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		<title>By: &#8220;Still Partying&#8221; Thoughts That Might Hold Some Answers</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2009/03/23/after-the-advertising-bubble-bursts/comment-page-2/#comment-182123</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;Still Partying&#8221; Thoughts That Might Hold Some Answers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Why the Breakdown of Communication? &#124; Kyle Lacy, Social Media - Indianapolis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2009/03/23/after-the-advertising-bubble-bursts/comment-page-2/#comment-161956</link>
		<dc:creator>Why the Breakdown of Communication? &#124; Kyle Lacy, Social Media - Indianapolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 01:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: A Frog in the Valley &#187; Linkdump / Brainpump</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Frog in the Valley &#187; Linkdump / Brainpump</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] After the advertising bubble bursts from Doc Searls. Thesis #74 of The Cluetrain Manifesto says, We are immune to advertising. Just forget it. We wrote that in 1999, when everybody thought that advertising was going to be THE model for businesses on the Internet. The crash came less than a year later. Makes me think re-reading the cluerain and re-encoding patterns that would work from what I learned in it is a great thing to do while I think/architect our local/social search platform where merchants are people too (for VRM and real &#8220;R&#8221; you need two participants on equal footing). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] After the advertising bubble bursts from Doc Searls. Thesis #74 of The Cluetrain Manifesto says, We are immune to advertising. Just forget it. We wrote that in 1999, when everybody thought that advertising was going to be THE model for businesses on the Internet. The crash came less than a year later. Makes me think re-reading the cluerain and re-encoding patterns that would work from what I learned in it is a great thing to do while I think/architect our local/social search platform where merchants are people too (for VRM and real &#8220;R&#8221; you need two participants on equal footing). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: bowerbird</title>
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		<dc:creator>bowerbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 03:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>people all over the world know me as
bowerbird, dude.  i&#039;m fully accountable.
and my style is unmistakably mine alone.
i&#039;d be hiding if i used some other name...

-bowerbird</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>people all over the world know me as<br />
bowerbird, dude.  i&#8217;m fully accountable.<br />
and my style is unmistakably mine alone.<br />
i&#8217;d be hiding if i used some other name&#8230;</p>
<p>-bowerbird</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Edhouse</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2009/03/23/after-the-advertising-bubble-bursts/comment-page-2/#comment-153741</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Edhouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 00:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bowerbird... 

You are comparing yourself to Mark Twain and Bob Dylan? I won&#039;t even comment on that...

&#039;Bowerbird&#039; is, as Pseudonym... commenting here without using your real name is tantamount to being a &#039;Troll&#039; ....pure and simple

Here&#039;s an article by Kathryn Darden on: 
Using Avatars &amp; Pseudonyms - License for Rude Behavior?
http://tinyurl.com/cnyy7t

This is exactly the pattern you have followed... using a Pseudonym to come here and say whatever your like, with as little accountability as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bowerbird&#8230; </p>
<p>You are comparing yourself to Mark Twain and Bob Dylan? I won&#8217;t even comment on that&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8216;Bowerbird&#8217; is, as Pseudonym&#8230; commenting here without using your real name is tantamount to being a &#8216;Troll&#8217; &#8230;.pure and simple</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an article by Kathryn Darden on:<br />
Using Avatars &amp; Pseudonyms &#8211; License for Rude Behavior?<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/cnyy7t" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/cnyy7t</a></p>
<p>This is exactly the pattern you have followed&#8230; using a Pseudonym to come here and say whatever your like, with as little accountability as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: bowerbird</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2009/03/23/after-the-advertising-bubble-bursts/comment-page-2/#comment-153675</link>
		<dc:creator>bowerbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow.  simon is going ballistic on twitter.
slimy.  i feel like i need to take a shower.

-bowerbird</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow.  simon is going ballistic on twitter.<br />
slimy.  i feel like i need to take a shower.</p>
<p>-bowerbird</p>
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		<title>By: bowerbird</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2009/03/23/after-the-advertising-bubble-bursts/comment-page-2/#comment-153656</link>
		<dc:creator>bowerbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 18:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bowerbird is not a &quot;fake&quot; name, simon.

it&#039;s my poetry name, and i have been
interacting exclusively with that name
since i got on the web back in 1996...
(under poetry, i&#039;ve used it since 1987.)

so i would suppose you would say that
robert zimmerman was &quot;hiding behind&quot;
the &quot;fake name&quot; of bob dylan, right?

or that samuel langhorne clemens was
also just &quot;an invisible coward&quot; who was
&quot;hiding behind&quot; his mark twain moniker.

or perhaps eric arthur blair was afraid of 
&quot;big brother&quot; for real, and that&#039;s why he
wrote as george orwell?

do you know any more about those
3 people knowing their &quot;real&quot; names?

conversely, would your own message
be any less obtuse, simon, if i were to
dub you &quot;bitter gobbledygook idiot&quot;?

as for my &quot;fanciful utopian dribble&quot;,
exactly what part of &quot;i don&#039;t give a
flying fuck if you &#039;take me seriously&#039;&quot;
did you fail to understand, simon?

