Comments on: The future that won’t be distributed http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/12/30/the-future-that-wont-be-distributed/ Same old blog, brand new place Fri, 04 Dec 2009 01:24:25 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Daniel Tunkelang http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/12/30/the-future-that-wont-be-distributed/comment-page-1/#comment-117192 Daniel Tunkelang Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:06:18 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/12/30/the-future-that-wont-be-distributed/#comment-117192 Doc, I believe that what my colleagues and I are doing at Endeca bears some philosophical similarity to your work, but it's in a somewhat different sphere. You can get an idea of what we do here: http://www.fiercecontentmanagement.com/story/one-one-daniel-tunkelang-endeca/2008-11-25 Doc, I believe that what my colleagues and I are doing at Endeca bears some philosophical similarity to your work, but it’s in a somewhat different sphere. You can get an idea of what we do here:

http://www.fiercecontentmanagement.com/story/one-one-daniel-tunkelang-endeca/2008-11-25

]]> By: Edward Vielmetti http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/12/30/the-future-that-wont-be-distributed/comment-page-1/#comment-116162 Edward Vielmetti Thu, 01 Jan 2009 16:05:07 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/12/30/the-future-that-wont-be-distributed/#comment-116162 hey, there's an API. 1. do the search 2. for each person in the search set, fetch their user info 3. filter as you will based on attributes of their user info this is well within the realm of what you could do with greasemonkey in the browser, or a small number of relatively simple API calls in your favorite implementation language. i don't see what the fuss is. hey, there’s an API.

1. do the search
2. for each person in the search set, fetch their user info
3. filter as you will based on attributes of their user info

this is well within the realm of what you could do with greasemonkey in the browser, or a small number of relatively simple API calls in your favorite implementation language.

i don’t see what the fuss is.

]]> By: Mike Warot http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/12/30/the-future-that-wont-be-distributed/comment-page-1/#comment-115974 Mike Warot Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:26:26 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/12/30/the-future-that-wont-be-distributed/#comment-115974 At the risk of sounding like a broken record... the reason that silos like Twitter, Flickr, YouTube, Blogger, etc. are so successful is that we need them, we depend on them, for one very important thing... SAFETY. Because we don't have security on our own PCs, we can't open the random file from the internet. We need to have all of our content filtered somewhere... by an aggregator, mostly because it then makes it safe. If we tackled PC security, we'd all be able to have servers on the net without worry. We don't have it, and we're not likely to in 2009 either. We need to fix security... a lot of the problems with the net would pretty much get resolved if we did it. It's easy to recognize a secure system... the leader of the project is willing to run ANYTHING from ANYBODY on their system on stage at Defcon. Until then, things aren't going to get much better. At the risk of sounding like a broken record… the reason that silos like Twitter, Flickr, YouTube, Blogger, etc. are so successful is that we need them, we depend on them, for one very important thing…

SAFETY.

Because we don’t have security on our own PCs, we can’t open the random file from the internet. We need to have all of our content filtered somewhere… by an aggregator, mostly because it then makes it safe.

If we tackled PC security, we’d all be able to have servers on the net without worry. We don’t have it, and we’re not likely to in 2009 either.

We need to fix security… a lot of the problems with the net would pretty much get resolved if we did it. It’s easy to recognize a secure system… the leader of the project is willing to run ANYTHING from ANYBODY on their system on stage at Defcon.

Until then, things aren’t going to get much better.

]]> By: Doc Searls http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/12/30/the-future-that-wont-be-distributed/comment-page-1/#comment-115945 Doc Searls Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:15:49 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/12/30/the-future-that-wont-be-distributed/#comment-115945 Julian, those five are a good rundown, and they map well to VRM. What we need to do is think beyond how "various systems" controlled by vendors help us achieve this. We need independence from those things, and dependence on ourselves, and our own tools, our own ways of doing things. Julian, those five are a good rundown, and they map well to VRM. What we need to do is think beyond how “various systems” controlled by vendors help us achieve this. We need independence from those things, and dependence on ourselves, and our own tools, our own ways of doing things.

