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		<title>By: Mike Warot</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/09/28/thoughts-atop-the-cliff/comment-page-1/#comment-88664</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Warot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Self-esteem?  It&#039;s a matter of trust, and the actions our government take show the rest of the world how much they can trust us to continue to live by our own rule-set (the one they invest in every time they opt to use a Dollar instead of some other currency).

If we start acting like the homeless person on the train, randomly shouting and getting abusive... they will all back away, and we&#039;ll be left with only our Gold reserves to spend for strategic needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Self-esteem?  It&#8217;s a matter of trust, and the actions our government take show the rest of the world how much they can trust us to continue to live by our own rule-set (the one they invest in every time they opt to use a Dollar instead of some other currency).</p>
<p>If we start acting like the homeless person on the train, randomly shouting and getting abusive&#8230; they will all back away, and we&#8217;ll be left with only our Gold reserves to spend for strategic needs.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Bennett</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/09/28/thoughts-atop-the-cliff/comment-page-1/#comment-88634</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Mike, I watched the video, and wasn&#039;t impressed: Karl babbles. If you can produce an authoritative critic it would be helpful, because in cases like this, where I don&#039;t know the subject matter, the credibility of the source is everything.

I don&#039;t think the economy is suffering from low self-esteem, as Denninger says, but I&#039;m no expert on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Mike, I watched the video, and wasn&#8217;t impressed: Karl babbles. If you can produce an authoritative critic it would be helpful, because in cases like this, where I don&#8217;t know the subject matter, the credibility of the source is everything.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the economy is suffering from low self-esteem, as Denninger says, but I&#8217;m no expert on it.</p>
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		<title>By: lurkerfan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/09/28/thoughts-atop-the-cliff/comment-page-1/#comment-88582</link>
		<dc:creator>lurkerfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Doc, for expressing so well what so many of us feel and think intuitively, especially this:

&quot;The “free market” in finance has always been rigged by its Alpha beasts, its lobbied legislators and its regulators, to favor growth. But lost in this long round has been elementary horse sense about what’s actually valuable, what actually produces goods and services, what’s free and what’s not. Growth in this long round has had many costs, and we’re not even close to visiting all of them.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Doc, for expressing so well what so many of us feel and think intuitively, especially this:</p>
<p>&#8220;The “free market” in finance has always been rigged by its Alpha beasts, its lobbied legislators and its regulators, to favor growth. But lost in this long round has been elementary horse sense about what’s actually valuable, what actually produces goods and services, what’s free and what’s not. Growth in this long round has had many costs, and we’re not even close to visiting all of them.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Warot</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/09/28/thoughts-atop-the-cliff/comment-page-1/#comment-88544</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Warot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, did you at least watch the video? 

Ad hominem attacks might let you discount the messenger, but the message still has value, regardless of your choice to ignore it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, did you at least watch the video? </p>
<p>Ad hominem attacks might let you discount the messenger, but the message still has value, regardless of your choice to ignore it.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Bennett</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/09/28/thoughts-atop-the-cliff/comment-page-1/#comment-88478</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 09:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this is the Karl Denninger I think it is, he&#039;s best ignored. There was a crackpot of that name in the fathers&#039; rights movement in the 1990s, and all he did was run around the Internet threatening people and playing god. A very sad man, with deep emotional problems. His assertion that the economy has low self-esteem made me laugh. Karl Denninger almost certainly has no more grasp of the financial markets than he does of family law or human relations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this is the Karl Denninger I think it is, he&#8217;s best ignored. There was a crackpot of that name in the fathers&#8217; rights movement in the 1990s, and all he did was run around the Internet threatening people and playing god. A very sad man, with deep emotional problems. His assertion that the economy has low self-esteem made me laugh. Karl Denninger almost certainly has no more grasp of the financial markets than he does of family law or human relations.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Warot</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/09/28/thoughts-atop-the-cliff/comment-page-1/#comment-88285</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Warot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 23:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scratch the 5 account idea... just make it $1,000,000 per person and be done with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scratch the 5 account idea&#8230; just make it $1,000,000 per person and be done with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Warot</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/09/28/thoughts-atop-the-cliff/comment-page-1/#comment-88282</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Warot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 23:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a working system of Government in place to handle this type of problem, on a smaller scale... the Bankruptcy courts. They should get the backing they need (staff, etc) to dive into this mess, and get things out into the light of day. It&#039;s a trust issue, no sane person is going to trust some new committee anywhere near as much as a known stable system.

