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	<title>Comments on: The madness of man</title>
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		<title>By: Alan Kellogg</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/11/08/the-madness-of-man/comment-page-1/#comment-101997</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Kellogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 00:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My tonsils and adenoids were removed in 1956, when I was two. They grew back.

I remember the ads, the hard sell. I remember my father, so addicted to nicotine he kept smoking after having a lung removed. I remember the hard sell and shilling by the actors in a show; product placement today has nothing on Fred and Wilma touting cigarettes.

The people bitching about loss of rights because we dump on cigarettes? Most of them can&#039;t believe cigarette smoke is that dangerous, the rest hate the fact they were stupid enough to believe the tobacco companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My tonsils and adenoids were removed in 1956, when I was two. They grew back.</p>
<p>I remember the ads, the hard sell. I remember my father, so addicted to nicotine he kept smoking after having a lung removed. I remember the hard sell and shilling by the actors in a show; product placement today has nothing on Fred and Wilma touting cigarettes.</p>
<p>The people bitching about loss of rights because we dump on cigarettes? Most of them can&#8217;t believe cigarette smoke is that dangerous, the rest hate the fact they were stupid enough to believe the tobacco companies.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc Searls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 23:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Halley and lurker.

And amen on the education issue, Russ. We may part ways on a few issues, but not that one.

Francine, great story. What did you do next?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Halley and lurker.</p>
<p>And amen on the education issue, Russ. We may part ways on a few issues, but not that one.</p>
<p>Francine, great story. What did you do next?</p>
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		<title>By: francine hardaway</title>
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		<dc:creator>francine hardaway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first job was for J Walter Thompson in New York in 1963. I was an Ivy League cum laude graduate, and guess what I did? I typed! On a manual typewriter for an account executive. Everyone smoked to the point where the office was a nicotine cloud.

My accounts were Chase and Sanborn coffee, Preparation H and Singer Sewing Machine, and my account exec actually WAS a woman, who was given those accounts because she was female and they were the worst accounts in the office..  She had yellow fingers from nicotine stains and had to wear gloves to meetings because of her nervous excsema. 

I quit that job on the day Kennedy was assassinated, when I found myself at the top of 30 Rock delivering a package (yes, I was also a messenger) to a Singer Sewing Machine exec.

I knew that something was wrong with the entire structure on that day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first job was for J Walter Thompson in New York in 1963. I was an Ivy League cum laude graduate, and guess what I did? I typed! On a manual typewriter for an account executive. Everyone smoked to the point where the office was a nicotine cloud.</p>
<p>My accounts were Chase and Sanborn coffee, Preparation H and Singer Sewing Machine, and my account exec actually WAS a woman, who was given those accounts because she was female and they were the worst accounts in the office..  She had yellow fingers from nicotine stains and had to wear gloves to meetings because of her nervous excsema. </p>
<p>I quit that job on the day Kennedy was assassinated, when I found myself at the top of 30 Rock delivering a package (yes, I was also a messenger) to a Singer Sewing Machine exec.</p>
<p>I knew that something was wrong with the entire structure on that day.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Doc.  A night out is much more enjoyable without smoke.  However, I also think that smokers, mountain climbers, snowmobilers, and yes, bicyclists have a right to pursue their hobby even though damage to their body may end up being paid-for collectively.

Separately, I notice that we&#039;ve mostly gotten rid of all the bullet-ed idiocies except the last two.  Who in their right mind ever thought it would be a good idea to trust our children&#039;s education to the government?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Doc.  A night out is much more enjoyable without smoke.  However, I also think that smokers, mountain climbers, snowmobilers, and yes, bicyclists have a right to pursue their hobby even though damage to their body may end up being paid-for collectively.</p>
<p>Separately, I notice that we&#8217;ve mostly gotten rid of all the bullet-ed idiocies except the last two.  Who in their right mind ever thought it would be a good idea to trust our children&#8217;s education to the government?</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc Searls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, I LOVE how wonderful pubs are in the UK without all the smoke. MUCH better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I LOVE how wonderful pubs are in the UK without all the smoke. MUCH better.</p>
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		<title>By: John A Arkansawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>John A Arkansawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went out last night and had a wonderful time, danced vigorously for nearly two hours straight while getting more than tipsy. My life expectancy might&#039;ve been shortened by a few seconds by all the cigarette smoke in the bar, and you know what? I feel good.

