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	<title>Comments on: Moving past marketing</title>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls Weblog &#183; Silos End</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2009/04/24/moving-past-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-161831</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Searls Weblog &#183; Silos End</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 16:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to Keith McArthur for clueing me in on Cluetrainplus10, in which folks comment on each of Cluetrain&#8217;s 95 theses, on roughly [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to Keith McArthur for clueing me in on Cluetrainplus10, in which folks comment on each of Cluetrain&#8217;s 95 theses, on roughly [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Warot</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2009/04/24/moving-past-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-161403</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Warot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the benchmark for anything that we adopt in the future should be:


Did I learn anything new from my time spent using X?


If not... why not?  Was it close? How could it be done slightly differently, to yield much better results?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the benchmark for anything that we adopt in the future should be:</p>
<p>Did I learn anything new from my time spent using X?</p>
<p>If not&#8230; why not?  Was it close? How could it be done slightly differently, to yield much better results?</p>
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		<title>By: Keith McArthur</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2009/04/24/moving-past-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-160920</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith McArthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 23:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doc - Wanted to give you a heads-up that tomorrow (April 28) is the day bloggers around the world are using to commemorate the 10-year anniversary of Cluetrain in the cluetrainplus10 project. The idea is 95 bloggers each reflecting on one of the 95 theses.

Chris Locke is participating and - if you&#039;d like to join - there are still some theses available on the cluetrainplus10 wiki. If not, I hope you enjoy the reading!

http://cluetrainplus10.pbwiki.com/Sign-up-here</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc &#8211; Wanted to give you a heads-up that tomorrow (April 28) is the day bloggers around the world are using to commemorate the 10-year anniversary of Cluetrain in the cluetrainplus10 project. The idea is 95 bloggers each reflecting on one of the 95 theses.</p>
<p>Chris Locke is participating and &#8211; if you&#8217;d like to join &#8211; there are still some theses available on the cluetrainplus10 wiki. If not, I hope you enjoy the reading!</p>
<p><a href="http://cluetrainplus10.pbwiki.com/Sign-up-here" rel="nofollow">http://cluetrainplus10.pbwiki.com/Sign-up-here</a></p>
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		<title>By: Daily Digest for 2009-04-24 &#124; Joe Spake - Memphis Real Estate</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2009/04/24/moving-past-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-160041</link>
		<dc:creator>Daily Digest for 2009-04-24 &#124; Joe Spake - Memphis Real Estate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 07:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bookmarked a link on Delicious. Doc Searls Weblog · Moving past marketing [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chris Locke</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2009/04/24/moving-past-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-159959</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Locke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stowe wrote...

&quot;A more considered response would likely focus on supporting Edglings efforts to create meaningful relationships with others, taking some sort of role in the activities that they participate in online, and affiliating with the aspirations that they have. There is a lot of room in there to explore, but it is all pretty far away from advertising and promotion, which still seems to be the center of gravity for online marketing, at the moment.&quot;

Yes, great idea! In 2001, I wrote an entire book on that subject. It&#039;s called Gonzo Marketing: Winning Through Worst Practices. 

http://amazon.com/dp/0738207691/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stowe wrote&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;A more considered response would likely focus on supporting Edglings efforts to create meaningful relationships with others, taking some sort of role in the activities that they participate in online, and affiliating with the aspirations that they have. There is a lot of room in there to explore, but it is all pretty far away from advertising and promotion, which still seems to be the center of gravity for online marketing, at the moment.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, great idea! In 2001, I wrote an entire book on that subject. It&#8217;s called Gonzo Marketing: Winning Through Worst Practices. </p>
<p><a href="http://amazon.com/dp/0738207691/" rel="nofollow">http://amazon.com/dp/0738207691/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jon McLeod</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2009/04/24/moving-past-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-159946</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon McLeod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic post!  I was having a similar discussion today with a small-bussiness newspaper editor, covering everything from misunderstandings to misuses of online media.  Thanks for posting a well-thought and concise commentary!

J</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic post!  I was having a similar discussion today with a small-bussiness newspaper editor, covering everything from misunderstandings to misuses of online media.  Thanks for posting a well-thought and concise commentary!</p>
<p>J</p>
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		<title>By: Tom O'Brien</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2009/04/24/moving-past-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-159919</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Doc:

I read Stowe&#039;s post - and I think this is largely a semantic argument.  I am a Cluetrain fan from way back - and I understand it the way you to.  It is about people connecting to each other across time and space.  It isn&#039;t about talking at people or especially about conversational marketing.

Smart marketers are figuring out how to be useful and relevant to the communities that care about their brands.  This is not conversational marketing - it is about forming human, helpful connected relationships.

Just yesterday I put up a blog post arguing that communities don&#039;t care about brands - http://tinyurl.com/cyv4ns - and I think it supports your argument.

TO&#039;B</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Doc:</p>
<p>I read Stowe&#8217;s post &#8211; and I think this is largely a semantic argument.  I am a Cluetrain fan from way back &#8211; and I understand it the way you to.  It is about people connecting to each other across time and space.  It isn&#8217;t about talking at people or especially about conversational marketing.</p>
<p>Smart marketers are figuring out how to be useful and relevant to the communities that care about their brands.  This is not conversational marketing &#8211; it is about forming human, helpful connected relationships.</p>
<p>Just yesterday I put up a blog post arguing that communities don&#8217;t care about brands &#8211; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/cyv4ns" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/cyv4ns</a> &#8211; and I think it supports your argument.</p>
<p>TO&#8217;B</p>
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		<title>By: Kristine Lowe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2009/04/24/moving-past-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-159918</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristine Lowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking forward to the new chapters:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking forward to the new chapters:-)</p>
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