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		<title>By: Bradley</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2013/03/15/apple-please-give-up-on-maps/comment-page-1/#comment-315974</link>
		<dc:creator>Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Apr 2013 14:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Microsoft are forced to offer users a choice of browsers on every copy of Windows. Why aren&#039;t Apple forced to offer a choice of default map app?

And come to think of it, why not force Apple to offer users a choice of browser too? - but I digress.

Everyone seems to love to hate Microsoft, and yet on all versions of Windows I am able to choose which is the default application I use for browsing, image editing, video playing, and so on. 

It&#039;s time for Apple to enable users to choose the default applications in the same manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft are forced to offer users a choice of browsers on every copy of Windows. Why aren&#8217;t Apple forced to offer a choice of default map app?</p>
<p>And come to think of it, why not force Apple to offer users a choice of browser too? &#8211; but I digress.</p>
<p>Everyone seems to love to hate Microsoft, and yet on all versions of Windows I am able to choose which is the default application I use for browsing, image editing, video playing, and so on. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s time for Apple to enable users to choose the default applications in the same manner.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2013/03/15/apple-please-give-up-on-maps/comment-page-1/#comment-315172</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Searls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 00:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joakim, having money doesn&#039;t mean a company is ready to spend the money. And spending the money doesn&#039;t mean the spending will do any good.

Here&#039;s the thing: except for flyover and Siri, Apple&#039;s Maps app is not competitive with Google&#039;s Maps app, or even Bing&#039;s or Here&#039;s. On the road, Waze is way better. Maps are a competitive category as it stands, without Apple.

That said, I&#039;m fine with getting it wrong. If Apple comes out with something better, hats off. But if they do, we can agree it will be for their silo alone. And that too is a deal-killer for many of us. You and me included.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joakim, having money doesn&#8217;t mean a company is ready to spend the money. And spending the money doesn&#8217;t mean the spending will do any good.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the thing: except for flyover and Siri, Apple&#8217;s Maps app is not competitive with Google&#8217;s Maps app, or even Bing&#8217;s or Here&#8217;s. On the road, Waze is way better. Maps are a competitive category as it stands, without Apple.</p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;m fine with getting it wrong. If Apple comes out with something better, hats off. But if they do, we can agree it will be for their silo alone. And that too is a deal-killer for many of us. You and me included.</p>
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		<title>By: Joakim</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2013/03/15/apple-please-give-up-on-maps/comment-page-1/#comment-315144</link>
		<dc:creator>Joakim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 09:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re forgetting one important factor: Apple has &lt;a href=&quot;http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/03/18/apple-cash-hoard-could-hit-170-billion-this-year&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;almost $140 billion in cash in the bank&lt;/a&gt;.  They could try to build almost every service Google offers and not run out of that money.  Not sure why you would ever argue for &lt;i&gt;less&lt;/i&gt; competition, as long as the product isn&#039;t a spectacular failure, which tends to correct itself. ;) Also, you&#039;re not paying for any of these apps, so you can switch back and forth between them whenever you like.  It&#039;s not like you can&#039;t use Google Maps on iOS anymore, it&#039;s still there.

Personally, I would never buy an Apple product, with their crazy stance on patents and how closed they&#039;ve become.  I got my first and last Apple product in 2004, a Powerbook, never again.  But I don&#039;t see why more competition is a bad thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re forgetting one important factor: Apple has <a href="http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/03/18/apple-cash-hoard-could-hit-170-billion-this-year" rel="nofollow">almost $140 billion in cash in the bank</a>.  They could try to build almost every service Google offers and not run out of that money.  Not sure why you would ever argue for <i>less</i> competition, as long as the product isn&#8217;t a spectacular failure, which tends to correct itself. <img src='http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Also, you&#8217;re not paying for any of these apps, so you can switch back and forth between them whenever you like.  It&#8217;s not like you can&#8217;t use Google Maps on iOS anymore, it&#8217;s still there.</p>
<p>Personally, I would never buy an Apple product, with their crazy stance on patents and how closed they&#8217;ve become.  I got my first and last Apple product in 2004, a Powerbook, never again.  But I don&#8217;t see why more competition is a bad thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Downes</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2013/03/15/apple-please-give-up-on-maps/comment-page-1/#comment-315122</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Downes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google Maps could disappear any time, or become a GooglePlus-only feature, or some such thing. So it would be short-sighted of Apple to give up on maps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google Maps could disappear any time, or become a GooglePlus-only feature, or some such thing. So it would be short-sighted of Apple to give up on maps.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2013/03/15/apple-please-give-up-on-maps/comment-page-1/#comment-315054</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Searls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JonW, I don&#039;t think Google&#039;s traffic is fiction at all. From what I can tell it&#039;s based on live, or nearly-live, input from mobile phone use. While there are many cases where the traffic can turn to red on the map after the fact, the latency doesn&#039;t seem very high.

I&#039;ve been using Google&#039;s Maps app in traffic since it came onto the iPhone in early December, in Boston, New York, Baltimore, Washington and the Bay Area, and I&#039;ve only seen it miss a jam once: when I was about ten cars behind an accident in the Baltimore Harbor Tunnel a couple weeks ago. The jam didn&#039;t show up for about 20 minutes on all the map apps I checked: Google&#039;s, Apple&#039;s and Nokia&#039;s Here.

