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	<title>Comments on: The Turing Test gets harder</title>
	<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/19/the-turing-test-gets-harder/</link>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sue Zanzonico</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/19/the-turing-test-gets-harder/#comment-52439</link>
		<author>Sue Zanzonico</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 02:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/19/the-turing-test-gets-harder/#comment-52439</guid>
		<description>Interesting blog and yes, I'm human, honest.  I have Askimet on my wordpress and it filters out alot of spam comments very well.  Some are very bad.  I go in an approve certain comments.  I didn't know the part that a spam comment can actually "infect" and ruin the blog. It amazes me that people put their energy into these types of activities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting blog and yes, I&#8217;m human, honest.  I have Askimet on my wordpress and it filters out alot of spam comments very well.  Some are very bad.  I go in an approve certain comments.  I didn&#8217;t know the part that a spam comment can actually &#8220;infect&#8221; and ruin the blog. It amazes me that people put their energy into these types of activities.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Winter</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/19/the-turing-test-gets-harder/#comment-50969</link>
		<author>Ben Winter</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 07:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/19/the-turing-test-gets-harder/#comment-50969</guid>
		<description>What I notice on all of them is that the replies are often from people who end with 'please see my blog' and an obvious blog that sells something. It is clear they just accessed the blog to advertise to you and never read it. Are all the people with blogs going round clicking on each others blogs just to increase ratings or what? I can't see what good it would do as surely nobody is going to go see adverts on most of this stuff. I've heard of a plugin called Askimet which comes with the standard download of WordPress for the last few versions. It will help you control spam comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I notice on all of them is that the replies are often from people who end with &#8216;please see my blog&#8217; and an obvious blog that sells something. It is clear they just accessed the blog to advertise to you and never read it. Are all the people with blogs going round clicking on each others blogs just to increase ratings or what? I can&#8217;t see what good it would do as surely nobody is going to go see adverts on most of this stuff. I&#8217;ve heard of a plugin called Askimet which comes with the standard download of WordPress for the last few versions. It will help you control spam comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea Vascellari</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/19/the-turing-test-gets-harder/#comment-41988</link>
		<author>Andrea Vascellari</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/19/the-turing-test-gets-harder/#comment-41988</guid>
		<description>I just commented about it here http://tinyurl.com/4t6xgp and here http://tinyurl.com/4p4ean 

Yes like you said it seems cruel but on the other hand it's understandable...

Andrea</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just commented about it here <a href="http://tinyurl.com/4t6xgp" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/4t6xgp</a> and here <a href="http://tinyurl.com/4p4ean" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/4p4ean</a> </p>
<p>Yes like you said it seems cruel but on the other hand it&#8217;s understandable&#8230;</p>
<p>Andrea</p>
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		<title>By: Schrödinger&#8217;s Movie &#171; Zero influence</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/19/the-turing-test-gets-harder/#comment-41893</link>
		<author>Schrödinger&#8217;s Movie &#171; Zero influence</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/19/the-turing-test-gets-harder/#comment-41893</guid>
		<description>[...] in the notions of authorship. It can be argued that authorship maintains our identity as humans. Crosbie and Doc Searles may debate that synthesis of human authorship is almost upon us. Though Andrea may not [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] in the notions of authorship. It can be argued that authorship maintains our identity as humans. Crosbie and Doc Searles may debate that synthesis of human authorship is almost upon us. Though Andrea may not [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Ben James</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/19/the-turing-test-gets-harder/#comment-40747</link>
		<author>Ben James</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/19/the-turing-test-gets-harder/#comment-40747</guid>
		<description>These splog comments remind me of horoscopes in their vagueness. If you believe in astrology, you start reading a horsocope assuming that it relates to your life. You subconsciously make links between what is written, and events in your life which the writer couldn't possibly have known about.

If a comment is a vague as calling a post "nice", "comprehensive" or any other adjective describing the way you wrote the post and not its actual content, there's nothing to tell you otherwise if you're already assuming that it relates to what you wrote.

If you read every comment on a 'guilty until proven innocent' basis, waiting to see something that proves the author read and understood your post, the success rate in rejecting splot bait ought to be higher.

Not only would this be at odds with our human tendency to be trusting, but would probably lead to genuine people's comments being rejected and thus the spammers will have stolen yet more from us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These splog comments remind me of horoscopes in their vagueness. If you believe in astrology, you start reading a horsocope assuming that it relates to your life. You subconsciously make links between what is written, and events in your life which the writer couldn&#8217;t possibly have known about.</p>
<p>If a comment is a vague as calling a post &#8220;nice&#8221;, &#8220;comprehensive&#8221; or any other adjective describing the way you wrote the post and not its actual content, there&#8217;s nothing to tell you otherwise if you&#8217;re already assuming that it relates to what you wrote.</p>
<p>If you read every comment on a &#8216;guilty until proven innocent&#8217; basis, waiting to see something that proves the author read and understood your post, the success rate in rejecting splot bait ought to be higher.</p>
<p>Not only would this be at odds with our human tendency to be trusting, but would probably lead to genuine people&#8217;s comments being rejected and thus the spammers will have stolen yet more from us.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Fields</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/19/the-turing-test-gets-harder/#comment-40656</link>
		<author>Adam Fields</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 17:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/19/the-turing-test-gets-harder/#comment-40656</guid>
		<description>Nice post! I love this. Thanks to sharing!

