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	<title>Comments on: IL &amp; Md Lawyer Groups Win First &#8220;Judee&#8221; Awards</title>
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	<description>breathless punditry and one-breath poetry with David Giacalone</description>
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		<title>By: shlep: the Self-Help Law ExPress &#187; Blog Archive &#187; a guide or a guild: where does your bar group stand?</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2003/07/13/il-md-lawyer-groups-win-first-judee-awards/comment-page-1/#comment-11114</link>
		<dc:creator>shlep: the Self-Help Law ExPress &#187; Blog Archive &#187; a guide or a guild: where does your bar group stand?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2006 01:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In numerous posts, ethicalEsq took bar groups &#8212; e.g., in Illinois and Maryland, New York and Ohio, Massachusetts &#8212; to task for obstructionist attitudes toward self-help law (including reform of small claims courts). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In numerous posts, ethicalEsq took bar groups &#8212; e.g., in Illinois and Maryland, New York and Ohio, Massachusetts &#8212; to task for obstructionist attitudes toward self-help law (including reform of small claims courts). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Millard</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2003/07/13/il-md-lawyer-groups-win-first-judee-awards/comment-page-1/#comment-4274</link>
		<dc:creator>Hans Millard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

sehr gut Saite. Was machen Sie mein Freund?
keep it up !</description>
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<p>sehr gut Saite. Was machen Sie mein Freund?<br />
keep it up !</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Millard</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2003/07/13/il-md-lawyer-groups-win-first-judee-awards/comment-page-1/#comment-6194</link>
		<dc:creator>Hans Millard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

sehr gut Saite. Was machen Sie mein Freund?
keep it up !</description>
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<p>sehr gut Saite. Was machen Sie mein Freund?<br />
keep it up !</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Davis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2003/07/13/il-md-lawyer-groups-win-first-judee-awards/comment-page-1/#comment-4221</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2005 22:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Nice one, but what about der weg ? anywya, congrats from me.</description>
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<p>Nice one, but what about der weg ? anywya, congrats from me.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Davis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2003/07/13/il-md-lawyer-groups-win-first-judee-awards/comment-page-1/#comment-6141</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2005 22:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Nice one, but what about der weg ? anywya, congrats from me.</description>
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<p>Nice one, but what about der weg ? anywya, congrats from me.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Jackson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2003/07/13/il-md-lawyer-groups-win-first-judee-awards/comment-page-1/#comment-4175</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

A heap of wheat, says the Song of Songs 
but I&#039;ve never seen wheat in a pile :)
did you like it?</description>
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<p>A heap of wheat, says the Song of Songs<br />
but I&#8217;ve never seen wheat in a pile :)<br />
did you like it?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Jackson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2003/07/13/il-md-lawyer-groups-win-first-judee-awards/comment-page-1/#comment-6095</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

A heap of wheat, says the Song of Songs 
but I&#039;ve never seen wheat in a pile :)
did you like it?</description>
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<p>A heap of wheat, says the Song of Songs<br />
but I&#8217;ve never seen wheat in a pile :)<br />
did you like it?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Fuentes</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2003/07/13/il-md-lawyer-groups-win-first-judee-awards/comment-page-1/#comment-4129</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Fuentes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2005 01:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

The text was good, but i stil cant find the play ipdates. looking for it dude.</description>
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<p>The text was good, but i stil cant find the play ipdates. looking for it dude.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Fuentes</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2003/07/13/il-md-lawyer-groups-win-first-judee-awards/comment-page-1/#comment-6049</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Fuentes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2005 01:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