I wonder where I can get a tattoo this time of the morning?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went out last night and had a wonderful time, danced vigorously for nearly two hours straight while getting more than tipsy. My life expectancy might&#8217;ve been shortened by a few seconds by all the cigarette smoke in the bar, and you know what? I feel good.</p>
<p>I wonder where I can get a tattoo this time of the morning?</p>
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		<title>By: lurkerfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>lurkerfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, Halley, we&#039;ve missed your voice here in the limitless void known as the blogosphere. 

Doc&#039;s right, &quot;Smoking and drinking were standard back then. “Widespread” doesn’t cover it. They were nearly universal.&quot;

I came of age in the 1950s, before Doc, and for many years had a fond association with the smell of cigarette smoke because it reminded me of my gentle and loving father.  But I fortunately never became addicted to tobacco because my now husband, who became the major force in my life 55 years ago, hated the nastiness of stale ashtrays, etc., that permeated his home as he grew up.  He never smoked a single cigarette in a time when everybody did, and his influence saved me.  Both his parents died of smoking related illnesses, as did my father.  There is a history of debilitating alcoholism in both my own and my husband&#039;s family that caused us to avoid drinking in our youth and partake moderately since.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, Halley, we&#8217;ve missed your voice here in the limitless void known as the blogosphere. </p>
<p>Doc&#8217;s right, &#8220;Smoking and drinking were standard back then. “Widespread” doesn’t cover it. They were nearly universal.&#8221;</p>
<p>I came of age in the 1950s, before Doc, and for many years had a fond association with the smell of cigarette smoke because it reminded me of my gentle and loving father.  But I fortunately never became addicted to tobacco because my now husband, who became the major force in my life 55 years ago, hated the nastiness of stale ashtrays, etc., that permeated his home as he grew up.  He never smoked a single cigarette in a time when everybody did, and his influence saved me.  Both his parents died of smoking related illnesses, as did my father.  There is a history of debilitating alcoholism in both my own and my husband&#8217;s family that caused us to avoid drinking in our youth and partake moderately since.</p>
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		<title>By: Halley Suitt</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/11/08/the-madness-of-man/comment-page-1/#comment-101924</link>
		<dc:creator>Halley Suitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 14:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doc ... my dad WAS the main Mad Man Don Draper ... a Madison Avenue adman who smoked 3 packs a day (had a family of 5 kids -- who ended up being 2 smokers, 3 (including me) agressive NON-smokers).  Only good part of his 60&#039;s schtick was that he didn&#039;t drink.  Two of his big ad accounts were Revlon and Smirinoff Vodka, we got tons of free samples of each, which sat in the garage in unopened cartons, because my mom wore no makeup (and was a hottie without it, believe me) and neither of them drank, thank god. 
Sadly both smoked and both died of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc &#8230; my dad WAS the main Mad Man Don Draper &#8230; a Madison Avenue adman who smoked 3 packs a day (had a family of 5 kids &#8212; who ended up being 2 smokers, 3 (including me) agressive NON-smokers).  Only good part of his 60&#8217;s schtick was that he didn&#8217;t drink.  Two of his big ad accounts were Revlon and Smirinoff Vodka, we got tons of free samples of each, which sat in the garage in unopened cartons, because my mom wore no makeup (and was a hottie without it, believe me) and neither of them drank, thank god.<br />
Sadly both smoked and both died of it.</p>
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