Comments on: What you frame is what you get

By: Eric

Eric — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:59:52 +0000

Doc, hope you get better soon. The Web misses your insights.

By: Bill Claxton

Bill Claxton — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 03:07:27 +0000

I see the Net as a medium. But I agree that what you frame is what you get.

As Obama pointed out (in his ‘race’ speech), the framers of the US constitution faced a problem of existing racial bias and slavery, but wanted to begin with a premise that ‘all men are created equal’. So they took the pragmatic approach that the constitution must evolve towards a ‘more perfect union’.

In Singapore we have a similar issue as we create a next-gen network – what to do about incumbent monopolies. The regulators here have imposed a separation between companies that operate the network infrastructure and those that provide services, roughly defined as ‘no more than 30% equity in common’. The bidders are actually the incumbent monopoly holding companies, reformed into consortia that meet the arms-length requirements. Same deal… evolving towards a ‘more perfect’ state of competition in services.

My point is that the framing is never permanent. The rules must account for a moving frame.

By: Richard Bennett

Richard Bennett — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:14:12 +0000

Missed you, dude, get well quick.

By: Janet Hawtin

Janet Hawtin — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:59:57 +0000

In the interests of alternate metaphor
The internet is a basic nerve system for the planet.
It is currently not directly linked to ecology or society very well
the information is not oriented for best use of information fidelity in local contexts. It is currently functioning more like a beehive with pockets of value which are not yet functioning as a cultural and ecological system of nerves and responses.
We could use our connectivity to better understand diverse habitats, species and interconnectivity of our habitat. We could better understand our custodianship through being connected to the information relevant to our local and extended footprint, choices and trends. We could understand each other as a diverse community with varying cadence and metaphor. We can support each other and our context digitally, economically, but also in tangible presence and practice. But we need to be able to listen for value and beauty in complexity and in the actual rather than having a preference for aggregation and abstract which serves other ends.

By: Yule Heibel

Yule Heibel — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:40:20 +0000

Not sure if I understand/ follow what you’re getting at, but it seems to me it has something to do fundamentally with how users/ consumers are defined, …and how one conceives of controlling the recipient of information, no?

If the consumer is someone to whom content is delivered, s/he is defined and therefore controlled at some basic level. It’s like having an address.

But if the content isn’t delivered (even though it’s distributed — in the sense of dispersed, perhaps), and if instead the “consumer” or “user” or “traveler” finds that content (vs having it piped to them), then that consumer/ user isn’t defined in the old way anymore.

Both the product/ content and consumer/ user have to be completely re-imagined.

Somehow this just made me think of Umair Haque’s Manifesto for the Next Industrial Revolution, re. “organizing the world’s ___ [fill in the blank]“…

And Doc, what the others said: get well soon.

By: Ross Mayfield

Ross Mayfield — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 04:10:38 +0000

My transcript of the panel
http://ross.typepad.com/blog/2008/06/supernova-the-p.html

By: Don Marti

Don Marti — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 02:57:03 +0000

Doc, you’re right — reading some of the mainstream media it almost sounds like the sites are made in the data center and the value flows out to regular homes and offices.

Maybe the framing to use is the watershed — the value of the net flows from springs of activity out on the edges, through tributary connections, into the data center.

By: Ross Mayfield's Weblog

Ross Mayfield's Weblog — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:48:59 +0000

Supernova: The Publius Project, The Internet’s Constitutional Moments…

I’m at my favorite conference today, Supernova. At the first one we were inspired to found Socialtext. Instead of going to the VC or consumer web panels, I thought I’d learn a bit about a Berkman project. Here’s an impressionary…

By: Dave

Dave — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:01:25 +0000

I have the right not to be offended… This is what some people consider while moving around on this big ball of hot iron!

Although, I do see more disclaimers while browsing around these days. We may have to place them everywhere in the future to keep the net and freedom together.

By: Ehud

Ehud — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:53:20 +0000

There are, of course, more ways of framing the Net, and it is hard at times to decide which is appropriate when. See some thoughts here: http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/05/21/trusting-but-verifying-your-teenagers-use-of-the-internet/#comment-20095

Get well soon!