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		<title>By: Chipping the web: December 2nd -- Chip&#8217;s Quips</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/11/29/bailing-on-the-bailout/comment-page-1/#comment-110502</link>
		<dc:creator>Chipping the web: December 2nd -- Chip&#8217;s Quips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/11/29/bailing-on-the-bailout/comment-page-1/#comment-110060</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Searls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I don&#039;t buy &lt;i&gt;ad hominem&lt;/i&gt; cases against Krugman (or anybody), I don&#039;t agree with what Krugman says (or is quoted as saying) in this case. And I do agree with Russ.

I think Obama and crew should stick to making structural adjustments, and hold off on the spending. Lack of accounting, much less accountability, was a large causal factor in the current crisis. So was a lack of transparency, not only within the fincancial sector but within government as well. Those are relatively obvious fixes. The bailout is not. Nor are others in the pipeline that Bloomberg talked about in its $7 trillion story.

What exactly is the $700 billion &quot;stimulus&quot; being spent on? The fact that &lt;a href=&quot;http://bailoutsleuth.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bailout Sleuth&lt;/a&gt; exits is testimony enough to the problem. (And it looks like it&#039;s doing a job there.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I don&#8217;t buy <i>ad hominem</i> cases against Krugman (or anybody), I don&#8217;t agree with what Krugman says (or is quoted as saying) in this case. And I do agree with Russ.</p>
<p>I think Obama and crew should stick to making structural adjustments, and hold off on the spending. Lack of accounting, much less accountability, was a large causal factor in the current crisis. So was a lack of transparency, not only within the fincancial sector but within government as well. Those are relatively obvious fixes. The bailout is not. Nor are others in the pipeline that Bloomberg talked about in its $7 trillion story.</p>
<p>What exactly is the $700 billion &#8220;stimulus&#8221; being spent on? The fact that <a href="http://bailoutsleuth.com/" rel="nofollow">Bailout Sleuth</a> exits is testimony enough to the problem. (And it looks like it&#8217;s doing a job there.)</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Nelson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/11/29/bailing-on-the-bailout/comment-page-1/#comment-109968</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 06:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When people choose not to spend, how does it make any sense to take their money and spend it anyway?  I&#039;m not following the logic here.  If Krugman thinks we need to get credit flowing AND prop up spending, exactly HOW does he think that&#039;s going to happen?  Government has only four sources of money:  higher taxation (which is the WRONG thing to do in a slump -- are you listening, PE Obama?), borrowing (which, if you&#039;re trying to make credit available, can it make any sense to create it and then use it all up on government borrowing), inflating the currency (but that turns out to be a very regressive tax and makes giving credit harder), or selling off assets (Yellowstone ... for sale ... right, I can just imagine what the environmentalists would say).

Listen to Krugman, then do the opposite of what he says.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When people choose not to spend, how does it make any sense to take their money and spend it anyway?  I&#8217;m not following the logic here.  If Krugman thinks we need to get credit flowing AND prop up spending, exactly HOW does he think that&#8217;s going to happen?  Government has only four sources of money:  higher taxation (which is the WRONG thing to do in a slump &#8212; are you listening, PE Obama?), borrowing (which, if you&#8217;re trying to make credit available, can it make any sense to create it and then use it all up on government borrowing), inflating the currency (but that turns out to be a very regressive tax and makes giving credit harder), or selling off assets (Yellowstone &#8230; for sale &#8230; right, I can just imagine what the environmentalists would say).</p>
<p>Listen to Krugman, then do the opposite of what he says.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Eskow</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/11/29/bailing-on-the-bailout/comment-page-1/#comment-109916</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Eskow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 00:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that didn&#039;t work!

Another try at Paul Krugman&#039;s piece:

FOCUS &#124; Paul Krugman: What to Do
http://www.truthout.org/113008Y
Paul Krugman, New York Review of Books: &quot;What the world needs right now is a rescue operation. The global credit system is in a state of paralysis, and a global slump is building momentum as I write this. Reform of the weaknesses that made this crisis possible is essential, but it can wait a little while. First, we need to deal with the clear and present danger. To do this, policymakers around the world need to do two things: get credit flowing again and prop up spending.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that didn&#8217;t work!</p>
<p>Another try at Paul Krugman&#8217;s piece:</p>
<p>FOCUS | Paul Krugman: What to Do<br />
<a href="http://www.truthout.org/113008Y" rel="nofollow">http://www.truthout.org/113008Y</a><br />
Paul Krugman, New York Review of Books: &#8220;What the world needs right now is a rescue operation. The global credit system is in a state of paralysis, and a global slump is building momentum as I write this. Reform of the weaknesses that made this crisis possible is essential, but it can wait a little while. First, we need to deal with the clear and present danger. To do this, policymakers around the world need to do two things: get credit flowing again and prop up spending.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Eskow</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/11/29/bailing-on-the-bailout/comment-page-1/#comment-109915</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Eskow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 00:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doc, Paul Krugman may be the Nobel award-winning economist referred to above. He says we need to do two things:

&lt;&gt;

His piece is worth reading in its entirety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc, Paul Krugman may be the Nobel award-winning economist referred to above. He says we need to do two things:</p>
<p>&lt;&gt;</p>
<p>His piece is worth reading in its entirety.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So much of the current economic crisis is mistaking the disease for the cure and vice versa. I think the public, underneath its apparent apathy and ignorance, has a certain wisdom and common sense which realized that we could no longer pile on personal debt and keep the bubble growing. Most of the applied cures seek to make it easier to borrow more but people are just saying no. Prices need to fall to a sustainable level. It will be painful but necessary and the longer we delay, the more painful it will be. 

