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		<title>By: Chuck Erickson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2012/02/29/edging-toward-the-fully-licensed-world/comment-page-1/#comment-290587</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Erickson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And into this fray steps the &quot;Ultra Violet&quot; digital license vault.  Doc; where does this piece fit into the common space?</description>
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		<title>By: Interesting stuff from February 27th through March 10th at achurch &#38; associates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interesting stuff from February 27th through March 10th at achurch &#38; associates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2012 05:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Edging toward the fully licensed world &#8211; So who owns what on the Internet? Doc Searls looks at why we need to think now about what sort of “ownership” we want for the Internet, before corporations turn it into a shopping strip, and we lose the freedoms that make the Internet valuable. SOPA, PIPA and ACTA are just the tip of the iceberg … [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Weekly List Bookmarks (weekly) &#124; Eccentric Eclectica @ ToddSuomela.com</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2012/02/29/edging-toward-the-fully-licensed-world/comment-page-1/#comment-288872</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekly List Bookmarks (weekly) &#124; Eccentric Eclectica @ ToddSuomela.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2012 00:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Doc Searls Weblog · Edging toward the fully licensed world [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls Weblog &#183; The death rattles of AM, then FM</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2012/02/29/edging-toward-the-fully-licensed-world/comment-page-1/#comment-288622</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Searls Weblog &#183; The death rattles of AM, then FM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 20:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that are just Facebook, Google+, Twitter and ESPN, we will have moved a long way toward the &#8220;fully licensed world&#8221; I warned about, two posts [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bruce Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 19:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People need to be aware that there are choices out there that don&#039;t require giving up their Fair Use and First Sale rights.  But they need to closely examine what they buy.  The ownership issue you note above is one of the reasons I chose a Nook Tablet instead of a Kindle Fire: Barnes &amp; Noble’s Nook line, while being able to read other formats, uses the open-standard ePub format for its eBooks, and B&amp;N sells all its Nook eBooks in a DRM-free form of that standard.   So unlike Amazon Kindle owners, I own my eBooks!  Even better, Baen Books, the SciFi publishers for much of what I read, even have a “My Books” link on their site that lists all the books I’ve purchased from them, and I can read them online or download them again at will!  We should support with out purchases those that respect our rights, and shun those who do not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People need to be aware that there are choices out there that don&#8217;t require giving up their Fair Use and First Sale rights.  But they need to closely examine what they buy.  The ownership issue you note above is one of the reasons I chose a Nook Tablet instead of a Kindle Fire: Barnes &amp; Noble’s Nook line, while being able to read other formats, uses the open-standard ePub format for its eBooks, and B&amp;N sells all its Nook eBooks in a DRM-free form of that standard.   So unlike Amazon Kindle owners, I own my eBooks!  Even better, Baen Books, the SciFi publishers for much of what I read, even have a “My Books” link on their site that lists all the books I’ve purchased from them, and I can read them online or download them again at will!  We should support with out purchases those that respect our rights, and shun those who do not.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls Weblog &#183; Earth to Cable: You don&#8217;t control us.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc Searls Weblog &#183; Earth to Cable: You don&#8217;t control us.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc Searls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 14:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walt, you put several fingers squarely on several problems.

The English commons, as Lewis Hyde points out, was stinted. Meaning it was not a free and open place where everybody could grow or graze or build what they pleased. Instead it was a place governed by an understanding of common interests. That understanding changed, and eventually enclosure laws subordinated common interests to private ones. But there was also, within the work of private interests, a perceived public good. I think this is where we are now in respect to the Net.

The Net&#039;s commons, never well understood by anybody other than those who designed it (and who don&#039;t all agree about it either), is now provisioned by large cable and phone companies, who limit uses more aggressively in hot new mobile spaces than they do over land lines. Since the wires and spectra are their property (in a de facto if not always in a de jure sense), they should be able to do what they please with them, and a lot of what they please clearly throws off a lot of public good. Doing what they please relies less, as they see it, on the standards that come out of the IETF and the W3C than they do on those that come out of the ITU.

And, indeed, we do need proprietary approches to tackling new opportunities. But we shouldn&#039;t think those should be the only approaches, or that the public goods that comes out of those approaches are the only public goods worth fully respecting. Whether or not it was an accident of history that TCP/IP and other founding protocols organized the Net that came to comprise a vast worldwide commons, the fact remains that this commons does exist, and is highly supportive of boundless business activity. It could hardly be more generative, in the ways Jonathan Zittrain details in &lt;a href=&quot;http://futureoftheinternet.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Future of the Internet — And How to Stop It&lt;/a&gt;. Reducing its scope and supportive power does reduce business opportunity, outside those of the carriers and their favored partners — for example, in the &quot;content&quot; industries. 

John Perry Barlow once remarked, &quot;We didn&#039;t start hearing about &#039;content&#039; until the container business got threatened.&quot; One of my worries is that, to protect their legacy businesses, carriers and content companies will limit what everybody else can do on the wide-open commons the Net&#039;s founding protocols defined. In other words, if what remains of the Net in ten years is TV 2.0, telephony 2.0, publishing 2.0, advertising 2.0 and retailing 2.0 — and the private market spaces those together define — we will have lost more than we can begin to calculate.

