get us no where in the long run. False dichotomies between candidates that are all part of an exceedingly narrow spectrum won&#039;t fool me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc, I agree wholeheartedly that Obama is the best choice in the top 4. I disagree that he shows any significant sign of actually making a change of course in our foreign policy (imperialism). He speaks of &#8216;aggressive diplomacy&#8217; in place of war. A good change to be sure &#8211; but in reality it means using our might to coerce rather than using overt military action. Shades of gray I&#8217;m afraid. For instance, the murderous sanctions against Iraq in the 90&#8217;s may well have killed as many people as the &#8216;excess deaths&#8217; that the war has inflicted (as reported by the Lancet). In this case we traded disease and starvation (mostly children) for death by traditional warfare. If I had to choose a fate for myself, I&#8217;m not sure if I&#8217;d choose starvation of explosives.</p>
<p>The Geneva convention states that even in times of war, all parties need to allow adequate water and food to the civilian population. Yet our sanctions against Iraq were an obvious violation of this. Folks see sanctions (a.k.a. Obama&#8217;s aggressive diplomacy) as a good alternative to war. But sanction of this kind are an act of war &#8211; in fact they are a violation of acceptable warfare. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid I&#8217;m far too much of a humanist to back any candidate that can&#8217;t speak out with truth and honesty in this regard. I&#8217;d really like to be hopeful and optimistic about Obama vs. &#8216;the others&#8217;, but having read many of his speeches to industry groups, as well as his Foreign Affairs magazine article, I can only conclude that no &#8216;real&#8217; change would occur. </p>
<p>I refuse to fall for the trap of voting for the least evil candidate. It just perpetuates the illusion that we have real choices in our politics. Short term compromises get us no where in the long run. False dichotomies between candidates that are all part of an exceedingly narrow spectrum won&#8217;t fool me.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Kalsey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/02/05/obamarama/comment-page-1/#comment-25637</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Kalsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 21:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The confusion about &quot;independents&quot; being allowed to vote in California primaries is partly caused by the fact there is an &quot;American Independent Party.&quot;  As I understand, when one registers, one can declare membership in that party or declare &quot;Declines to state.&quot;  They&#039;re not the same thing, but confusion reigns.  As the pundits keep talking about the &quot;independent voter&quot; they add to the confusion.  But the phrase is much less unwieldy for them than &quot;the declines-to-state voter,&quot; which does not exactly trip off the pundit&#039;s already-taxed tongue.  So check your registration, Doc; you missed this election, but there&#039;s always next time.  Maybe we should start using some designation like &quot;undeclared.&quot;  (Of course, somebody might then form the &quot;American Undeclared Party.&quot;  In fact, I might just do that.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The confusion about &#8220;independents&#8221; being allowed to vote in California primaries is partly caused by the fact there is an &#8220;American Independent Party.&#8221;  As I understand, when one registers, one can declare membership in that party or declare &#8220;Declines to state.&#8221;  They&#8217;re not the same thing, but confusion reigns.  As the pundits keep talking about the &#8220;independent voter&#8221; they add to the confusion.  But the phrase is much less unwieldy for them than &#8220;the declines-to-state voter,&#8221; which does not exactly trip off the pundit&#8217;s already-taxed tongue.  So check your registration, Doc; you missed this election, but there&#8217;s always next time.  Maybe we should start using some designation like &#8220;undeclared.&#8221;  (Of course, somebody might then form the &#8220;American Undeclared Party.&#8221;  In fact, I might just do that.)</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/02/05/obamarama/comment-page-1/#comment-25571</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Searls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Jonathan. I hate to admit how under-informed I was about the options there. But California takes some blame too. It would be easier if they just adopted &quot;party only&quot; or &quot;any party&quot; as policy. Instead there&#039;s this confuzzion.

And Paul, that&#039;s a terrific and well-written analysis. I have to admit that my enthusiasm for Obama involves a lot of wishful projection. I think it does for most of his advocates. I also admit I know little about Evan Bayh, although I recall his dad quite well (as you might expect, since I&#039;m 60). 

One woman I know well, a political independent whose intelligence and intiuition are especially trustworthy, thinks what matters most at this point is who McCain chooses for a vice president, because McCain and his #2 are likely to be our next two presidents.

