Comments on: Continuing loss of Face(book) http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/28/continuing-loss-of-facebook/ Same old blog, brand new place Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:29:45 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5.2 hourly 1 By: Doc Searls http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/28/continuing-loss-of-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-95027 Doc Searls Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:54:57 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/28/continuing-loss-of-facebook/#comment-95027 Caroline, It's been a few months since I wrote this, and I don't know why I used the term "patients" in the first sentence. My nickname may be Doc, but I'm not a doctor. I don't have patients in the literal sense. I guess I meant people waiting patiently, or something. I also haven't looked at Facebook in a long time. Let's see... Oy. I have 237 friend requests, plus a large pile of other crap in the queue. I think I'll ignore it all. Caroline,

It’s been a few months since I wrote this, and I don’t know why I used the term “patients” in the first sentence. My nickname may be Doc, but I’m not a doctor. I don’t have patients in the literal sense. I guess I meant people waiting patiently, or something.

I also haven’t looked at Facebook in a long time. Let’s see…

Oy. I have 237 friend requests, plus a large pile of other crap in the queue. I think I’ll ignore it all.

]]> By: Caroline http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/28/continuing-loss-of-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-94858 Caroline Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:36:45 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/28/continuing-loss-of-facebook/#comment-94858 I'm curious about your decision to allow your patients on as friends. What made you decide to try it and do you regret it? I'm a teacher with a surprising amount of students who wish to be my friends. I said no to one once and have always felt bad. Now, I just leave them in the cue while I try to make a decision. I’m curious about your decision to allow your patients on as friends. What made you decide to try it and do you regret it? I’m a teacher with a surprising amount of students who wish to be my friends. I said no to one once and have always felt bad. Now, I just leave them in the cue while I try to make a decision.

]]> By: Doc Searls http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/28/continuing-loss-of-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-43258 Doc Searls Thu, 01 May 2008 02:07:08 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/28/continuing-loss-of-facebook/#comment-43258 Logan, Facebook still doesn't remember me. It was down this morning, but it's up now, and seems faster. It's still a silo. And I still think there have to be Better Ways. And not just one of them. Logan,

Facebook still doesn’t remember me. It was down this morning, but it’s up now, and seems faster.

It’s still a silo. And I still think there have to be Better Ways. And not just one of them.

]]> By: Logan Greenlee http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/28/continuing-loss-of-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-43207 Logan Greenlee Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:02:32 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/28/continuing-loss-of-facebook/#comment-43207 I'm particularly sensitive to user interface issues and I can't say that I've had a similar experience. Facebook does remember you for at least 5 minutes (in my brief testing ha ha) - if you login frequently (which is the normal use case for 99% of the users) then it should be fine. I think the cookie used to expire after 2 weeks. The multiple select feature is interesting. It probably has not been added because most people including the developers, don't use facebook in "batch" mode. I'm guessing most people login multiple times a day or at least a few times a week. It's interesting that you bring up performance - I used to use MySpace (truly a backwater part of the web) and friendster. Both of these sites have had major growing pains in the performance and availability arena. I cannot remember the last time I had issues with Facebook however. Also, the confirm friend box should change shape and I also thought that the button changes to grey while your request is processing. I’m particularly sensitive to user interface issues and I can’t say that I’ve had a similar experience.

Facebook does remember you for at least 5 minutes (in my brief testing ha ha) – if you login frequently (which is the normal use case for 99% of the users) then it should be fine. I think the cookie used to expire after 2 weeks.

The multiple select feature is interesting. It probably has not been added because most people including the developers, don’t use facebook in “batch” mode. I’m guessing most people login multiple times a day or at least a few times a week.

It’s interesting that you bring up performance – I used to use MySpace (truly a backwater part of the web) and friendster. Both of these sites have had major growing pains in the performance and availability arena. I cannot remember the last time I had issues with Facebook however.