]]> By: Doc Searls http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/12/30/the-future-that-wont-be-distributed/comment-page-1/#comment-115944 Doc Searls Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:12:07 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/12/30/the-future-that-wont-be-distributed/#comment-115944 Daniel, it's not just tools that control how we consume information, but tools that give us better ways to produce it — in our own ways, on our own terms — and how we can interact with many vendors in the same standard ways, rather than in dozens of different ways, each proprietary to each vendor's silo. So it's not about decentralizing from the Googles and Amazons of the world. It's about centralizing on each of our own selves. A free market should not be "your choice of silo." The only silo on which you depend completely should be your own. We need one way, or one set of ways, under our own control, for dealing with multiple vendors, with data portability and service substitutability. <a href="http://projectvrm.org" rel="nofollow">ProjectVRM</a> is where we're working on that. Is your project similar or related? Daniel, it’s not just tools that control how we consume information, but tools that give us better ways to produce it — in our own ways, on our own terms — and how we can interact with many vendors in the same standard ways, rather than in dozens of different ways, each proprietary to each vendor’s silo.

So it’s not about decentralizing from the Googles and Amazons of the world. It’s about centralizing on each of our own selves.

A free market should not be “your choice of silo.” The only silo on which you depend completely should be your own.

We need one way, or one set of ways, under our own control, for dealing with multiple vendors, with data portability and service substitutability.

ProjectVRM is where we’re working on that. Is your project similar or related?

]]> By: Julian Bond http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/12/30/the-future-that-wont-be-distributed/comment-page-1/#comment-115885 Julian Bond Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:34:26 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/12/30/the-future-that-wont-be-distributed/#comment-115885 Tosses a mind bomb over the fence: I've been working up a theory that the internet encourages a very small number of games and almost everyone who's remotely active spends most of their time playing them. 1. Hey, look at this! 2. I did this. 3. How do I do this? 4. This is how to do this. 5. This is wrong! It might be worthwhile thinking about how good the various systems are at enabling these games. And how to recognise people who play each one well. Tosses a mind bomb over the fence: I’ve been working up a theory that the internet encourages a very small number of games and almost everyone who’s remotely active spends most of their time playing them.
1. Hey, look at this!
2. I did this.
3. How do I do this?
4. This is how to do this.
5. This is wrong!

It might be worthwhile thinking about how good the various systems are at enabling these games. And how to recognise people who play each one well.

]]> By: FBS Blog » Blog Archive » MLSs Should Pay Attention to Doc Searls http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/12/30/the-future-that-wont-be-distributed/comment-page-1/#comment-115696 FBS Blog » Blog Archive » MLSs Should Pay Attention to Doc Searls Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:18:13 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/12/30/the-future-that-wont-be-distributed/#comment-115696 [...] his post entitled The future that won’t be distributed, Doc Searls writes: I think the reason we get upset about What Twitter is Doing, or What Google Is [...] [...] his post entitled The future that won’t be distributed, Doc Searls writes: I think the reason we get upset about What Twitter is Doing, or What Google Is [...]

]]> By: Daniel Tunkelang http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/12/30/the-future-that-wont-be-distributed/comment-page-1/#comment-115693 Daniel Tunkelang Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:03:18 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/12/30/the-future-that-wont-be-distributed/#comment-115693 If I understand you correctly, then a route out of this excess dependence is to push for tools that give us more control over how we ingest information. Today, that control is too concentrated in a mediator like Google, and the would be influencers compete intensely to win the attention of those they would influence. If we can decentralize that control, they we at least have some hope of making ourselves independent. Of course, that will require different technical approaches to information access. Full disclosure: my day job is to work on such approaches. If I understand you correctly, then a route out of this excess dependence is to push for tools that give us more control over how we ingest information. Today, that control is too concentrated in a mediator like Google, and the would be influencers compete intensely to win the attention of those they would influence. If we can decentralize that control, they we at least have some hope of making ourselves independent.

Of course, that will require different technical approaches to information access. Full disclosure: my day job is to work on such approaches.

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