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		<title>By: Daniel.S</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2011/02/18/bring-on-the-live-web/comment-page-1/#comment-281555</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel.S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Todd

I have to agree with Duncan above. The need to continuously pay attention through fear of missing something wizzing past you. This state of flux is getting worse in my opinion.</description>
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<p>I have to agree with Duncan above. The need to continuously pay attention through fear of missing something wizzing past you. This state of flux is getting worse in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Working Smarter Top 20 Hot List</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2011/02/18/bring-on-the-live-web/comment-page-1/#comment-281329</link>
		<dc:creator>Working Smarter Top 20 Hot List</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 17:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bring on The Live Web- Doc Searls , February 18, 2011 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: &#187; Bookmarks for February 28th sumit/blog</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2011/02/18/bring-on-the-live-web/comment-page-1/#comment-281168</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Bookmarks for February 28th sumit/blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 23:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Doc Searls Weblog · Bring on The Live Web - [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Duncan Bigelow</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2011/02/18/bring-on-the-live-web/comment-page-1/#comment-281055</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Bigelow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Feb 2011 13:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion all this &lt;a href=&quot;http://onlineloan24.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;online&lt;/a&gt; social networking services are causing the world wide web to exist in an ever growing state of flux. Information is extremely temporary and is updated so frequently that unless you continuously pay attention to it much of it will simple be lost. I don&#039;t think I really like this idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion all this <a href="http://onlineloan24.com/" rel="nofollow">online</a> social networking services are causing the world wide web to exist in an ever growing state of flux. Information is extremely temporary and is updated so frequently that unless you continuously pay attention to it much of it will simple be lost. I don&#8217;t think I really like this idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc's Voice &#187; Blogging 3rd week of Feb. &#8217;11</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2011/02/18/bring-on-the-live-web/comment-page-1/#comment-280996</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc's Voice &#187; Blogging 3rd week of Feb. &#8217;11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 03:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bring on the live web - Doc Searls [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2011/02/18/bring-on-the-live-web/comment-page-1/#comment-280987</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Searls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 05:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Todd.

The problem (as I see it at 12:16am) is context. The Live Web we have now is increasingly a stream of ephemera constructed to flow &quot;content&quot; at &quot;consumers&quot; who might click on ads. Too little persists. There is no sense of archival value, much less any tracing back in time. It&#039;s all snow on the water. Fixity be damned.

So I agree that much is lost as less remains static. 

But, it&#039;s still early. I have hope. But then, I&#039;m an optimist.

More when I&#039;m awake and done with the book draft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Todd.</p>
<p>The problem (as I see it at 12:16am) is context. The Live Web we have now is increasingly a stream of ephemera constructed to flow &#8220;content&#8221; at &#8220;consumers&#8221; who might click on ads. Too little persists. There is no sense of archival value, much less any tracing back in time. It&#8217;s all snow on the water. Fixity be damned.</p>
<p>So I agree that much is lost as less remains static. </p>
<p>But, it&#8217;s still early. I have hope. But then, I&#8217;m an optimist.</p>
<p>More when I&#8217;m awake and done with the book draft.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2011/02/18/bring-on-the-live-web/comment-page-1/#comment-280981</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2011 16:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something of a side note of reflection about your post, Doc, which is great BTW.  Cheers to Allen for coining the term! There is something of critical value in information distribution, called fixity which is lost in a Live Web.  If each time we load a web-based document, it is specific to our own information at the time, and our experience of the web is uniquely crafted to our own information (aggregated or personal), than there is truly nothing fixed, referencable or linkable.  

The basis for Brin &amp; Page&#039;s PhD work at Stanford before they left to start Google was essentially scholarly bibliometrics based on publication citation linking in an online context.  In a world where the content you view and consume is ephemeral, the opportunities for referencing content (i.e., linking are diminished).  Shared digital experience is lost, as is the potential for a historical publication record.

While some work has been done on this, as my organization (http://www.niso.org) has led with the Digital Object Identifier, DOI, (http://www.doi.org), the problem becomes much more challenging outside the scholarly realm, where fewer people think about or care about this question.  You&#039;ve written about something similar to this, last summer in something like &quot;Everything online is rented&quot;, which I&#039;ve cited in my own writing a couple of times.

Increasingly as we move to an era when print publication is decreasing and being replaced with online-only publication, much of which is &quot;live&quot; so to speak, we risk entering into a historical black hole, where no one will be able to replicate your or my reading experience, possibly the entire narrative, both written and in other media.  

We might not care much about it, however, there are a variety of attempts to &#039;scrub&#039; history from the web and the opportunities to do so will only increase as there is less &#039;real-world&#039; media and people become more aware of the opportunities.  While folks like Brewster Kahle and his team at the Internet Archive are working to address this, there is a far messier world and it&#039;s far bigger than the IA team can handle.  There really needs to be more focus on this area.

