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		<title>By: Andy Jackson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/05/05/story-vs-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-51939</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 22:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The analogy between McCain/Hagee and Obama/Wright doesn&#039;t quite hold up. McCain didn&#039;t sit in Hagee&#039;s church for 20 years listening to sermons.

Seeking an endorsement from a questionable character is orders of magnitude different from being a follower of a questionable character. In fact, the second option begs questions of Obama&#039;s character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The analogy between McCain/Hagee and Obama/Wright doesn&#8217;t quite hold up. McCain didn&#8217;t sit in Hagee&#8217;s church for 20 years listening to sermons.</p>
<p>Seeking an endorsement from a questionable character is orders of magnitude different from being a follower of a questionable character. In fact, the second option begs questions of Obama&#8217;s character.</p>
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		<title>By: John Quimby</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/05/05/story-vs-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-49036</link>
		<dc:creator>John Quimby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 01:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For centuries, white men of a certain class lit cigars in the drawing room and discussed politics.  No women or colored people need be considered. Times change.  Reasons change.

My mother is 85 years old.  She grew up in Washington DC and has been interested in poiitics her entire life.  We spoke about the election and Hillary Clinton recently.  She said, &quot;you know I met Elanor Roosevelt when I was a girl.  I loved her - she was my inspiration.  I have always hoped I would see a woman become president before I die.  But not THAT woman.&quot; 

Voters must discriminate. We must look at our ballot and say, &quot;I choose this one. Not that one.&quot; Discrimination by gender or race is one thing.  Discrimination by reason is another.  And It can be a very fine line.  

People are weighing their choices carefully today and this suggests new and deeper reasoning by large numbers of people. I don&#039;t suggest we&#039;re blind to color or gender but something fundamental has changed because we&#039;re not making our choice between two white men in this election.   

I think one candidate has done a good job of expressing the idea that we can vote - not for what we are - but for what we believe in.  It&#039;s not about race.  It&#039;s not about gender. That is the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For centuries, white men of a certain class lit cigars in the drawing room and discussed politics.  No women or colored people need be considered. Times change.  Reasons change.</p>
<p>My mother is 85 years old.  She grew up in Washington DC and has been interested in poiitics her entire life.  We spoke about the election and Hillary Clinton recently.  She said, &#8220;you know I met Elanor Roosevelt when I was a girl.  I loved her &#8211; she was my inspiration.  I have always hoped I would see a woman become president before I die.  But not THAT woman.&#8221; </p>
<p>Voters must discriminate. We must look at our ballot and say, &#8220;I choose this one. Not that one.&#8221; Discrimination by gender or race is one thing.  Discrimination by reason is another.  And It can be a very fine line.  </p>
<p>People are weighing their choices carefully today and this suggests new and deeper reasoning by large numbers of people. I don&#8217;t suggest we&#8217;re blind to color or gender but something fundamental has changed because we&#8217;re not making our choice between two white men in this election.   </p>
<p>I think one candidate has done a good job of expressing the idea that we can vote &#8211; not for what we are &#8211; but for what we believe in.  It&#8217;s not about race.  It&#8217;s not about gender. That is the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Lewis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/05/05/story-vs-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-48866</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 10:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had written some tıme ago at hakpaksak.wordpress.com about how Doc had dragged me kicking and screaming first onto the internet (compuserve) and later into blogging (hakpaksak and www.bubkes.org), and finally ınto the world of podcasting.  In turn, I recommend to all and sundry that Bill Moyers Journal be among the essential podcasts they listen to. Moyers&#039;s honesty, insight, and integrity-based progressive politics sharpen as the years pass. What a pity we do not have politcians or a sufficient number of mainstream journalists who measure up to him.  SL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had written some tıme ago at&nbsp;<a href="http://hakpaksak.wordpress.com" title="http://hakpaksak.wordpress. " target="_blank">hakpaksak.wordpress.com</a> about how Doc had dragged me kicking and screaming first onto the internet (compuserve) and later into blogging (hakpaksak and <a href="http://www.bubkes.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.bubkes.org</a>), and finally ınto the world of podcasting.  In turn, I recommend to all and sundry that Bill Moyers Journal be among the essential podcasts they listen to. Moyers&#8217;s honesty, insight, and integrity-based progressive politics sharpen as the years pass. What a pity we do not have politcians or a sufficient number of mainstream journalists who measure up to him.  SL</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Warot</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/05/05/story-vs-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-48446</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Warot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 18:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh, I hate those typos that don&#039;t show up until after you&#039;re committed.

Hillary proposed a tax holiday on our fuel for cars... 

I hope everyone can forgive that, and the other typo(s).