-bowerbird</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bowerbird is not a &#8220;fake&#8221; name, simon.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s my poetry name, and i have been<br />
interacting exclusively with that name<br />
since i got on the web back in 1996&#8230;<br />
(under poetry, i&#8217;ve used it since 1987.)</p>
<p>so i would suppose you would say that<br />
robert zimmerman was &#8220;hiding behind&#8221;<br />
the &#8220;fake name&#8221; of bob dylan, right?</p>
<p>or that samuel langhorne clemens was<br />
also just &#8220;an invisible coward&#8221; who was<br />
&#8220;hiding behind&#8221; his mark twain moniker.</p>
<p>or perhaps eric arthur blair was afraid of<br />
&#8220;big brother&#8221; for real, and that&#8217;s why he<br />
wrote as george orwell?</p>
<p>do you know any more about those<br />
3 people knowing their &#8220;real&#8221; names?</p>
<p>conversely, would your own message<br />
be any less obtuse, simon, if i were to<br />
dub you &#8220;bitter gobbledygook idiot&#8221;?</p>
<p>as for my &#8220;fanciful utopian dribble&#8221;,<br />
exactly what part of &#8220;i don&#8217;t give a<br />
flying fuck if you &#8216;take me seriously&#8217;&#8221;<br />
did you fail to understand, simon?</p>
<p>-bowerbird</p>
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		<title>By: Crosbie Fitch</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2009/03/23/after-the-advertising-bubble-bursts/comment-page-2/#comment-153641</link>
		<dc:creator>Crosbie Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yo, Simon! :)

In a parallel universe Bowerbird is substituted by someone such as myself, someone without a pseudonym, and a site called 1p2U (as in &#039;1 penny to you&#039;). This is a site to permit a blogger&#039;s readers to pay them to blog, at the rate of a penny per article.

It utilises a web service called The Contingency Market, that is to enable people to make monetary exchanges contingent upon the outcome of dependent future events, e.g. the publication of intellectual works.

Given neither of these are yet operational, my words can also be written off as utopian drivel, but heck, it&#039;s good to dream eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo, Simon! <img src='http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>In a parallel universe Bowerbird is substituted by someone such as myself, someone without a pseudonym, and a site called 1p2U (as in &#8216;1 penny to you&#8217;). This is a site to permit a blogger&#8217;s readers to pay them to blog, at the rate of a penny per article.</p>
<p>It utilises a web service called The Contingency Market, that is to enable people to make monetary exchanges contingent upon the outcome of dependent future events, e.g. the publication of intellectual works.</p>
<p>Given neither of these are yet operational, my words can also be written off as utopian drivel, but heck, it&#8217;s good to dream eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Edhouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Edhouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bowerbird... 

Doc suggested we close the thread... But you have decided to taint the discussion with bitchiness... and now have become down right insulting.

I typed that post quickly at about 7.15 am before dropping my kids to school...  It was a typo, because I was rushing... Of course I can spell &#039;intellectual&#039;... 

I.P. is &#039;Intellectual Property&#039;... as I am sure you know. My motivations are not based on greed, but rather to try and protect ideas that have had years of work (by a number of people) put into them, that others may immitate, plunder and execute badly.

My I.P. is about empowering ordinary people at the edges of the internet to gain power over centralized corporate forces... but am I a bleeding-heart nihilistic completely non-commercial person? Of course not... I have two children to put through school and college and to feed and look after and other loved ones to support. - So, do I want to earn some income from my hard work, and support others who work with me to do the same? Yes...

At least I have the courage to say who I am, and to write openly and concisely about my ideas and principles, and put them on the public record, for all to see... and not hide behind a pseudonym. 

Who are you mate?  

