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		<title>By: Adrian Blakey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2009/07/07/a-good-man-is-hard-to-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-213634</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Blakey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Digital Deal&quot; - a simple idea as I remember it - let me try, (ask Johannes Ernst about it too).

A consumer often unwittingly agrees to the terms or an agreement presented to them by a service or product provider by either checking the box marked &quot;I agree&quot; on the web page, or by &quot;opening the box.&quot;

The terms are often presented in a manner that are hard to understand. And, for the vendor to make money their business model (might) have to claim rights that an unsuspecting consumer might not give up if they were fully understood the agreement.  

There is no explicit description of that exchange of value between the provider and the consumer that is written in a form that is easy to understand. If there was, it might be branded &quot;the digital deal.&quot;

If I remember rightly he was very concerned that as technologists we were the people who should be engaged in this debate, since we were unwittingly creating complex systems with embedded rules that have enormous consequences and impact people&#039;s privacy and fundamental rights. Sure as heck government is not helping the consumer, so why don&#039;t we help ourselves, and at least expose it? At the time Johannes was also proposing a reestablishment of &quot;digital human rights&quot;, which he should talk about (also remember Bush was still around ...)

Just taking this a step further. If there was such a thing, maybe it would open up the opportunity for a consumer to negotiate their own deal. This might not be such an extreme thought if you add up - ownership of your own digital identity+the long tail+Web 2.0+collaborations etc. PLUS an explicit rendition of the terms and then maybe negotiation protocols?)  It might facilitate a more equinanimous distribution of wealth - maybe Google would be more like a mutual society than a (not so) evil empire ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Digital Deal&#8221; &#8211; a simple idea as I remember it &#8211; let me try, (ask Johannes Ernst about it too).</p>
<p>A consumer often unwittingly agrees to the terms or an agreement presented to them by a service or product provider by either checking the box marked &#8220;I agree&#8221; on the web page, or by &#8220;opening the box.&#8221;</p>
<p>The terms are often presented in a manner that are hard to understand. And, for the vendor to make money their business model (might) have to claim rights that an unsuspecting consumer might not give up if they were fully understood the agreement.  </p>
<p>There is no explicit description of that exchange of value between the provider and the consumer that is written in a form that is easy to understand. If there was, it might be branded &#8220;the digital deal.&#8221;</p>
<p>If I remember rightly he was very concerned that as technologists we were the people who should be engaged in this debate, since we were unwittingly creating complex systems with embedded rules that have enormous consequences and impact people&#8217;s privacy and fundamental rights. Sure as heck government is not helping the consumer, so why don&#8217;t we help ourselves, and at least expose it? At the time Johannes was also proposing a reestablishment of &#8220;digital human rights&#8221;, which he should talk about (also remember Bush was still around &#8230;)</p>
<p>Just taking this a step further. If there was such a thing, maybe it would open up the opportunity for a consumer to negotiate their own deal. This might not be such an extreme thought if you add up &#8211; ownership of your own digital identity+the long tail+Web 2.0+collaborations etc. PLUS an explicit rendition of the terms and then maybe negotiation protocols?)  It might facilitate a more equinanimous distribution of wealth &#8211; maybe Google would be more like a mutual society than a (not so) evil empire <img src='http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2009/07/07/a-good-man-is-hard-to-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-190910</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Searls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adrian, we are trying to get details of that &quot;digital deal&quot; together. Can you write down or share with us what you remember of it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrian, we are trying to get details of that &#8220;digital deal&#8221; together. Can you write down or share with us what you remember of it?</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Blakey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2009/07/07/a-good-man-is-hard-to-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-190904</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Blakey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am oh so sad about this. I met him last year at the IIW in Santa Clara - he pitched the &quot;digital deal&quot; - what a plainly simple great idea. I am crying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am oh so sad about this. I met him last year at the IIW in Santa Clara &#8211; he pitched the &#8220;digital deal&#8221; &#8211; what a plainly simple great idea. I am crying.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ Nelson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2009/07/07/a-good-man-is-hard-to-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-190838</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bonnie Tinker was the founder and executive director of Love Makes a Family, an advocate for eliminating discrimination against families who are out of the majority for reasons of sexual or gender identity.  She attended Grinnell College, was a firebrand even then, and may very well have visited or spoken at Guilford.

