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		<title>By: Doc Searls</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/02/22/what-will-be-us-20/comment-page-1/#comment-108144</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Searls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 02:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guess so Rakog. Let it crash, see what happens, and then deal with that.</description>
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		<title>By: Rakog Var</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/02/22/what-will-be-us-20/comment-page-1/#comment-108109</link>
		<dc:creator>Rakog Var</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>US 2.0 - what happens after we decide they&#039;re not writing the checks for Citibank, AIG, and GM/Ford/Chrysler any longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>US 2.0 &#8211; what happens after we decide they&#8217;re not writing the checks for Citibank, AIG, and GM/Ford/Chrysler any longer.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls Weblog &#183; With the emphasis on &#8220;by&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/02/22/what-will-be-us-20/comment-page-1/#comment-78194</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Searls Weblog &#183; With the emphasis on &#8220;by&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Destruction built into the system. But he might inspire US to build US 2.0 as Dave Winer and Doc Searls have been urging, an upgrade to USOS, the United States Operating [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Escapable Logic &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8220;We need guns. Lots of guns.&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/02/22/what-will-be-us-20/comment-page-1/#comment-28315</link>
		<dc:creator>Escapable Logic &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8220;We need guns. Lots of guns.&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Destruction built into the system. But he might inspire US to build US 2.0 as Dave Winer and Doc Searls have been urging, an upgrade to USOS, the United States Operating [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ed Theobald</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/02/22/what-will-be-us-20/comment-page-1/#comment-27959</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Theobald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doc -

I genuinely covet your inability to muster cynicism. Personally, I try to only view things critically - but often fall down the rabbit hole of cynicism :). Cynicism has it&#039;s place of course - as in the analysis of Cheneys motives. Obama is obviously smart, and is very probably well intentioned - but he is a product of our military-industrial-educational-state complex - and sees the world through the distorted lenses of a US superpower. (As do all of us to varying degrees). I do actually hold out hope with him - but I consider the probability of any significant change minimal. I refuse to vote for any candidate that appears to be chosen by our highly concentrated media powers. At one point 70% of American wanted the war over as soon as possible - yet all the candidates that *genuinely* support this are ignored and driven to the fringe.

John Quimby -

You refer to me as being &#039;of the revolutionary stripe&#039;. I can&#039;t help but chuckle. It&#039;s a wonderful point you make - though probably unintentional. To wit: I am simply suggesting that we apply the &#039;Golden Rule&#039; to our foreign policy - the good old &#039;Ethic of Reciprocity&#039; that many of us learned in Sunday school - and for this I&#039;m labeled &#039;revolutionary&#039;! How far we are indeed from a sensible foreign policy when simply exposing a noncompliance with a moral truism is considered revolutionary!

Thanks for all the good banter folks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc -</p>
<p>I genuinely covet your inability to muster cynicism. Personally, I try to only view things critically &#8211; but often fall down the rabbit hole of cynicism <img src='http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> . Cynicism has it&#8217;s place of course &#8211; as in the analysis of Cheneys motives. Obama is obviously smart, and is very probably well intentioned &#8211; but he is a product of our military-industrial-educational-state complex &#8211; and sees the world through the distorted lenses of a US superpower. (As do all of us to varying degrees). I do actually hold out hope with him &#8211; but I consider the probability of any significant change minimal. I refuse to vote for any candidate that appears to be chosen by our highly concentrated media powers. At one point 70% of American wanted the war over as soon as possible &#8211; yet all the candidates that *genuinely* support this are ignored and driven to the fringe.</p>
<p>John Quimby -</p>
<p>You refer to me as being &#8216;of the revolutionary stripe&#8217;. I can&#8217;t help but chuckle. It&#8217;s a wonderful point you make &#8211; though probably unintentional. To wit: I am simply suggesting that we apply the &#8216;Golden Rule&#8217; to our foreign policy &#8211; the good old &#8216;Ethic of Reciprocity&#8217; that many of us learned in Sunday school &#8211; and for this I&#8217;m labeled &#8216;revolutionary&#8217;! How far we are indeed from a sensible foreign policy when simply exposing a noncompliance with a moral truism is considered revolutionary!</p>
<p>Thanks for all the good banter folks.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/02/22/what-will-be-us-20/comment-page-1/#comment-27940</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Searls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 04:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll cop to having glazed eyes on this one.

Again, I listed three items I believe require attention and fresh treatment from the next president. None of it is anywhere near any candidate&#039;s policies or histories. Still, I see a better chance of getting what I&#039;m looking for Obama than from Hillary or McCain.

As for all of your concerns, hell, maybe you&#039;re right. 