Do you use it to route you to destinations before you depart? Try it. Look at the alternate routes. It&#039;s kind of amazing, I think. On Saturday it took us to San Rafael from SFO by way of the Bay Bridge and the Richmond Bridge through the East Bay. The map also gave choices through San Francisco (19th and Van Ness were the two), with estimated times for each, given current traffic, which we could clearly see, with its red stretches. Instinctively I would never have taken the East Bay route, but we breezed through and arrived exactly when Google Maps said we would.

Likewise with the subways in New York, which is our primary use of the app. It&#039;s sometimes wrong (e.g. when subways don&#039;t arrive exactly when it says), but those times are surprisingly rare.

Anyway, I invite you to give it another chance or two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JonW, I don&#8217;t think Google&#8217;s traffic is fiction at all. From what I can tell it&#8217;s based on live, or nearly-live, input from mobile phone use. While there are many cases where the traffic can turn to red on the map after the fact, the latency doesn&#8217;t seem very high.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been using Google&#8217;s Maps app in traffic since it came onto the iPhone in early December, in Boston, New York, Baltimore, Washington and the Bay Area, and I&#8217;ve only seen it miss a jam once: when I was about ten cars behind an accident in the Baltimore Harbor Tunnel a couple weeks ago. The jam didn&#8217;t show up for about 20 minutes on all the map apps I checked: Google&#8217;s, Apple&#8217;s and Nokia&#8217;s Here.</p>
<p>Do you use it to route you to destinations before you depart? Try it. Look at the alternate routes. It&#8217;s kind of amazing, I think. On Saturday it took us to San Rafael from SFO by way of the Bay Bridge and the Richmond Bridge through the East Bay. The map also gave choices through San Francisco (19th and Van Ness were the two), with estimated times for each, given current traffic, which we could clearly see, with its red stretches. Instinctively I would never have taken the East Bay route, but we breezed through and arrived exactly when Google Maps said we would.</p>
<p>Likewise with the subways in New York, which is our primary use of the app. It&#8217;s sometimes wrong (e.g. when subways don&#8217;t arrive exactly when it says), but those times are surprisingly rare.</p>
<p>Anyway, I invite you to give it another chance or two.</p>
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		<title>By: JonW</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2013/03/15/apple-please-give-up-on-maps/comment-page-1/#comment-315048</link>
		<dc:creator>JonW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 10:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You forgot to mention that Google traffic is basically a work of fiction. I&#039;ve been stuck in jams many times when Google says the road is clear. I think it averages over a few days rather than giving real-time info. Very frustrating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forgot to mention that Google traffic is basically a work of fiction. I&#8217;ve been stuck in jams many times when Google says the road is clear. I think it averages over a few days rather than giving real-time info. Very frustrating.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2013/03/15/apple-please-give-up-on-maps/comment-page-1/#comment-314983</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Searls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 01:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PXLated, where does Apple&#039;s app work better for you? Is it on the road? If you don&#039;t mind my asking, where do you live (at least approximately) and use the app?

We compared the Apple Maps app vs. Google&#039;s when driving from New York to Washington, D.C. twice recently, and there was no comparison. Google&#039;s app saw traffic that Apple&#039;s didn&#039;t see, and re-routed based on the live traffic situation. I didn&#039;t put that finding in this post because I didn&#039;t want to harp too much. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PXLated, where does Apple&#8217;s app work better for you? Is it on the road? If you don&#8217;t mind my asking, where do you live (at least approximately) and use the app?</p>
<p>We compared the Apple Maps app vs. Google&#8217;s when driving from New York to Washington, D.C. twice recently, and there was no comparison. Google&#8217;s app saw traffic that Apple&#8217;s didn&#8217;t see, and re-routed based on the live traffic situation. I didn&#8217;t put that finding in this post because I didn&#8217;t want to harp too much. <img src='http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2013/03/15/apple-please-give-up-on-maps/comment-page-1/#comment-314982</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Searls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 00:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, James.

Maybe you&#039;re right.

Do you think Google came up with the current Maps app because Apple competed with them on an app-vs-app basis, or because iOS has umpty-million users and is a market best addressed by actually having a good maps app there? Or both? (I dunno. Just guessing here.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, James.</p>
<p>Maybe you&#8217;re right.</p>
<p>Do you think Google came up with the current Maps app because Apple competed with them on an app-vs-app basis, or because iOS has umpty-million users and is a market best addressed by actually having a good maps app there? Or both? (I dunno. Just guessing here.)</p>
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		<title>By: James Robertson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2013/03/15/apple-please-give-up-on-maps/comment-page-1/#comment-314977</link>
		<dc:creator>James Robertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 19:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Apple followed your advice, Google would put the current version of the IOS app in Amber, and we&#039;d be back to the same problem Apple faced last year in a couple of years.  Apple has to continue, or watch Google sit still.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Apple followed your advice, Google would put the current version of the IOS app in Amber, and we&#8217;d be back to the same problem Apple faced last year in a couple of years.  Apple has to continue, or watch Google sit still.</p>
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		<title>By: PXLated</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2013/03/15/apple-please-give-up-on-maps/comment-page-1/#comment-314974</link>
		<dc:creator>PXLated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 18:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I understand your frustration in your area Doc, Apple maps work great for me, in fact better than Google Maps in most areas I go.

Please Apple, don&#039;t listen this harping, many of us are more than happy with your maps app.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I understand your frustration in your area Doc, Apple maps work great for me, in fact better than Google Maps in most areas I go.</p>
<p>Please Apple, don&#8217;t listen this harping, many of us are more than happy with your maps app.</p>
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