She sees stuff to like about both Hillary and Barack, but believes that most voters aren&#039;t ready to pull the lever for a woman or a black man. And she thinks McCain is too old and possibly too unhealthy either to last a full term or to serve two terms. But that he&#039;ll be elected because he&#039;ll be the most comfortable choice.

In any case, we&#039;ll see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Jonathan. I hate to admit how under-informed I was about the options there. But California takes some blame too. It would be easier if they just adopted &#8220;party only&#8221; or &#8220;any party&#8221; as policy. Instead there&#8217;s this confuzzion.</p>
<p>And Paul, that&#8217;s a terrific and well-written analysis. I have to admit that my enthusiasm for Obama involves a lot of wishful projection. I think it does for most of his advocates. I also admit I know little about Evan Bayh, although I recall his dad quite well (as you might expect, since I&#8217;m 60). </p>
<p>One woman I know well, a political independent whose intelligence and intiuition are especially trustworthy, thinks what matters most at this point is who McCain chooses for a vice president, because McCain and his #2 are likely to be our next two presidents.</p>
<p>She sees stuff to like about both Hillary and Barack, but believes that most voters aren&#8217;t ready to pull the lever for a woman or a black man. And she thinks McCain is too old and possibly too unhealthy either to last a full term or to serve two terms. But that he&#8217;ll be elected because he&#8217;ll be the most comfortable choice.</p>
<p>In any case, we&#8217;ll see.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Ding</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Ding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 02:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I liked about Evan Bayh, who dropped out of the election before he hardly even dropped in, was that he was a Democrat that Republicans like. 

Son of Birch Bayh, the Vietnam-era anti-war senator, he was elected governor twice of Indiana before he ran for the US Senate, and he won handily every time.  A week before he was elected to the Governor&#039;s seat the first time, they were interviewing Mutz?, his opponent, on the radio. It was a foregone conclusion that Bayh was going to win, and Mutz didn&#039;t seem too upset about it. 

You know, he said, Evan Bayh is the sort of young man that we really ought to encourage to go into politics. He&#039;s eloquent, honest, intelligent, got a feel for the working man. The only reason, he said, to vote against him was that he was too young and inexperienced to be governor. In another 10 years, he&#039;ll be perfect.  

Evan Bayh won election in Indiana, a state that had only a couple of years before had a sweep of Republican wins. There wasn&#039;t a Democrat to be seen in the state House, the state Senate, or any other statewide office. You&#039;d have to be good to win as a Democrat in Indiana - but Bayh was running largely on the reputation of his father, who appeared to be honest, industrious, intelligent, and hard-working. Undoubtedly, many of the voters were thinking, &quot;Yeah, he&#039;s young, but he has his father to call on, in case he runs into something.&quot;

I don&#039;t think Barack will make a very good president. I&#039;m an independent that leans far to the right, but it&#039;s not ideology that scares me about Barack; it&#039;s just there&#039;s just too much of the Chief Operating Officer in that job description. And Barack doesn&#039;t have a papa to phone in the middle of the night in case he needs to seek advice informally. 

But Huck&#039;s religiosity scares me a bit, McCain sees us in Iraq for a century, and Romney&#039;s an Amway salesman, slimy and untrustworthy. Paul&#039;s a racist, and Clinton voted to send our kids into Iran. 

In the end, people rarely vote for candidates; they vote against their opponents. I suspect it&#039;ll be a close election this fall, and Barack will beating Mac. That&#039;s the best I could hope for, but hardly what I want; I&#039;d kinda like Evan Bayh, with Dennis Kucinich as his veep. But they have no chance of winning. 