But for now I just can&#039;t muster the cynicism. Much as every politician deserves it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll cop to having glazed eyes on this one.</p>
<p>Again, I listed three items I believe require attention and fresh treatment from the next president. None of it is anywhere near any candidate&#8217;s policies or histories. Still, I see a better chance of getting what I&#8217;m looking for Obama than from Hillary or McCain.</p>
<p>As for all of your concerns, hell, maybe you&#8217;re right. </p>
<p>But for now I just can&#8217;t muster the cynicism. Much as every politician deserves it.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Kellogg</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/02/22/what-will-be-us-20/comment-page-1/#comment-27938</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Kellogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 02:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama? McCain? That&#039;s not important. What matters in the long run is what we&#039;re now doing to prepare for the death of Russia. That is the one event that will shape the world in the 21st century, and for centuries to come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama? McCain? That&#8217;s not important. What matters in the long run is what we&#8217;re now doing to prepare for the death of Russia. That is the one event that will shape the world in the 21st century, and for centuries to come.</p>
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		<title>By: Carter F Smith</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/02/22/what-will-be-us-20/comment-page-1/#comment-27933</link>
		<dc:creator>Carter F Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, So I did do a blog after sleeping on it . . .
and I screwed up the link to Jay and Scott&#039;s work above -- here it is without the period (and a direct link, not one from memory): 

http://jayderagon.com/blog/?p=726

The bottom line is that all these politicians need is a crash course on relationships. In the marketplace, the reaction to someone who completely and totally offends your offering of a relationship is the removal of that offering, the commitment to take your business elsewhere, and (if they were really offensive) the commitment to report this offense to everyone you know, everyone they know, and as many people as you can by a variety of broadcast mediums. In government and politics, we have to wait a bit longer -- usually around four years. Nonetheless, we all remember the ways to get involved in politics from our American Government class, right? If you don&#039;t like the way you are represented, either jump on the bandwagon of someone you agree (more) with, or build your own bandwagon.

http://carterfsmith.blogspot.com/2008/02/arrrgghhh-all-those-years-studying.html

John Quimby,

No offense taken, I assure you. 

I agree, Obama is erasing our traditional race based assumptions about American politics (but for white Americans only). I think he&#039;s convincing many people that he crosses a variety of boundaries. I also think Doc should dig up his piece about the Matrix and make it a metaphor for politics so he can say I told you so when America ends up ultra-polarized after this all shakes out.

http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9161</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, So I did do a blog after sleeping on it . . .<br />
and I screwed up the link to Jay and Scott&#8217;s work above &#8212; here it is without the period (and a direct link, not one from memory): </p>
<p><a href="http://jayderagon.com/blog/?p=726" rel="nofollow">http://jayderagon.com/blog/?p=726</a></p>
<p>The bottom line is that all these politicians need is a crash course on relationships. In the marketplace, the reaction to someone who completely and totally offends your offering of a relationship is the removal of that offering, the commitment to take your business elsewhere, and (if they were really offensive) the commitment to report this offense to everyone you know, everyone they know, and as many people as you can by a variety of broadcast mediums. In government and politics, we have to wait a bit longer &#8212; usually around four years. Nonetheless, we all remember the ways to get involved in politics from our American Government class, right? If you don&#8217;t like the way you are represented, either jump on the bandwagon of someone you agree (more) with, or build your own bandwagon.</p>
<p><a href="http://carterfsmith.blogspot.com/2008/02/arrrgghhh-all-those-years-studying.html" rel="nofollow">http://carterfsmith.blogspot.com/2008/02/arrrgghhh-all-those-years-studying.html</a></p>
<p>John Quimby,</p>
<p>No offense taken, I assure you. </p>
<p>I agree, Obama is erasing our traditional race based assumptions about American politics (but for white Americans only). I think he&#8217;s convincing many people that he crosses a variety of boundaries. I also think Doc should dig up his piece about the Matrix and make it a metaphor for politics so he can say I told you so when America ends up ultra-polarized after this all shakes out.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9161" rel="nofollow">http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9161</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jay Deragon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/02/22/what-will-be-us-20/comment-page-1/#comment-27927</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Deragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first question in last night’s debate between Clinton and Obama was whether they, as President, would meet with the new Cuban leadership now that Castro has stepped down.

Clinton said that Cuba would have to first indicate that they were on a path to “real change”, and said how the Cuban people are “entitled” to democracy. She wouldn’t meet with them until they made certain policy changes. Obama, on the other hand, said that the idea that meeting with the President is some kind of privilege reinforces the idea that the U.S. is somehow above the rest of the world. He said that he absolutely would meet with them. Yes, human rights and democratization would be on the agenda, and that there would have to be preparation for the meeting, but that he wouldn’t put any preconditions on it.

Now, regardless of what your politics are – and this isn’t an endorsement of Obama over Clinton, but on this particular point, one might be completely horrified at Clinton’s response and applauded Obama’s. Obama is saying that we have to have a relationship in order to effect change. Clinton is saying that “they” have to change in order for us to have a relationship.

Is The Difference an Attitude?

Whether the President of the USA or the CEO of a large corporation, building relationships requires a conversation rather than a policy. Too many policies get in the way of having open and honest conversations from which both parties can learn the perspectives of the other and hopefully find common ground from which to establish a relationship.