I wish I&#039;d known Nick.  We would probably have enjoyed tractor-geeking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bonnie Tinker was the founder and executive director of Love Makes a Family, an advocate for eliminating discrimination against families who are out of the majority for reasons of sexual or gender identity.  She attended Grinnell College, was a firebrand even then, and may very well have visited or spoken at Guilford.</p>
<p>I wish I&#8217;d known Nick.  We would probably have enjoyed tractor-geeking.</p>
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		<title>By: Episode 14 &#8211; Was bringt eigentlich Data Portability?</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2009/07/07/a-good-man-is-hard-to-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-189941</link>
		<dc:creator>Episode 14 &#8211; Was bringt eigentlich Data Portability?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Nick Givotovsky [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Wes Kussmaul</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2009/07/07/a-good-man-is-hard-to-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-189718</link>
		<dc:creator>Wes Kussmaul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, what distressing news!

What a loss!

Nick had as keen a grasp as anyone of the real issues around protection of privacy while living life in the information world. I recall a wonderful conversation with Nick and Owen Davis about bringing authenticity and privacy to child-oriented social networks. A very insightful guy, and lots of fun to klatsch with about not just privacy but his family, his farm and... his tractor.

My heartfelt condolences to Laura Ellen, Nina and Sasha, if they happen to read this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, what distressing news!</p>
<p>What a loss!</p>
<p>Nick had as keen a grasp as anyone of the real issues around protection of privacy while living life in the information world. I recall a wonderful conversation with Nick and Owen Davis about bringing authenticity and privacy to child-oriented social networks. A very insightful guy, and lots of fun to klatsch with about not just privacy but his family, his farm and&#8230; his tractor.</p>
<p>My heartfelt condolences to Laura Ellen, Nina and Sasha, if they happen to read this.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2009/07/07/a-good-man-is-hard-to-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-189638</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Searls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 06:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa... Bonnie Tinker... Did she have any connection to Guilford College, by any chance? She seems very familiar to me. We&#039;re about the same age. I went to Guilford, married a quaker girl... might have crossed paths somewhere back there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa&#8230; Bonnie Tinker&#8230; Did she have any connection to Guilford College, by any chance? She seems very familiar to me. We&#8217;re about the same age. I went to Guilford, married a quaker girl&#8230; might have crossed paths somewhere back there.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ Nelson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2009/07/07/a-good-man-is-hard-to-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-189594</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 06:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can but wish for Nick what I would hope for myself in the same situation.

(I saw a Friend--Bonnie Tinker--lying badly injured and dying a minute after a bicycle accident while at the Quaker Gathering a few weeks ago. ... There but for the Grace of God go I.  But I&#039;m not going to let her death stop me from bicycling, nor Nick&#039;s death from bush-hogging.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can but wish for Nick what I would hope for myself in the same situation.</p>
<p>(I saw a Friend&#8211;Bonnie Tinker&#8211;lying badly injured and dying a minute after a bicycle accident while at the Quaker Gathering a few weeks ago. &#8230; There but for the Grace of God go I.  But I&#8217;m not going to let her death stop me from bicycling, nor Nick&#8217;s death from bush-hogging.)</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Greenstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howard Greenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for a great memory of Nick, Doc. I met him at the first Jerry&#039;s retreat I think, and always enjoyed our great long talks. In the last few years they tended to focus on our kids, as dads often will. I&#039;m so saddened for his family, and especially for those kids who will miss his influence as a real mensch in their lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for a great memory of Nick, Doc. I met him at the first Jerry&#8217;s retreat I think, and always enjoyed our great long talks. In the last few years they tended to focus on our kids, as dads often will. I&#8217;m so saddened for his family, and especially for those kids who will miss his influence as a real mensch in their lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc Searls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Suzanne. We&#039;re all still dealing. Nice was an ace. He&#039;s missed as a friend and colleague. And what he&#039;s not contributing is missed too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Suzanne. We&#8217;re all still dealing. Nice was an ace. He&#8217;s missed as a friend and colleague. And what he&#8217;s not contributing is missed too.</p>
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