The only big thing I would do otherwise is to backstop the FDIC for up to $100,000 per US Citizen or otherwise legal depositor, with a maximum of 5 accounts total. (To get around these twits who spread 50 million across 500 banks, which might be part of the problem with the FDIC in the first place).

We need transparency, and a system we can trust. This new bailout is worse than giving Diebold an exclusive nationwide contract for voting machines!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a working system of Government in place to handle this type of problem, on a smaller scale&#8230; the Bankruptcy courts. They should get the backing they need (staff, etc) to dive into this mess, and get things out into the light of day. It&#8217;s a trust issue, no sane person is going to trust some new committee anywhere near as much as a known stable system.</p>
<p>The only big thing I would do otherwise is to backstop the FDIC for up to $100,000 per US Citizen or otherwise legal depositor, with a maximum of 5 accounts total. (To get around these twits who spread 50 million across 500 banks, which might be part of the problem with the FDIC in the first place).</p>
<p>We need transparency, and a system we can trust. This new bailout is worse than giving Diebold an exclusive nationwide contract for voting machines!</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Robillard</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/09/28/thoughts-atop-the-cliff/comment-page-1/#comment-88250</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Robillard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;   &quot;What we need is for credit to keep moving while the financial sector gradually shrinks to sane dimensions, with value that rises from 1/1 relationships between reality and perception&quot;

How will enabling the criminals cause them to scale back on their operations?  We need to move away from a debt-based economy - scrap the Federal Reserve and fractional reserve banking.  Then you&#039;ll get your 1/1 relationship.  I doubt this will come to pass until our economy lies in ruins and the citizens rise up against this nonsense.


&gt;   &quot;The entire financial sector will collapse...&quot;

Many economists are firmly against continuing to prop up these jokers and realize a market correction is needed.  If things get really bad it would be an opportunity for the changes I mentioned above.  But the powers that be want to avoid that at any cost, thus the fearmongering coming from the Treasury and Whitehouse.


&gt;   &quot;Oh, and I don’t hear either candidate talking about what’s really going on here. Nor do I expect them to.&quot;

So I expect you will not be voting for either of them, right Doc? McCain was just shown on CNN saying that housing prices have dropped too low.  F#?%ing idiot.  Another item on America&#039;s TODO list is the breaking of the Republicrat duopoly.  You can start helping with that this November.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;   &#8220;What we need is for credit to keep moving while the financial sector gradually shrinks to sane dimensions, with value that rises from 1/1 relationships between reality and perception&#8221;</p>
<p>How will enabling the criminals cause them to scale back on their operations?  We need to move away from a debt-based economy &#8211; scrap the Federal Reserve and fractional reserve banking.  Then you&#8217;ll get your 1/1 relationship.  I doubt this will come to pass until our economy lies in ruins and the citizens rise up against this nonsense.</p>
<p>&gt;   &#8220;The entire financial sector will collapse&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Many economists are firmly against continuing to prop up these jokers and realize a market correction is needed.  If things get really bad it would be an opportunity for the changes I mentioned above.  But the powers that be want to avoid that at any cost, thus the fearmongering coming from the Treasury and Whitehouse.</p>
<p>&gt;   &#8220;Oh, and I don’t hear either candidate talking about what’s really going on here. Nor do I expect them to.&#8221;</p>
<p>So I expect you will not be voting for either of them, right Doc? McCain was just shown on CNN saying that housing prices have dropped too low.  F#?%ing idiot.  Another item on America&#8217;s TODO list is the breaking of the Republicrat duopoly.  You can start helping with that this November.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Robillard</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/09/28/thoughts-atop-the-cliff/comment-page-1/#comment-88247</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Robillard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;   &quot;What we need is for credit to keep moving while the financial sector gradually shrinks to sane dimensions, with value that rises from 1/1 relationships between reality and perception&quot;

How will enabling the criminals cause them to scale back on their operations?  We need to move away from a debt-based economy - scrap the Federal Reserve and fractional reserve banking.  Then you&#039;ll get your 1/1 relationship.  I doubt this will come to pass until our economy lies in ruins and the citizens rise up against this nonsense.