Whomever we individually or collectively think we are none of us could possibly know everything needed to understand everyone. Arrogance is the fallacy of fools who believe they have learned and experienced everything life has to teach us. Sometimes, actually a lot of times, our own attitudes are our own worst enemy and until we can learn to have conversations with open minds nothing can be learned or gained.

How many times have employees and customers run into corporate policies that simply don’t make any sense or logic? Refer to yesterdays post about Jake McKee experience with American Airlines. Doc Searls talks often about how relationships create transactions and markets. How can we expand our world and solve problems of scarcity unless we’re willing to converse. Conversations start with a willingness to begin a relationships. That is the entire premise of The Relationship Economy.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first question in last night’s debate between Clinton and Obama was whether they, as President, would meet with the new Cuban leadership now that Castro has stepped down.</p>
<p>Clinton said that Cuba would have to first indicate that they were on a path to “real change”, and said how the Cuban people are “entitled” to democracy. She wouldn’t meet with them until they made certain policy changes. Obama, on the other hand, said that the idea that meeting with the President is some kind of privilege reinforces the idea that the U.S. is somehow above the rest of the world. He said that he absolutely would meet with them. Yes, human rights and democratization would be on the agenda, and that there would have to be preparation for the meeting, but that he wouldn’t put any preconditions on it.</p>
<p>Now, regardless of what your politics are – and this isn’t an endorsement of Obama over Clinton, but on this particular point, one might be completely horrified at Clinton’s response and applauded Obama’s. Obama is saying that we have to have a relationship in order to effect change. Clinton is saying that “they” have to change in order for us to have a relationship.</p>
<p>Is The Difference an Attitude?</p>
<p>Whether the President of the USA or the CEO of a large corporation, building relationships requires a conversation rather than a policy. Too many policies get in the way of having open and honest conversations from which both parties can learn the perspectives of the other and hopefully find common ground from which to establish a relationship.</p>
<p>Whomever we individually or collectively think we are none of us could possibly know everything needed to understand everyone. Arrogance is the fallacy of fools who believe they have learned and experienced everything life has to teach us. Sometimes, actually a lot of times, our own attitudes are our own worst enemy and until we can learn to have conversations with open minds nothing can be learned or gained.</p>
<p>How many times have employees and customers run into corporate policies that simply don’t make any sense or logic? Refer to yesterdays post about Jake McKee experience with American Airlines. Doc Searls talks often about how relationships create transactions and markets. How can we expand our world and solve problems of scarcity unless we’re willing to converse. Conversations start with a willingness to begin a relationships. That is the entire premise of The Relationship Economy.</p>
<p>What say you?</p>
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		<title>By: John Quimby</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/02/22/what-will-be-us-20/comment-page-1/#comment-27915</link>
		<dc:creator>John Quimby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 06:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed Theobold,

You truly are of the revolutionary stripe and I appreciate your critical eyes and ears

Arguing against a return to America&#039;s Constitutional foundation would be foolish and I suspect that Ron Paul is near and dear to your heart. By all means let&#039;s surrender the empire and be the Republic we were meant to be. In my biased frame of reference the absolutist policy of one party has already resulted in a near collapse of Constitutional law at home and the demise of rational foreign policy away. 

I am also not interested in trading the Neo-Con right for the &quot;Hard War&quot; policy of some on the left.  That is why Obama&#039;s call for Union is so galvanizing to me. It seems to be the only real, if imperfect, way forward.  

carterfsmith - 

I would respectfully ask you to consider that Obama is erasing our traditional race based assumptions about American politics. The Clintons are finding that a lot of the African American support they thought they owned has deserted a plantation they cultivated for years. Many will now find that their assumptions about what it means to be black in America has changed.

I don&#039;t wish to offend anyone. You have my loyalty and respect. 
But I know for sure that the sands of time are running.  

Change is coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed Theobold,</p>
<p>You truly are of the revolutionary stripe and I appreciate your critical eyes and ears</p>
<p>Arguing against a return to America&#8217;s Constitutional foundation would be foolish and I suspect that Ron Paul is near and dear to your heart. By all means let&#8217;s surrender the empire and be the Republic we were meant to be. In my biased frame of reference the absolutist policy of one party has already resulted in a near collapse of Constitutional law at home and the demise of rational foreign policy away. </p>
<p>I am also not interested in trading the Neo-Con right for the &#8220;Hard War&#8221; policy of some on the left.  That is why Obama&#8217;s call for Union is so galvanizing to me. It seems to be the only real, if imperfect, way forward.  </p>
<p>carterfsmith &#8211; </p>
<p>I would respectfully ask you to consider that Obama is erasing our traditional race based assumptions about American politics. The Clintons are finding that a lot of the African American support they thought they owned has deserted a plantation they cultivated for years. Many will now find that their assumptions about what it means to be black in America has changed.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t wish to offend anyone. You have my loyalty and respect.<br />
But I know for sure that the sands of time are running.  </p>
<p>Change is coming.</p>
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