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		<title>By: Taylor Walsh</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/06/24/making-real-health-care-happen/comment-page-1/#comment-64523</link>
		<dc:creator>Taylor Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is another point where this question of patient-centric care can be amplified and defined.  That is at the nexus at which  complementary, alternative and integrative care approaches are crossing into conventional settings.   The adherents and practitioners of CAM therapies, in fact, are the original healthcare hackers, having been at work in the field or using therapies for more than 30 years (not including the 3000 years some of these therapies have been used around the globe).

More to the point for this conversation, the adoption of these approaches -- now reaching into medical schools, hospitals, MD offices, pharmacies, employer health plans (following $1.5 billion in research from NIH since 1992) -- are based in large part around addressing the fundamental question &quot;what is health?&quot;  That conversation is not taking place in the so-called national dialogue on health care.  It is taking place where docs and practitioners and non-traditional healers are considering the whole patient, his or her traditions and beliefs, and in essence taking the diagnostic time that has long since evaporated in most settings and then applying an appropriate treatment, whatever its origins.

The technologies that will plug us into the health web are well and good, and of course a quintillion dollars is being ponied up for the solutions to come.  But we also need a concurrent integration of new thinking about health and about wellness as these personal health platforms get dropped into the global net.

There is a natural symbiosis between Health 2.0 and Integrative  Medicine that I hope we can start folding together as both these forces influence how the work of health is conducted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is another point where this question of patient-centric care can be amplified and defined.  That is at the nexus at which  complementary, alternative and integrative care approaches are crossing into conventional settings.   The adherents and practitioners of CAM therapies, in fact, are the original healthcare hackers, having been at work in the field or using therapies for more than 30 years (not including the 3000 years some of these therapies have been used around the globe).</p>
<p>More to the point for this conversation, the adoption of these approaches &#8212; now reaching into medical schools, hospitals, MD offices, pharmacies, employer health plans (following $1.5 billion in research from NIH since 1992) &#8212; are based in large part around addressing the fundamental question &#8220;what is health?&#8221;  That conversation is not taking place in the so-called national dialogue on health care.  It is taking place where docs and practitioners and non-traditional healers are considering the whole patient, his or her traditions and beliefs, and in essence taking the diagnostic time that has long since evaporated in most settings and then applying an appropriate treatment, whatever its origins.</p>
<p>The technologies that will plug us into the health web are well and good, and of course a quintillion dollars is being ponied up for the solutions to come.  But we also need a concurrent integration of new thinking about health and about wellness as these personal health platforms get dropped into the global net.</p>
<p>There is a natural symbiosis between Health 2.0 and Integrative  Medicine that I hope we can start folding together as both these forces influence how the work of health is conducted.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Warot</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/06/24/making-real-health-care-happen/comment-page-1/#comment-64156</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Warot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that having one doctor for a long time, as was past practice, made things much safer and more efficient (assuming the doctor was competent). Any time a system (such as health care) gets modified some knowledge embedded in it gets lost.

We&#039;ve gone from a craft tradition, to an production line model. We used to have doctors who took care of their patients, and knew each one of them intimately. Now we have a massive system that treats both doctors and patients as generic items.

We lost too much, it&#039;s time to reclaim our identities, both patients and doctors and nurses, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that having one doctor for a long time, as was past practice, made things much safer and more efficient (assuming the doctor was competent). Any time a system (such as health care) gets modified some knowledge embedded in it gets lost.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve gone from a craft tradition, to an production line model. We used to have doctors who took care of their patients, and knew each one of them intimately. Now we have a massive system that treats both doctors and patients as generic items.</p>
<p>We lost too much, it&#8217;s time to reclaim our identities, both patients and doctors and nurses, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Scrimshire (ekivemark)</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/06/24/making-real-health-care-happen/comment-page-1/#comment-64068</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Scrimshire (ekivemark)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doc,

I have been following your trials and tribulations and wish you a speedy return to full health. It is a true mark of your character that you are turning the experience in to something positive for the rest of us. 