(okay, not helpful, I know.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post! I love this. Thanks to sharing!</p>
<p>(okay, not helpful, I know.)</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/19/the-turing-test-gets-harder/#comment-40626</link>
		<author>Doc Searls</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/19/the-turing-test-gets-harder/#comment-40626</guid>
		<description>J,

Two nights ago, Jonathan Zittrain showed how armies of low-paid workers in countries that offered no better options labor all day deciphering captchas for evil masters. Thus human components are employed in the midst of an otherwise robotic chain designed to defeat a system with a security component based on readability only by humans. 

That's why I'm the captcha. First-time comments by everybody go through moderation, which is me. If the comment looks like it came from a human without evil motives, I usually approve. Right now I have four, including the two I wrote about here, that I've "defered" until I make a decision at some point.

Sometimes I'll write back to the sender and ask if they're human. But I shouldn't have to bother.

Anyway, go refigure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J,</p>
<p>Two nights ago, Jonathan Zittrain showed how armies of low-paid workers in countries that offered no better options labor all day deciphering captchas for evil masters. Thus human components are employed in the midst of an otherwise robotic chain designed to defeat a system with a security component based on readability only by humans. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m the captcha. First-time comments by everybody go through moderation, which is me. If the comment looks like it came from a human without evil motives, I usually approve. Right now I have four, including the two I wrote about here, that I&#8217;ve &#8220;defered&#8221; until I make a decision at some point.</p>
<p>Sometimes I&#8217;ll write back to the sender and ask if they&#8217;re human. But I shouldn&#8217;t have to bother.</p>
<p>Anyway, go refigure.</p>
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		<title>By: J Wood</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/19/the-turing-test-gets-harder/#comment-40209</link>
		<author>J Wood</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/19/the-turing-test-gets-harder/#comment-40209</guid>
		<description>- ctrl-f
- Find: captcha
- Phrase not found

Maybe I'm missing something, and if I am please set me straight, but isn't captcha designed to keep that sort of splogging from occurring in the first place?  Or can captcha not be implemented on your blog?  Or is captcha too easily gamed as well?

I was getting all kinds of crazy splogging from Russia on a wiki I run for work (it was my first wiki).  After putting in a captcha module, I stopped finding orphaned pages selling sex aids and office bazookas.  Problem solved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>- ctrl-f<br />
- Find: captcha<br />
- Phrase not found</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m missing something, and if I am please set me straight, but isn&#8217;t captcha designed to keep that sort of splogging from occurring in the first place?  Or can captcha not be implemented on your blog?  Or is captcha too easily gamed as well?</p>
<p>I was getting all kinds of crazy splogging from Russia on a wiki I run for work (it was my first wiki).  After putting in a captcha module, I stopped finding orphaned pages selling sex aids and office bazookas.  Problem solved.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/19/the-turing-test-gets-harder/#comment-40145</link>
		<author>Doc Searls</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/19/the-turing-test-gets-harder/#comment-40145</guid>
		<description>Crosbie,

They're not all harmless. If all the bots were did was game AdSense it would be bad enough, but by passing the Turing Test, some of those comments can carry malware code, or open the path for it.

Last year my daughter and I both lost blogs when malware came into Searls.com via comment spam. Something Bad got into the server, set up a spam relay in our mail server, and did other Bad Things.

I don't know all the dangers here, though maybe my colleagues at &lt;a href="http://www.stopbadware.org/home" rel="nofollow"&gt;StopBadware&lt;/a&gt; can chime in. But I am sure the dangers are real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crosbie,</p>
<p>They&#8217;re not all harmless. If all the bots were did was game AdSense it would be bad enough, but by passing the Turing Test, some of those comments can carry malware code, or open the path for it.</p>
<p>Last year my daughter and I both lost blogs when malware came into Searls.com via comment spam. Something Bad got into the server, set up a spam relay in our mail server, and did other Bad Things.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know all the dangers here, though maybe my colleagues at <a href="http://www.stopbadware.org/home" rel="nofollow">StopBadware</a> can chime in. But I am sure the dangers are real.</p>
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		<title>By: PXLated</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/19/the-turing-test-gets-harder/#comment-40024</link>
		<author>PXLated</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/19/the-turing-test-gets-harder/#comment-40024</guid>
		<description>Ya, it's crazy. Some are really, really hard to judge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya, it&#8217;s crazy. Some are really, really hard to judge.</p>
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