Comments on: Journalism and Net Nativity http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2009/05/26/taking-the-ournol-out-of-journalism/ Same old blog, brand new place Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:14:34 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: We all have our crosses to climb | dv8-designs http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2009/05/26/taking-the-ournol-out-of-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-173028 We all have our crosses to climb | dv8-designs Wed, 03 Jun 2009 05:07:04 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/?p=1599#comment-173028 [...] I reported hearing that the New York Times was thinking about putting its editorial behind a paywall again. Today [...] [...] I reported hearing that the New York Times was thinking about putting its editorial behind a paywall again. Today [...]

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]]> By: Doc Searls Weblog · We all have our crosses to climb http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2009/05/26/taking-the-ournol-out-of-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-170355 Doc Searls Weblog · We all have our crosses to climb Thu, 28 May 2009 20:01:57 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/?p=1599#comment-170355 [...] I reported hearing that the New York Times was thinking about putting its editorial behind a paywall again. Today [...] [...] I reported hearing that the New York Times was thinking about putting its editorial behind a paywall again. Today [...]

]]> By: Chip http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2009/05/26/taking-the-ournol-out-of-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-170114 Chip Thu, 28 May 2009 00:20:19 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/?p=1599#comment-170114 Doc I think most of the Sunday Morning stuff is online I sometimes use it to watch George S. & crew Time ... I'm multitasking - TV with DVR for ... "what was it he/she said" while laptop working Busy here too ... Ciao Chip Doc
I think most of the Sunday Morning stuff is online
I sometimes use it to watch George S. & crew

Time … I’m multitasking – TV with DVR for … “what was it he/she said” while laptop working

Busy here too …

Ciao
Chip

]]> By: rjh http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2009/05/26/taking-the-ournol-out-of-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-170097 rjh Wed, 27 May 2009 23:11:36 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/?p=1599#comment-170097 There is also the Christian Science Monitor continuing it's different drummer path to news. They weren't a normal paper, and are now also a different online setting. The remaining strength for the newspaper is it's management of the shills, charlatans, and advertising. Newspapers still (usually) make clear whether it's news, shill, or advertising. That is weakening, in part I think because they have some absurd notions about "objectivity". Most readers don't want their specious objectivity. The reader just wants to be able to recognize and separate opinion, observation, shilling, and advertising. At present it is not easy to separate the shill and charlatan from the honest observer in blogs, twitter, etc. There is also the Christian Science Monitor continuing it’s different drummer path to news. They weren’t a normal paper, and are now also a different online setting.

The remaining strength for the newspaper is it’s management of the shills, charlatans, and advertising. Newspapers still (usually) make clear whether it’s news, shill, or advertising. That is weakening, in part I think because they have some absurd notions about “objectivity”. Most readers don’t want their specious objectivity. The reader just wants to be able to recognize and separate opinion, observation, shilling, and advertising.

At present it is not easy to separate the shill and charlatan from the honest observer in blogs, twitter, etc.

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]]> By: Doc Searls http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2009/05/26/taking-the-ournol-out-of-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-170062 Doc Searls Wed, 27 May 2009 21:00:41 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/?p=1599#comment-170062 Thanks, Chip. I've seen and pointed to Clay's piece before. Good one. If I watched even a little TV before axing it, I'd probably hold through the DVR for the Sunday morning stuff. But watching takes time and attention, and I don't have much of either, which is why I haven't been blogging much of late. Thanks, Chip.

I’ve seen and pointed to Clay’s piece before. Good one.

If I watched even a little TV before axing it, I’d probably hold through the DVR for the Sunday morning stuff. But watching takes time and attention, and I don’t have much of either, which is why I haven’t been blogging much of late.

]]> By: Chip http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2009/05/26/taking-the-ournol-out-of-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-170047 Chip Wed, 27 May 2009 19:31:41 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/?p=1599#comment-170047 Doc Good to see a "think piece" from you again. Quick replies I rather like the new Newsweek, waited until the weekend, read most of it, and on reflection, it's a bit like my Sunday routine of : CBS Sunday Morning while cooking and/or eating breakfast. Other Sunday (non shouting) shows like Face the Nation, Stephanopolus(sp?) and now GPS (Zakaria) ... all DVR'd for interruption (commercails) zapping. Noting that, in general, the ads are well downmarket, Billy Mayes type stuff. The rest of network TV is back to the wasteland. Sports will still be compelling to those who follow them, as they are (somewhat) unpredictable. CNBC works with the DVR well, as well as the mute function. Slashes reading of WSJournal, even when that is online. NYTimes is still my go to paper (filters on) as the Economist for weekly. So many sources are online, from Nouriel Roubini to Kudlow I'm sure you've seen Clay's Gin, Television, and Social Surplus http://www.shirky.com/herecomeseverybody/2008/04/looking-for-the-mouse.html Olde TV is dead, the devices may yet be useful, even if the "networks" aren't Ciao Chip Doc
Good to see a “think piece” from you again.
Quick replies
I rather like the new Newsweek, waited until the weekend, read most of it, and on reflection, it’s a bit like my Sunday routine of : CBS Sunday Morning while cooking and/or eating breakfast.
Other Sunday (non shouting) shows like Face the Nation, Stephanopolus(sp?) and now GPS (Zakaria) … all DVR’d for interruption (commercails) zapping.

Noting that, in general, the ads are well downmarket, Billy Mayes type stuff.

The rest of network TV is back to the wasteland.
Sports will still be compelling to those who follow them, as they are (somewhat) unpredictable.

CNBC works with the DVR well, as well as the mute function.
Slashes reading of WSJournal, even when that is online.
NYTimes is still my go to paper (filters on) as the Economist for weekly.

So many sources are online, from Nouriel Roubini to Kudlow

I’m sure you’ve seen Clay’s Gin, Television, and Social Surplus
http://www.shirky.com/herecomeseverybody/2008/04/looking-for-the-mouse.html

Olde TV is dead, the devices may yet be useful, even if the “networks” aren’t

Ciao
Chip

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