I am fully behind you in advocating a user centric view to health. It is that drive that prompted me to hold HealthCampMd. I am now organizing HealthCampDc and HealthCampNy. Check them out at http://barcamp.org. If anyone plans to be at the Web 2.0 Expo in New York in September then join in the HealthCamp meeting we plan to hold as part of the Web2Open stream.

I am going to see if I can attend the VRM workshop but even if I can&#039;t I am willing to push the Health Agenda with you in any way I can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc,</p>
<p>I have been following your trials and tribulations and wish you a speedy return to full health. It is a true mark of your character that you are turning the experience in to something positive for the rest of us. </p>
<p>I am fully behind you in advocating a user centric view to health. It is that drive that prompted me to hold HealthCampMd. I am now organizing HealthCampDc and HealthCampNy. Check them out at <a href="http://barcamp.org" rel="nofollow">http://barcamp.org</a>. If anyone plans to be at the Web 2.0 Expo in New York in September then join in the HealthCamp meeting we plan to hold as part of the Web2Open stream.</p>
<p>I am going to see if I can attend the VRM workshop but even if I can&#8217;t I am willing to push the Health Agenda with you in any way I can.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/06/24/making-real-health-care-happen/comment-page-1/#comment-64037</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Searls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Terry. Look forward to more from you. Stay well and keep in touch, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Terry. Look forward to more from you. Stay well and keep in touch, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Heaton</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/06/24/making-real-health-care-happen/comment-page-1/#comment-63743</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Heaton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Count me in on any work required on this matter. I&#039;m having a couple of routine procedures done next week, and the pre-op waste of time could mostly be resolved with a thumb drive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Count me in on any work required on this matter. I&#8217;m having a couple of routine procedures done next week, and the pre-op waste of time could mostly be resolved with a thumb drive.</p>
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		<title>By: Judi Clark</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/06/24/making-real-health-care-happen/comment-page-1/#comment-63685</link>
		<dc:creator>Judi Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My experiences corroborate John C&#039;s story above. Several friends have traveled the paths through extensive treatments, chemo, radiation, experimental things not covered by insurance, and more. When these friends had a close family member acting as a &quot;systems integrator,&quot; they always had better care. 

When I was in the hospital for appendicitis, I was my own systems integrator and thankfully it was a single problem to resolve.

There are two parts to this problem. The challenge to the medical profession is that it will became more transparent (bonus to us). The benefit in this moment is that, for those of us who have been in the hospital lately, we likely recognize that we&#039;re not that far away from social acceptance of a system that moves recognized control to our hands.

Thanks Doc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experiences corroborate John C&#8217;s story above. Several friends have traveled the paths through extensive treatments, chemo, radiation, experimental things not covered by insurance, and more. When these friends had a close family member acting as a &#8220;systems integrator,&#8221; they always had better care. </p>
<p>When I was in the hospital for appendicitis, I was my own systems integrator and thankfully it was a single problem to resolve.</p>
<p>There are two parts to this problem. The challenge to the medical profession is that it will became more transparent (bonus to us). The benefit in this moment is that, for those of us who have been in the hospital lately, we likely recognize that we&#8217;re not that far away from social acceptance of a system that moves recognized control to our hands.</p>
<p>Thanks Doc.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Lewis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/06/24/making-real-health-care-happen/comment-page-1/#comment-63684</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D. 

Apropos of your post, here is one from the archives on one of my blogs (written not long after last summer&#039;s VRM meeting in Oxford) on one of the accidental benefits of the momentary chaos of one small country&#039;s medical-services-system-in-transition: the unwillingness of physicians and dentists to hold patients&#039; records and the resultant placement of records in patients&#039; own hands (and messy desks!). The link: http://tinyurl.com/5djcgr .