  --Mike--</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh, I hate those typos that don&#8217;t show up until after you&#8217;re committed.</p>
<p>Hillary proposed a tax holiday on our fuel for cars&#8230; </p>
<p>I hope everyone can forgive that, and the other typo(s).</p>
<p>  &#8211;Mike&#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Warot</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/05/05/story-vs-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-48325</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Warot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 15:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;ve voted for Obama... and now it&#039;s time explain why a bit more.

The Clinton&#039;s believe in Triangulation as a way to win. The idea is that there is a spectrum of opinion about any given subject, the best way to make a deal is to stake out a position the proper distance from the extremes, and get to a happy medium.

Triangulation is worship of a false god. It&#039;s profane, and profoundly misguided.

People have opinions on a wide variety of subjects. There&#039;s no logical consistency to it, let alone any kind of continuous spectrum to choose from. There is no &quot;liberal&quot; mindset. It exists only in the pigeonhole that people try to push us into.

From this, it&#039;s no small stretch to assume that there is no single rational model of the world. We don&#039;t all think about things the same way. We&#039;re all different (but I&#039;m not!)

Instead of worrying about the right thing to do, the triangulation cultist worry about where they are relative to the mythical &quot;mainstream&quot; and try to maintain the strategic position relative to it.

If we all believe that slavery was a good thing, Hillary would be for cutting taxes on the chains because the price of steel from China went up... she&#039;d propose a slave chain tax holiday. The issue of slavery won&#039;t be part of the picture.

Think I&#039;m being absurd? Well, we&#039;re all slaves to our cars, and Hillary just proposed a tax on the fuel for our cars. She doesn&#039;t even consider that perhaps there&#039;s a bigger issue to be resolved here... the &quot;non-negotiable American Way of Life&quot;

We need leaders who don&#039;t just triangulate, we need to move away from the myopic vision of politics as usual, and to step back and look at the big picture, and least try to do the right thing, for a change.

  --Mike--</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;ve voted for Obama&#8230; and now it&#8217;s time explain why a bit more.</p>
<p>The Clinton&#8217;s believe in Triangulation as a way to win. The idea is that there is a spectrum of opinion about any given subject, the best way to make a deal is to stake out a position the proper distance from the extremes, and get to a happy medium.</p>
<p>Triangulation is worship of a false god. It&#8217;s profane, and profoundly misguided.</p>
<p>People have opinions on a wide variety of subjects. There&#8217;s no logical consistency to it, let alone any kind of continuous spectrum to choose from. There is no &#8220;liberal&#8221; mindset. It exists only in the pigeonhole that people try to push us into.</p>
<p>From this, it&#8217;s no small stretch to assume that there is no single rational model of the world. We don&#8217;t all think about things the same way. We&#8217;re all different (but I&#8217;m not!)</p>
<p>Instead of worrying about the right thing to do, the triangulation cultist worry about where they are relative to the mythical &#8220;mainstream&#8221; and try to maintain the strategic position relative to it.</p>
<p>If we all believe that slavery was a good thing, Hillary would be for cutting taxes on the chains because the price of steel from China went up&#8230; she&#8217;d propose a slave chain tax holiday. The issue of slavery won&#8217;t be part of the picture.</p>
<p>Think I&#8217;m being absurd? Well, we&#8217;re all slaves to our cars, and Hillary just proposed a tax on the fuel for our cars. She doesn&#8217;t even consider that perhaps there&#8217;s a bigger issue to be resolved here&#8230; the &#8220;non-negotiable American Way of Life&#8221;</p>
<p>We need leaders who don&#8217;t just triangulate, we need to move away from the myopic vision of politics as usual, and to step back and look at the big picture, and least try to do the right thing, for a change.</p>
<p>  &#8211;Mike&#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Warot</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/05/05/story-vs-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-47771</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Warot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 04:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doc, it seems to me that Hillary is PANDERING 24/7/365... the latest Gas Tax Holiday stunt is yet another attempt to buy off voters with their own money.  I wish I could believe it&#039;s going to be ok when she uses the Nuclear option to steal the election at the convention... but I know better.

My favorite candidate, the one who has helped us slowly transition away from the Federal Reserve Note (by stealth in 1985)... Ron Paul, has been successfully ignored to death by the corporate driven media.

Barack really was lesser of evils until the Wright thing broke the first time... his dealing with it head on, and Writing His Own Speech really did it for me. It takes time and effort to get things just right, and he nailed it. He&#039;s smart, and he cares about doing things the right way, instead of the easy way.

That&#039;s why we&#039;re both voting for Obama in the morning.