Hoosiers remember Birch Bayh, so Evan could win Republican votes in Indiana, but he&#039;s not the most electrifying campaigner. If it came down to listening to Bayh speak, and watching paint dry, even Hoosiers would choose the paint....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I liked about Evan Bayh, who dropped out of the election before he hardly even dropped in, was that he was a Democrat that Republicans like. </p>
<p>Son of Birch Bayh, the Vietnam-era anti-war senator, he was elected governor twice of Indiana before he ran for the US Senate, and he won handily every time.  A week before he was elected to the Governor&#8217;s seat the first time, they were interviewing Mutz?, his opponent, on the radio. It was a foregone conclusion that Bayh was going to win, and Mutz didn&#8217;t seem too upset about it. </p>
<p>You know, he said, Evan Bayh is the sort of young man that we really ought to encourage to go into politics. He&#8217;s eloquent, honest, intelligent, got a feel for the working man. The only reason, he said, to vote against him was that he was too young and inexperienced to be governor. In another 10 years, he&#8217;ll be perfect.  </p>
<p>Evan Bayh won election in Indiana, a state that had only a couple of years before had a sweep of Republican wins. There wasn&#8217;t a Democrat to be seen in the state House, the state Senate, or any other statewide office. You&#8217;d have to be good to win as a Democrat in Indiana &#8211; but Bayh was running largely on the reputation of his father, who appeared to be honest, industrious, intelligent, and hard-working. Undoubtedly, many of the voters were thinking, &#8220;Yeah, he&#8217;s young, but he has his father to call on, in case he runs into something.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Barack will make a very good president. I&#8217;m an independent that leans far to the right, but it&#8217;s not ideology that scares me about Barack; it&#8217;s just there&#8217;s just too much of the Chief Operating Officer in that job description. And Barack doesn&#8217;t have a papa to phone in the middle of the night in case he needs to seek advice informally. </p>
<p>But Huck&#8217;s religiosity scares me a bit, McCain sees us in Iraq for a century, and Romney&#8217;s an Amway salesman, slimy and untrustworthy. Paul&#8217;s a racist, and Clinton voted to send our kids into Iran. </p>
<p>In the end, people rarely vote for candidates; they vote against their opponents. I suspect it&#8217;ll be a close election this fall, and Barack will beating Mac. That&#8217;s the best I could hope for, but hardly what I want; I&#8217;d kinda like Evan Bayh, with Dennis Kucinich as his veep. But they have no chance of winning. </p>
<p>Hoosiers remember Birch Bayh, so Evan could win Republican votes in Indiana, but he&#8217;s not the most electrifying campaigner. If it came down to listening to Bayh speak, and watching paint dry, even Hoosiers would choose the paint&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: jonathan peterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonathan peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 02:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to my Cali friends, you should change your affiliation from independent to Decline To State so you can vote for the candidate you want to in primaries.  Apparently few californians have even heard of that option.

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_decline.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to my Cali friends, you should change your affiliation from independent to Decline To State so you can vote for the candidate you want to in primaries.  Apparently few californians have even heard of that option.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_decline.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_decline.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc Searls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brent, you may be right about Nader&#039;s role. I think it was critical, and a fateful in too many ways to know, much less measure. But I also believe that our country has not even begun to face the fact that the 2000 presidential election was a constituional failure — first of design (the electoral college is antique and wacky, among other things) and second of execution (the Supreme Court failed to make sure that Florida voting was counted as fairly and squarely and non-politically as possible, but instead it chose to certify a decision by a political appointee of the Republican candidate&#039;s brother). I doubt awakening or reform will happen in my lifetime. But it needs to happen. The system is broken, and the country has paid a terrible price for it already. And I&#039;m not saying that because I favor (or favored) Al Gore.

At the time Willy Brown, then the Mayor of San Francisco and one of the savviest pols in California history, said the race was between &quot;the incompetent and the insufferable&quot;. The incompetent won. We would have suffered less under the insufferable guy. At the very least it&#039;s clear that our response to 9/11, had it still occurred, would not have included going to war in Iraq.

I could go on, but... you know what I mean, I&#039;m sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brent, you may be right about Nader&#8217;s role. I think it was critical, and a fateful in too many ways to know, much less measure. But I also believe that our country has not even begun to face the fact that the 2000 presidential election was a constituional failure — first of design (the electoral college is antique and wacky, among other things) and second of execution (the Supreme Court failed to make sure that Florida voting was counted as fairly and squarely and non-politically as possible, but instead it chose to certify a decision by a political appointee of the Republican candidate&#8217;s brother). I doubt awakening or reform will happen in my lifetime. But it needs to happen. The system is broken, and the country has paid a terrible price for it already. And I&#8217;m not saying that because I favor (or favored) Al Gore.</p>
<p>At the time Willy Brown, then the Mayor of San Francisco and one of the savviest pols in California history, said the race was between &#8220;the incompetent and the insufferable&#8221;. The incompetent won. We would have suffered less under the insufferable guy. At the very least it&#8217;s clear that our response to 9/11, had it still occurred, would not have included going to war in Iraq.</p>
<p>I could go on, but&#8230; you know what I mean, I&#8217;m sure.</p>
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