Besides an invisible coward who hides behind a fake name, and a link to: http://worthapenny.com with it&#039;s 34 words of fanciful utopian dribble</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bowerbird&#8230; </p>
<p>Doc suggested we close the thread&#8230; But you have decided to taint the discussion with bitchiness&#8230; and now have become down right insulting.</p>
<p>I typed that post quickly at about 7.15 am before dropping my kids to school&#8230;  It was a typo, because I was rushing&#8230; Of course I can spell &#8216;intellectual&#8217;&#8230; </p>
<p>I.P. is &#8216;Intellectual Property&#8217;&#8230; as I am sure you know. My motivations are not based on greed, but rather to try and protect ideas that have had years of work (by a number of people) put into them, that others may immitate, plunder and execute badly.</p>
<p>My I.P. is about empowering ordinary people at the edges of the internet to gain power over centralized corporate forces&#8230; but am I a bleeding-heart nihilistic completely non-commercial person? Of course not&#8230; I have two children to put through school and college and to feed and look after and other loved ones to support. &#8211; So, do I want to earn some income from my hard work, and support others who work with me to do the same? Yes&#8230;</p>
<p>At least I have the courage to say who I am, and to write openly and concisely about my ideas and principles, and put them on the public record, for all to see&#8230; and not hide behind a pseudonym. </p>
<p>Who are you mate?  </p>
<p>Besides an invisible coward who hides behind a fake name, and a link to: <a href="http://worthapenny.com" rel="nofollow">http://worthapenny.com</a> with it&#8217;s 34 words of fanciful utopian dribble</p>
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		<title>By: bowerbird</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2009/03/23/after-the-advertising-bubble-bursts/comment-page-2/#comment-153217</link>
		<dc:creator>bowerbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 06:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>simon!  simon!  simon!

you have been a _huge_ waste of time!

and then you say this?
&gt;   I&#039;m hardly likely to spill my 
&gt;   I.P. out here in a public forum.

your &quot;i.p.&quot;?  my goodness gracious!  you
are looking for a way to get yourself paid?

i am trying to get _everyone_ paid!
and shatter the notion of &quot;property&quot;
in the process.  no wonder that we&#039;ve
been totally unable to communicate...


&gt;   I am just doing what I can 
&gt;   to stir people up… 

sorry, you haven&#039;t done that here.


&gt;   promote vigorous intellectiual debate

you can&#039;t even _spell_ &quot;intellectual.&quot;

and vigor?  this interaction was _limp_...


&gt;   challenge dogmas and preconceptions 

nope and nope.


&gt;   etc etc… 

and nope and nope again.


&gt;   If someone wants to seriously engage 
&gt;   me on practical plans, I am all ears.

well, for someone who is &quot;all ears&quot;, you
certainly don&#039;t seem to be able to listen.

and when i ask for _your_ vision, you
clam up, the better to guard your &quot;i.p.&quot;.

so i&#039;m not really sure why you showed up,
simon, not sure why you showed up at all.

because you know what they say:
lead, follow, or get out of the way.

-bowerbird</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>simon!  simon!  simon!</p>
<p>you have been a _huge_ waste of time!</p>
<p>and then you say this?<br />
&gt;   I&#8217;m hardly likely to spill my<br />
&gt;   I.P. out here in a public forum.</p>
<p>your &#8220;i.p.&#8221;?  my goodness gracious!  you<br />
are looking for a way to get yourself paid?</p>
<p>i am trying to get _everyone_ paid!<br />
and shatter the notion of &#8220;property&#8221;<br />
in the process.  no wonder that we&#8217;ve<br />
been totally unable to communicate&#8230;</p>
<p>&gt;   I am just doing what I can<br />
&gt;   to stir people up… </p>
<p>sorry, you haven&#8217;t done that here.</p>
<p>&gt;   promote vigorous intellectiual debate</p>
<p>you can&#8217;t even _spell_ &#8220;intellectual.&#8221;</p>
<p>and vigor?  this interaction was _limp_&#8230;</p>
<p>&gt;   challenge dogmas and preconceptions </p>
<p>nope and nope.</p>
<p>&gt;   etc etc… </p>
<p>and nope and nope again.</p>
<p>&gt;   If someone wants to seriously engage<br />
&gt;   me on practical plans, I am all ears.</p>
<p>well, for someone who is &#8220;all ears&#8221;, you<br />
certainly don&#8217;t seem to be able to listen.</p>
<p>and when i ask for _your_ vision, you<br />
clam up, the better to guard your &#8220;i.p.&#8221;.</p>
<p>so i&#8217;m not really sure why you showed up,<br />
simon, not sure why you showed up at all.</p>
<p>because you know what they say:<br />
lead, follow, or get out of the way.</p>
<p>-bowerbird</p>
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