--Mike--</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc, it seems to me that Hillary is PANDERING 24/7/365&#8230; the latest Gas Tax Holiday stunt is yet another attempt to buy off voters with their own money.  I wish I could believe it&#8217;s going to be ok when she uses the Nuclear option to steal the election at the convention&#8230; but I know better.</p>
<p>My favorite candidate, the one who has helped us slowly transition away from the Federal Reserve Note (by stealth in 1985)&#8230; Ron Paul, has been successfully ignored to death by the corporate driven media.</p>
<p>Barack really was lesser of evils until the Wright thing broke the first time&#8230; his dealing with it head on, and Writing His Own Speech really did it for me. It takes time and effort to get things just right, and he nailed it. He&#8217;s smart, and he cares about doing things the right way, instead of the easy way.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why we&#8217;re both voting for Obama in the morning.</p>
<p>&#8211;Mike&#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/05/05/story-vs-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-47711</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Searls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 02:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, I know a number of people who know Hillary personally. All of them are crazy about her. 

I can&#039;t say the same for all the people I know who also know Barack Obama. 

Mike, what makes you say &quot;she’s shifty and spineless and only in it for power&quot; ?

How is anybody with the gall to run for President &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; in it for the power, at least in some sense?

Here is a test: Is it possible to ignore Hillary&#039;s gender or Barack&#039;s race?

We can ignore both with McCain, no? What does that say?

I have what I regard as a positive racial reason for favoring Barack: I want us to get past race as a divisive issue, and I think electing him would be a good way to do that. But::: Is that not also a kind of racism? I have to wonder.

Race shouldn&#039;t matter. Gender shouldn&#039;t matter. But they do.

It&#039;s hard to celebrate what makes us unique without dividing us on the same grounds. Easier said than done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I know a number of people who know Hillary personally. All of them are crazy about her. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say the same for all the people I know who also know Barack Obama. </p>
<p>Mike, what makes you say &#8220;she’s shifty and spineless and only in it for power&#8221; ?</p>
<p>How is anybody with the gall to run for President <i>not</i> in it for the power, at least in some sense?</p>
<p>Here is a test: Is it possible to ignore Hillary&#8217;s gender or Barack&#8217;s race?</p>
<p>We can ignore both with McCain, no? What does that say?</p>
<p>I have what I regard as a positive racial reason for favoring Barack: I want us to get past race as a divisive issue, and I think electing him would be a good way to do that. But::: Is that not also a kind of racism? I have to wonder.</p>
<p>Race shouldn&#8217;t matter. Gender shouldn&#8217;t matter. But they do.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to celebrate what makes us unique without dividing us on the same grounds. Easier said than done.</p>
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		<title>By: GeekMommy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/05/05/story-vs-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-47324</link>
		<dc:creator>GeekMommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 17:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I have to *disagree* with Mike... because if it were about &quot;this woman&quot; then Pat Schroeder wouldn&#039;t have gotten crucified for crying when she withdrew from a Presidential race.

Why aren&#039;t more women running for the oval office? It&#039;s not like they aren&#039;t represented in the congress, senate and governors&#039; offices across the country... it&#039;s because they will always be described as &quot;this woman&quot;.

I respect the hell out of both Obama and Clinton for running despite knowing that every time someone brought up their stances on the issues, someone else would only be looking at the color of their skin or their gender.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I have to *disagree* with Mike&#8230; because if it were about &#8220;this woman&#8221; then Pat Schroeder wouldn&#8217;t have gotten crucified for crying when she withdrew from a Presidential race.</p>
<p>Why aren&#8217;t more women running for the oval office? It&#8217;s not like they aren&#8217;t represented in the congress, senate and governors&#8217; offices across the country&#8230; it&#8217;s because they will always be described as &#8220;this woman&#8221;.</p>
<p>I respect the hell out of both Obama and Clinton for running despite knowing that every time someone brought up their stances on the issues, someone else would only be looking at the color of their skin or their gender.</p>
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		<title>By: John Handelaar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/05/05/story-vs-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-47292</link>
		<dc:creator>John Handelaar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 17:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strictly speaking, Germany and the UK (and New Zealand) didn&#039;t elect female heads of state, just heads of government.

Though the UK and New Zealand do have a woman for head of state, nobody voted for her.

&lt;/anal_retentive&gt;

Ireland&#039;s now on its second successive female head of state (she&#039;s halfway through her second and final term).  A man hasn&#039;t held the position since 1990.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strictly speaking, Germany and the UK (and New Zealand) didn&#8217;t elect female heads of state, just heads of government.</p>
<p>Though the UK and New Zealand do have a woman for head of state, nobody voted for her.</p>
<p>&lt;/anal_retentive&gt;</p>
<p>Ireland&#8217;s now on its second successive female head of state (she&#8217;s halfway through her second and final term).  A man hasn&#8217;t held the position since 1990.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Dick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Dick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 16:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From your friendly proofreader -- wasn&#039;t that Microsoft-Netscape article from 1995, not 2005?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From your friendly proofreader &#8212; wasn&#8217;t that Microsoft-Netscape article from 1995, not 2005?</p>
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