The symbiosis between open and closed, proprietary and public domain, has never been fully clear, and I suppose many more decades will pass before it is. Meanwhile some of us need to stand up for both business &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; the public and open market spaces on which business grows. There is very little of that, and perhaps the effort is futile. But I still think some of us should try. That&#039;s all I&#039;m doing with this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walt, you put several fingers squarely on several problems.</p>
<p>The English commons, as Lewis Hyde points out, was stinted. Meaning it was not a free and open place where everybody could grow or graze or build what they pleased. Instead it was a place governed by an understanding of common interests. That understanding changed, and eventually enclosure laws subordinated common interests to private ones. But there was also, within the work of private interests, a perceived public good. I think this is where we are now in respect to the Net.</p>
<p>The Net&#8217;s commons, never well understood by anybody other than those who designed it (and who don&#8217;t all agree about it either), is now provisioned by large cable and phone companies, who limit uses more aggressively in hot new mobile spaces than they do over land lines. Since the wires and spectra are their property (in a de facto if not always in a de jure sense), they should be able to do what they please with them, and a lot of what they please clearly throws off a lot of public good. Doing what they please relies less, as they see it, on the standards that come out of the IETF and the W3C than they do on those that come out of the ITU.</p>
<p>And, indeed, we do need proprietary approches to tackling new opportunities. But we shouldn&#8217;t think those should be the only approaches, or that the public goods that comes out of those approaches are the only public goods worth fully respecting. Whether or not it was an accident of history that TCP/IP and other founding protocols organized the Net that came to comprise a vast worldwide commons, the fact remains that this commons does exist, and is highly supportive of boundless business activity. It could hardly be more generative, in the ways Jonathan Zittrain details in <a href="http://futureoftheinternet.org/" rel="nofollow">The Future of the Internet — And How to Stop It</a>. Reducing its scope and supportive power does reduce business opportunity, outside those of the carriers and their favored partners — for example, in the &#8220;content&#8221; industries. </p>
<p>John Perry Barlow once remarked, &#8220;We didn&#8217;t start hearing about &#8216;content&#8217; until the container business got threatened.&#8221; One of my worries is that, to protect their legacy businesses, carriers and content companies will limit what everybody else can do on the wide-open commons the Net&#8217;s founding protocols defined. In other words, if what remains of the Net in ten years is TV 2.0, telephony 2.0, publishing 2.0, advertising 2.0 and retailing 2.0 — and the private market spaces those together define — we will have lost more than we can begin to calculate.</p>
<p>The symbiosis between open and closed, proprietary and public domain, has never been fully clear, and I suppose many more decades will pass before it is. Meanwhile some of us need to stand up for both business <i>and</i> the public and open market spaces on which business grows. There is very little of that, and perhaps the effort is futile. But I still think some of us should try. That&#8217;s all I&#8217;m doing with this post.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bought a used Bob Dylan LP at a local flea market last fall. I listened to it, and then sold it to a friend. I read probably 50-60 books a year, and normally donate many of them to a local library. In spite of the supposed &quot;sameness&quot; of old LPs and books versus digital media, I can&#039;t do the same with digitally rendered materials. So at the risk of sounding simple minded, why on earth can&#039;t we expect the same from providers of digitally rendered content? After all, we have the technological capability, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought a used Bob Dylan LP at a local flea market last fall. I listened to it, and then sold it to a friend. I read probably 50-60 books a year, and normally donate many of them to a local library. In spite of the supposed &#8220;sameness&#8221; of old LPs and books versus digital media, I can&#8217;t do the same with digitally rendered materials. So at the risk of sounding simple minded, why on earth can&#8217;t we expect the same from providers of digitally rendered content? After all, we have the technological capability, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Weblinks #27 &#124; Rechtsanwalt Martin Steiger</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2012/02/29/edging-toward-the-fully-licensed-world/comment-page-1/#comment-288499</link>
		<dc:creator>Weblinks #27 &#124; Rechtsanwalt Martin Steiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Aus Buchbesitz wird lizenzierter E-Book-Gebrauch: «Edging toward the fully licensed world».  Hinweis: Seit Anfang November 2011 veröffentliche ich in unregel&#173;mässigen Abständen juristische Weblinks zu lesens&#173;werten Inhalten. Hinweise auf empfehlens&#173;werte Weblinks erreichen mich unter meinen Kontakt&#173;adressen.   Montag, 5. März 2012 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc Searls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 19:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy, you aren&#039;t breaking anything to me. Note the adverb &quot;fully&quot; in the title, and my sourcing of Lewis Hyde on the commons. 

Ownership has always been a bundle of rights. &quot;Licenses,&quot; if you will. My concern here is with the drift toward more and more proprietary control of more and more market territory, in large vertical segments (books, music, retail, connectivity), through more controlling and restrictive licensing, by a relatively few large companies and policy-makers. And that we should care about what we&#039;re losing as that happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy, you aren&#8217;t breaking anything to me. Note the adverb &#8220;fully&#8221; in the title, and my sourcing of Lewis Hyde on the commons. </p>
<p>Ownership has always been a bundle of rights. &#8220;Licenses,&#8221; if you will. My concern here is with the drift toward more and more proprietary control of more and more market territory, in large vertical segments (books, music, retail, connectivity), through more controlling and restrictive licensing, by a relatively few large companies and policy-makers. And that we should care about what we&#8217;re losing as that happens.</p>
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