Keep up the good work, Doc! You&#039;re not becoming a republican. They never admit their mistakes or change their minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much of the current economic crisis is mistaking the disease for the cure and vice versa. I think the public, underneath its apparent apathy and ignorance, has a certain wisdom and common sense which realized that we could no longer pile on personal debt and keep the bubble growing. Most of the applied cures seek to make it easier to borrow more but people are just saying no. Prices need to fall to a sustainable level. It will be painful but necessary and the longer we delay, the more painful it will be. </p>
<p>Keep up the good work, Doc! You&#8217;re not becoming a republican. They never admit their mistakes or change their minds.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Warot</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/11/29/bailing-on-the-bailout/comment-page-1/#comment-109861</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Warot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doc, don&#039;t shut up... just seek out the conversation with the rest of us. When you bring up a topic, we&#039;re all pulled along to discuss it, and some of us even write a post or two in reply.

The idea that someone should always be right and never make a mistake is the George Bush doctrine... and look where that got us.

The tentative nature of blogging that you&#039;ve told us about for a long time now applies to you as well. If you&#039;re not sure, just say so at the start, and dive in anyway. You might get some answers, or better yet, some insight.

Shutting up when you&#039;re sure is great when you&#039;re trying to defuse a bomb, and there are only seconds left... but we&#039;ve got time, and we should take it to inform each other, and start exploring the problem space and solution sets.

It&#039;s ok to be wrong... I&#039;m wrong a lot, but I don&#039;t let it stop me. I admit when I was wrong, and everyone respects me all the more for it. Sticking to it, and getting the important issues out in the sun is the best thing all of us can do.

----

All that being said, I initially dismissed Naomi&#039;s ideas as a bit too far of a reach from reality... but she&#039;s turning out to be remarkably prescient
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc, don&#8217;t shut up&#8230; just seek out the conversation with the rest of us. When you bring up a topic, we&#8217;re all pulled along to discuss it, and some of us even write a post or two in reply.</p>
<p>The idea that someone should always be right and never make a mistake is the George Bush doctrine&#8230; and look where that got us.</p>
<p>The tentative nature of blogging that you&#8217;ve told us about for a long time now applies to you as well. If you&#8217;re not sure, just say so at the start, and dive in anyway. You might get some answers, or better yet, some insight.</p>
<p>Shutting up when you&#8217;re sure is great when you&#8217;re trying to defuse a bomb, and there are only seconds left&#8230; but we&#8217;ve got time, and we should take it to inform each other, and start exploring the problem space and solution sets.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s ok to be wrong&#8230; I&#8217;m wrong a lot, but I don&#8217;t let it stop me. I admit when I was wrong, and everyone respects me all the more for it. Sticking to it, and getting the important issues out in the sun is the best thing all of us can do.</p>
<p>&#8212;-</p>
<p>All that being said, I initially dismissed Naomi&#8217;s ideas as a bit too far of a reach from reality&#8230; but she&#8217;s turning out to be remarkably prescient<br />
.</p>
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		<title>By: vanderleun</title>
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		<dc:creator>vanderleun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 08:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re going to have a revolution the things that should be at the top of the list are guns and ammo.

If not, leave it alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re going to have a revolution the things that should be at the top of the list are guns and ammo.</p>
<p>If not, leave it alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/11/29/bailing-on-the-bailout/comment-page-1/#comment-109778</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Searls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 07:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amos, thanks for the thoughtful response.

I&#039;ll admit to flailing, but I don&#039;t admit to following anybody. Some folks have made sense to me. Joe Stiglitz. Kevin Phillips. Bogle. Though I gotta say I can&#039;t tell you what they&#039;re saying right now.

For what it&#039;s worth, I like Naomi Klein, and agree with a lot of what she says. Not all of it, but a lot.

As for becoming a Republican, far from it. Not sure what more to say about that, at least right now, in a hotel room with a need to sleep and two others in the room asleep already.

And you&#039;re right that there are some people who know what to do. I&#039;m sure there are. 

I don&#039;t know who they are. Not sure you do either.

As for being shocked, I don&#039;t feel that way. Confused is more like it.

One thing I am sure about is that the effects of spending great big piles of money we don&#039;t have will be hugely inflationary. Can you tell me how it wouldn&#039;t be?

Meanwhile you&#039;ve convinced me I should just shut up about this until my mind is made up. It isn&#039;t now and isn&#039;t likely to be for awhile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amos, thanks for the thoughtful response.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll admit to flailing, but I don&#8217;t admit to following anybody. Some folks have made sense to me. Joe Stiglitz. Kevin Phillips. Bogle. Though I gotta say I can&#8217;t tell you what they&#8217;re saying right now.</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I like Naomi Klein, and agree with a lot of what she says. Not all of it, but a lot.</p>
<p>As for becoming a Republican, far from it. Not sure what more to say about that, at least right now, in a hotel room with a need to sleep and two others in the room asleep already.</p>
<p>And you&#8217;re right that there are some people who know what to do. I&#8217;m sure there are. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know who they are. Not sure you do either.</p>
<p>As for being shocked, I don&#8217;t feel that way. Confused is more like it.</p>
<p>One thing I am sure about is that the effects of spending great big piles of money we don&#8217;t have will be hugely inflationary. Can you tell me how it wouldn&#8217;t be?</p>
<p>Meanwhile you&#8217;ve convinced me I should just shut up about this until my mind is made up. It isn&#8217;t now and isn&#8217;t likely to be for awhile.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Nelson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/11/29/bailing-on-the-bailout/comment-page-1/#comment-109772</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 06:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More reason not to just &quot;do something&quot;: Amity Shlaes on the Greater Depression in the WSJ: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122792327402265913.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More reason not to just &#8220;do something&#8221;: Amity Shlaes on the Greater Depression in the WSJ: <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122792327402265913.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122792327402265913.html</a></p>
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