S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D. </p>
<p>Apropos of your post, here is one from the archives on one of my blogs (written not long after last summer&#8217;s VRM meeting in Oxford) on one of the accidental benefits of the momentary chaos of one small country&#8217;s medical-services-system-in-transition: the unwillingness of physicians and dentists to hold patients&#8217; records and the resultant placement of records in patients&#8217; own hands (and messy desks!). The link: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/5djcgr" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/5djcgr</a> .</p>
<p>S.</p>
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		<title>By: Francine hardaway</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/06/24/making-real-health-care-happen/comment-page-1/#comment-63680</link>
		<dc:creator>Francine hardaway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I could go to Harvard to that workshop. I have been working with a foundation (St Lukes Health Initiatives (slhi,org) on issues like this for years. The patient has to be part of his own supply chain, for sure. Google knows this, but they are having problems with people like HIPAA and the system itself in getting the information into the control of the patient, Craig Barrett and a bunch of enterprise people are also working on this through Dossia. I will put a shoulder to this boulder with you. I just don&#039;t have time to type all my thoughts about this right now, but give me a call.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I could go to Harvard to that workshop. I have been working with a foundation (St Lukes Health Initiatives (slhi,org) on issues like this for years. The patient has to be part of his own supply chain, for sure. Google knows this, but they are having problems with people like HIPAA and the system itself in getting the information into the control of the patient, Craig Barrett and a bunch of enterprise people are also working on this through Dossia. I will put a shoulder to this boulder with you. I just don&#8217;t have time to type all my thoughts about this right now, but give me a call.</p>
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		<title>By: John Caddell</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Caddell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doc,

Following updates of your recent hospital stay on Twitter and on the blog brought back memories of when my child spent two weeks in hospital with a serious condition before he was three months old. It was truly an eye-opener for us in terms of the ambiguity, uncertainty and lack of order of the medical system.

To ensure our son got what care he needed, and no more, my wife had to be the &quot;systems integrator&quot; for his care. [No one in the hospital, strangely, owned this role.] The doctors came and went, and the unifying data set was the &quot;chart.&quot; More than once, we had to correct a new doctor whose quick scan of the chart and glance at our son led him/her to false conclusions in the absence of the moment-to-moment context that allows the chart to make sense. My wife also had to combat the intervention bias that was present in almost every physician we met there.

Apart from that, the chaos that is the hospital/physician/hospital/lab/insurer &quot;value chain&quot; led to a ton more side effects--less life-threatening but also longer-lasting.

If ever there were a system that needed VRM, this is it.

regards, John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc,</p>
<p>Following updates of your recent hospital stay on Twitter and on the blog brought back memories of when my child spent two weeks in hospital with a serious condition before he was three months old. It was truly an eye-opener for us in terms of the ambiguity, uncertainty and lack of order of the medical system.</p>
<p>To ensure our son got what care he needed, and no more, my wife had to be the &#8220;systems integrator&#8221; for his care. [No one in the hospital, strangely, owned this role.] The doctors came and went, and the unifying data set was the &#8220;chart.&#8221; More than once, we had to correct a new doctor whose quick scan of the chart and glance at our son led him/her to false conclusions in the absence of the moment-to-moment context that allows the chart to make sense. My wife also had to combat the intervention bias that was present in almost every physician we met there.</p>
<p>Apart from that, the chaos that is the hospital/physician/hospital/lab/insurer &#8220;value chain&#8221; led to a ton more side effects&#8211;less life-threatening but also longer-lasting.</p>
<p>If ever there were a system that needed VRM, this is it.</p>
<p>regards, John</p>
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		<title>By: Major Fun</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/06/24/making-real-health-care-happen/comment-page-1/#comment-63675</link>
		<dc:creator>Major Fun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and again yes. This is exactly the way to harvest the learning you received from your in-depth hospital experience. Putting it into context, connecting it to the work you&#039;ve done and the insights you&#039;ve gathered all these many years, brings it into something we can actually grasp, into something we can act upon. One more of your many victories, o aptly named Doc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and again yes. This is exactly the way to harvest the learning you received from your in-depth hospital experience. Putting it into context, connecting it to the work you&#8217;ve done and the insights you&#8217;ve gathered all these many years, brings it into something we can actually grasp, into something we can act upon. One more of your many victories, o aptly named Doc.</p>
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