Be keen on your riff on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something of a side note of reflection about your post, Doc, which is great BTW.  Cheers to Allen for coining the term! There is something of critical value in information distribution, called fixity which is lost in a Live Web.  If each time we load a web-based document, it is specific to our own information at the time, and our experience of the web is uniquely crafted to our own information (aggregated or personal), than there is truly nothing fixed, referencable or linkable.  </p>
<p>The basis for Brin &amp; Page&#8217;s PhD work at Stanford before they left to start Google was essentially scholarly bibliometrics based on publication citation linking in an online context.  In a world where the content you view and consume is ephemeral, the opportunities for referencing content (i.e., linking are diminished).  Shared digital experience is lost, as is the potential for a historical publication record.</p>
<p>While some work has been done on this, as my organization (<a href="http://www.niso.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.niso.org</a>) has led with the Digital Object Identifier, DOI, (<a href="http://www.doi.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.doi.org</a>), the problem becomes much more challenging outside the scholarly realm, where fewer people think about or care about this question.  You&#8217;ve written about something similar to this, last summer in something like &#8220;Everything online is rented&#8221;, which I&#8217;ve cited in my own writing a couple of times.</p>
<p>Increasingly as we move to an era when print publication is decreasing and being replaced with online-only publication, much of which is &#8220;live&#8221; so to speak, we risk entering into a historical black hole, where no one will be able to replicate your or my reading experience, possibly the entire narrative, both written and in other media.  </p>
<p>We might not care much about it, however, there are a variety of attempts to &#8216;scrub&#8217; history from the web and the opportunities to do so will only increase as there is less &#8216;real-world&#8217; media and people become more aware of the opportunities.  While folks like Brewster Kahle and his team at the Internet Archive are working to address this, there is a far messier world and it&#8217;s far bigger than the IA team can handle.  There really needs to be more focus on this area.</p>
<p>Be keen on your riff on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Ainslie (@AAinslie)</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2011/02/18/bring-on-the-live-web/comment-page-1/#comment-280976</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Ainslie (@AAinslie)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2011 10:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Less top-down Cathedrals; More bottom-up Bazaars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Less top-down Cathedrals; More bottom-up Bazaars.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Tremblay</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2011/02/18/bring-on-the-live-web/comment-page-1/#comment-280970</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Tremblay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben above taps the core of my &quot;participatory deliberation&quot; project when he writes, &quot;doesn’t a conversation require ‘submitting’ to someone’s viewpoint while you patiently wait to respond?&quot; When we drill down into &quot;query/response&quot; as the &quot;primal form of communication between humans&quot; we get to the heart of the stuff: why some factoids matter (&quot;information&quot;) and some are just blaw (&quot;data&quot;). &quot;If it matters to someone, then it matters&quot; is my motto. see Jurgen Habermas&#039; &quot;discourse ethics&quot;.  @bentrem stands aside</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben above taps the core of my &#8220;participatory deliberation&#8221; project when he writes, &#8220;doesn’t a conversation require ‘submitting’ to someone’s viewpoint while you patiently wait to respond?&#8221; When we drill down into &#8220;query/response&#8221; as the &#8220;primal form of communication between humans&#8221; we get to the heart of the stuff: why some factoids matter (&#8220;information&#8221;) and some are just blaw (&#8220;data&#8221;). &#8220;If it matters to someone, then it matters&#8221; is my motto. see Jurgen Habermas&#8217; &#8220;discourse ethics&#8221;.  @bentrem stands aside</p>
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		<title>By: Francine hardaway</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2011/02/18/bring-on-the-live-web/comment-page-1/#comment-280963</link>
		<dc:creator>Francine hardaway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Feb 2011 13:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your post led me to two more thoughts: 1) these metaphors make  the web  into circular silos, in which my devices may be connected, but what if a device should not be connected to other devices, but only to it&#039;s manufacturer or repair man or doctor (privately) and 2) the big one: how do we find those places we want to know about but that are new and don&#039;t have a ton of inbound links? That&#039;s what is wrong with Google. It doesn&#039;t have enough link to innovation. or does it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your post led me to two more thoughts: 1) these metaphors make  the web  into circular silos, in which my devices may be connected, but what if a device should not be connected to other devices, but only to it&#8217;s manufacturer or repair man or doctor (privately) and 2) the big one: how do we find those places we want to know about but that are new and don&#8217;t have a ton of inbound links? That&#8217;s what is wrong with Google. It doesn&#8217;t have enough link to innovation. or does it?</p>
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