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		<title>By: &#187; Diigo Bookmarks 05/14/2008 (a.m.) Yule Heibel&#8217;s Post Studio © 2003-2008</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/05/13/handbasket-weaving/comment-page-1/#comment-78212</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Diigo Bookmarks 05/14/2008 (a.m.) Yule Heibel&#8217;s Post Studio © 2003-2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 06:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] blog, or on the CEOs for Cities blog, or even on Doc Searls&#8217;s blog (see his recent piece, Handbasket weaving on the Berkman blog, or his infrastructure-related pieces in Linux [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] blog, or on the CEOs for Cities blog, or even on Doc Searls&#8217;s blog (see his recent piece, Handbasket weaving on the Berkman blog, or his infrastructure-related pieces in Linux [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John A Arkansawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>John A Arkansawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 00:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m looking at that Madison quote and thinking about the dreadful state of the public schools.

In California, it&#039;s because the state (via Prop. 13) has let them rot.

Nationally, in no small part it&#039;s because Texas is allowed to set the agenda for national textbooks.

James Madison isn&#039;t looking so good to me right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m looking at that Madison quote and thinking about the dreadful state of the public schools.</p>
<p>In California, it&#8217;s because the state (via Prop. 13) has let them rot.</p>
<p>Nationally, in no small part it&#8217;s because Texas is allowed to set the agenda for national textbooks.</p>
<p>James Madison isn&#8217;t looking so good to me right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 05:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graham++</description>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/05/13/handbasket-weaving/comment-page-1/#comment-50997</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Searls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 10:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, as I&#039;ve &lt;a href=&quot;http://flickr.com/photos/docsearls/sets/72157604829541507/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;discovered&lt;/a&gt;, many roads are meant to be patchy in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, as I&#8217;ve <a href="http://flickr.com/photos/docsearls/sets/72157604829541507/" rel="nofollow">discovered</a>, many roads are meant to be patchy in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Glass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham Glass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 09:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Doc,

I thought you might enjoy a US/Constitutional perspective. The founding fathers believed that such infrastructure should be paid for by the individual states, not the federal government. 

Here&#039;s a quote from James Madison:

&quot;If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress.... Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America.&quot;

Cheers,
Graham</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Doc,</p>
<p>I thought you might enjoy a US/Constitutional perspective. The founding fathers believed that such infrastructure should be paid for by the individual states, not the federal government. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a quote from James Madison:</p>
<p>&#8220;If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress&#8230;. Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America.&#8221;</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Graham</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 07:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Doc Searls Weblog · Handbasket weaving Something to keep in mind with this presidental election. (tags: election infrastructure usa politics economics economy) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 01:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doc
PS : guess my point was I saw it 20yrs earlier - under Johnson 

Fie on both parties

Ciao
Chip</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc<br />
PS : guess my point was I saw it 20yrs earlier &#8211; under Johnson </p>
<p>Fie on both parties</p>
<p>Ciao<br />
Chip</p>
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		<title>By: Chip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 00:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doc
Some quick observations

Boston... ask around about the history of the &quot;Big Dig&quot; and if there was maybe some massive fraud. And ask around about cops on every work site ... nice job.

Why not build it right in the first place?

Background: I was a day laborer back in mid 60&#039;s while going  to night school (Summer of &#039;67 Detroit... exciting times, if you know what I mean... &quot;12thst riot&quot;). 
I worked on bridge over the Detroit Freeway system.

Many years later, I was driving the Autobahn in Germany, comfortably &quot;ton up&quot; from Hamburg to Berlin, later down to Dresden and Munich.

While, back in the 60&#039;s / &#039;70&#039;s I could drive at severe &quot;extra-legal&quot; speeds on Michigan&#039;s Interstates, I would not do so today.

Difference : I think the Germans made the roads to last, not to be an ongoing public works project.

Germans used much deeper roadbed, better materials.
Americans build roads to last about 25 years, not 100.

I often questioned the techniques and methods used, &quot;can&#039;t we do something to avoid corrosion&quot;

Combination of contractors who were in bed with politicians, and unions that want(ed) to ensure work.

No build to last, but build to ensure future work.

I just wish we&#039;d get what we&#039;d paid for.

If we listen to John Robb, maybe we all go local and don&#039;t need the infrastructure (toung firmly planted in cheek)

Ciao
Chip</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc<br />
Some quick observations</p>
<p>Boston&#8230; ask around about the history of the &#8220;Big Dig&#8221; and if there was maybe some massive fraud. And ask around about cops on every work site &#8230; nice job.</p>
<p>Why not build it right in the first place?</p>
<p>Background: I was a day laborer back in mid 60&#8217;s while going  to night school (Summer of &#8216;67 Detroit&#8230; exciting times, if you know what I mean&#8230; &#8220;12thst riot&#8221;).<br />
I worked on bridge over the Detroit Freeway system.</p>
<p>Many years later, I was driving the Autobahn in Germany, comfortably &#8220;ton up&#8221; from Hamburg to Berlin, later down to Dresden and Munich.</p>
<p>While, back in the 60&#8217;s / &#8217;70&#8217;s I could drive at severe &#8220;extra-legal&#8221; speeds on Michigan&#8217;s Interstates, I would not do so today.</p>
<p>Difference : I think the Germans made the roads to last, not to be an ongoing public works project.</p>
<p>Germans used much deeper roadbed, better materials.<br />
Americans build roads to last about 25 years, not 100.</p>
<p>I often questioned the techniques and methods used, &#8220;can&#8217;t we do something to avoid corrosion&#8221;</p>
<p>Combination of contractors who were in bed with politicians, and unions that want(ed) to ensure work.</p>
<p>No build to last, but build to ensure future work.</p>
<p>I just wish we&#8217;d get what we&#8217;d paid for.</p>
<p>If we listen to John Robb, maybe we all go local and don&#8217;t need the infrastructure (toung firmly planted in cheek)</p>
<p>Ciao<br />
Chip</p>
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