&gt;   &quot;The entire financial sector will collapse...&quot;

Many economists are firmly against continuing to prop up these jokers and realize a market correction is needed.  If things get really bad it would be an opportunity for the changes I mentioned above.  But the powers that be want to avoid that at any cost, thus the fearmongering coming from the Treasury and Whitehouse.


&gt;   &quot;Oh, and I don’t hear either candidate talking about what’s really going on here. Nor do I expect them to.&quot;

So I expect you will not be voting for either of them, right Doc?
McCain was just shown on CNN saying that housing prices have dropped too low.  F#?%ing idiot.  Another item on America&#039;s TODO list is the breaking of the Republicrat duopoly.  You can start helping with that this November.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;   &#8220;What we need is for credit to keep moving while the financial sector gradually shrinks to sane dimensions, with value that rises from 1/1 relationships between reality and perception&#8221;</p>
<p>How will enabling the criminals cause them to scale back on their operations?  We need to move away from a debt-based economy &#8211; scrap the Federal Reserve and fractional reserve banking.  Then you&#8217;ll get your 1/1 relationship.  I doubt this will come to pass until our economy lies in ruins and the citizens rise up against this nonsense.</p>
<p>&gt;   &#8220;The entire financial sector will collapse&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Many economists are firmly against continuing to prop up these jokers and realize a market correction is needed.  If things get really bad it would be an opportunity for the changes I mentioned above.  But the powers that be want to avoid that at any cost, thus the fearmongering coming from the Treasury and Whitehouse.</p>
<p>&gt;   &#8220;Oh, and I don’t hear either candidate talking about what’s really going on here. Nor do I expect them to.&#8221;</p>
<p>So I expect you will not be voting for either of them, right Doc?<br />
McCain was just shown on CNN saying that housing prices have dropped too low.  F#?%ing idiot.  Another item on America&#8217;s TODO list is the breaking of the Republicrat duopoly.  You can start helping with that this November.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Marti</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/09/28/thoughts-atop-the-cliff/comment-page-1/#comment-88075</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Marti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel guilty about having too much crap, and especially too big a house, too.  

But this is  not a case where the only two choices are &quot;do nothing&quot; or &quot;give $700 billion to assholes.&quot;  Who made those the only two choices?  There are other possibilities out there -- see this  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/27/opinion/27mayer.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Chris Mayer op-ed&lt;/a&gt; for some good ideas.

More background: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/25/AR2008092504155.html?sid=ST2008092600236&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Smaller Banks Thrive Out of the Fray of Crisis&lt;/a&gt; (via &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2008/09/substitute-brid.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Marginal Revolution&lt;/a&gt;)

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/24/AR2008092403033.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Bailout We Don&#039;t Need&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel guilty about having too much crap, and especially too big a house, too.  </p>
<p>But this is  not a case where the only two choices are &#8220;do nothing&#8221; or &#8220;give $700 billion to assholes.&#8221;  Who made those the only two choices?  There are other possibilities out there &#8212; see this  <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/27/opinion/27mayer.html" rel="nofollow">Chris Mayer op-ed</a> for some good ideas.</p>
<p>More background: <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/25/AR2008092504155.html?sid=ST2008092600236" rel="nofollow">Smaller Banks Thrive Out of the Fray of Crisis</a> (via <a href="http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2008/09/substitute-brid.html" rel="nofollow">Marginal Revolution</a>)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/24/AR2008092403033.html" rel="nofollow">A Bailout We Don&#8217;t Need</a></p>
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