Also, the confirm friend box should change shape and I also thought that the button changes to grey while your request is processing.

]]> By: Doc Searls http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/28/continuing-loss-of-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-42502 Doc Searls Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:39:53 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/28/continuing-loss-of-facebook/#comment-42502 Well, Carter, not everything needs to be monetized. It's still early. We still design first for giantism. Odd, but understandably so. Well, Carter, not everything needs to be monetized.

It’s still early. We still design first for giantism. Odd, but understandably so.

]]> By: carterfsmith http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/28/continuing-loss-of-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-42444 carterfsmith Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:11:56 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/28/continuing-loss-of-facebook/#comment-42444 I'm guessing you didn't try out the new FB chat feature, then. :-) I think Google or Microhoo can build a better (and bigger) silo but they still have to monetize it, right? I’m guessing you didn’t try out the new FB chat feature, then. :-) I think Google or Microhoo can build a better (and bigger) silo but they still have to monetize it, right?

]]> By: Doc Searls http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/28/continuing-loss-of-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-42386 Doc Searls Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:38:39 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/28/continuing-loss-of-facebook/#comment-42386 Doug, I'm assume the reason is to hold eyeballs still while subjecting them to advertising. But I don't know. Or care much any more. Doug, I’m assume the reason is to hold eyeballs still while subjecting them to advertising. But I don’t know. Or care much any more.

]]> By: Jim http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/28/continuing-loss-of-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-42385 Jim Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:36:49 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/28/continuing-loss-of-facebook/#comment-42385 Twitter's similarly annoying. For a while it seemed that Fb was adding functionality that rendered the occasional app obsolete, but you still need to weed through all the spam apps to find one that really adds something. I've never bothered to look through the Twitter apps, I don't have time to do all this. And yes, Facebook has never once remembered me, though I tell it to every time. Twitter’s similarly annoying. For a while it seemed that Fb was adding functionality that rendered the occasional app obsolete, but you still need to weed through all the spam apps to find one that really adds something. I’ve never bothered to look through the Twitter apps, I don’t have time to do all this.

And yes, Facebook has never once remembered me, though I tell it to every time.

]]> By: Doug http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/28/continuing-loss-of-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-42383 Doug Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:07:49 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/28/continuing-loss-of-facebook/#comment-42383 Doc, Do you think that something like batch friend approvals would diminish the amount of page-clicks/views in the over-all site total? Could this just be a "wanting to keep up with the myspace's" and not caring about the users? Just curious Doc,

Do you think that something like batch friend approvals would diminish the amount of page-clicks/views in the over-all site total? Could this just be a “wanting to keep up with the myspace’s” and not caring about the users?

Just curious

]]> By: Mike Warot http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/28/continuing-loss-of-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-42379 Mike Warot Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:52:56 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/04/28/continuing-loss-of-facebook/#comment-42379 We're stuck with silos because they take care of some of the threats for us, and make it safer to do things we can't otherwise do. For example, we use Flickr to share photos, because we can trust them to only be Photos (or videos) that have been through their resizing engines and are thus safe. Links to random images and videos on the internet aren't safe because they could kill your PC in any number of ways. The silos are only going to get more prevalent as the ends of the internet are increasingly attacked by the mafia, etc., and our options narrow. Metcalfe's law for the internet no longer applies because we've allowed the nodes of the network to be crippled. --Mike-- We’re stuck with silos because they take care of some of the threats for us, and make it safer to do things we can’t otherwise do.

For example, we use Flickr to share photos, because we can trust them to only be Photos (or videos) that have been through their resizing engines and are thus safe.

Links to random images and videos on the internet aren’t safe because they could kill your PC in any number of ways.

The silos are only going to get more prevalent as the ends of the internet are increasingly attacked by the mafia, etc., and our options narrow.

Metcalfe’s law for the internet no longer applies because we’ve allowed the nodes of the network to be crippled.

–Mike–

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