The text was good, but i stil cant find the play ipdates. looking for it dude.</description>
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<p>The text was good, but i stil cant find the play ipdates. looking for it dude.</p>
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		<title>By: Routh</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2003/07/13/il-md-lawyer-groups-win-first-judee-awards/comment-page-1/#comment-4008</link>
		<dc:creator>Routh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 13:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

weight loss pill  http://www.nofatonline.com</description>
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<p>weight loss pill  <a href="http://www.nofatonline.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.nofatonline.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Routh</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2003/07/13/il-md-lawyer-groups-win-first-judee-awards/comment-page-1/#comment-5928</link>
		<dc:creator>Routh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 13:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

weight loss pill  http://www.nofatonline.com</description>
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<p>weight loss pill  <a href="http://www.nofatonline.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.nofatonline.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Levine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2003/07/13/il-md-lawyer-groups-win-first-judee-awards/comment-page-1/#comment-5015</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart Levine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2003 03:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Dave--Would you be offended if I offered some counter-comments on my blog?</description>
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<p>Dave&#8211;Would you be offended if I offered some counter-comments on my blog?</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Levine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2003/07/13/il-md-lawyer-groups-win-first-judee-awards/comment-page-1/#comment-6935</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart Levine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2003 03:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Dave--Would you be offended if I offered some counter-comments on my blog?</description>
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<p>Dave&#8211;Would you be offended if I offered some counter-comments on my blog?</p>
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		<title>By: David Giacalone</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2003/07/13/il-md-lawyer-groups-win-first-judee-awards/comment-page-1/#comment-5014</link>
		<dc:creator>David Giacalone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Interesting perspective, Stuart, and I shall mull it over.  The notion of MTLA advocating the veto to protect defendants seems a bit counter-intuitive.  I sent the text of your Comments to HALT, which was a major proponent of the legislation, for their input.  If I get a useful response from them, I&#039;ll post it.</description>
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<p>Interesting perspective, Stuart, and I shall mull it over.  The notion of MTLA advocating the veto to protect defendants seems a bit counter-intuitive.  I sent the text of your Comments to HALT, which was a major proponent of the legislation, for their input.  If I get a useful response from them, I&#8217;ll post it.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Levine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2003/07/13/il-md-lawyer-groups-win-first-judee-awards/comment-page-1/#comment-5013</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart Levine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Dave--You&#039;re way off base with respect to the &quot;award&quot; to the Maryland Trial Lawyers Association (of which I am not a member).

Maryland has two trial courts, the District Courts (our &quot;small claims court&quot;) and the Circuit Courts.  Currently, the District Courts have exclusive jurisdiction of civil cases up to $2500 and concurrent jurisdiction of civil cases up to $25,000.00.  

Exclusive jurisdiction means that neither party may request a jury trial.  The bill in question was introduced and passed in the 2001 session and was vetoed by then Governor Glendenning.  A similar bill was introduced and passed in the 2003 session and was signed by Governor Erhlich.  It is effective 10/1/03.

The increase in the District Court&#039;s exclusive jurisdiction may be good or it may be bad, but it&#039;s clearly not good for small defendants, usually individuals seeking to fend off claims (presumably disputed claims) of corporate creditors.  The bill strips the right to have the claim tried before a jury.  Thus the bill was sought by large commercial interests who saw it as a way to expedite their ability to collect debts and claims against consumers. The intent of the bill in no way was to lower the attorneys&#039; fees consumers are exposed to.</description>
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<p>Dave&#8211;You&#8217;re way off base with respect to the &#8220;award&#8221; to the Maryland Trial Lawyers Association (of which I am not a member).</p>
<p>Maryland has two trial courts, the District Courts (our &#8220;small claims court&#8221;) and the Circuit Courts.  Currently, the District Courts have exclusive jurisdiction of civil cases up to $2500 and concurrent jurisdiction of civil cases up to $25,000.00.  </p>
<p>Exclusive jurisdiction means that neither party may request a jury trial.  The bill in question was introduced and passed in the 2001 session and was vetoed by then Governor Glendenning.  A similar bill was introduced and passed in the 2003 session and was signed by Governor Erhlich.  It is effective 10/1/03.</p>
<p>The increase in the District Court&#8217;s exclusive jurisdiction may be good or it may be bad, but it&#8217;s clearly not good for small defendants, usually individuals seeking to fend off claims (presumably disputed claims) of corporate creditors.  The bill strips the right to have the claim tried before a jury.  Thus the bill was sought by large commercial interests who saw it as a way to expedite their ability to collect debts and claims against consumers. The intent of the bill in no way was to lower the attorneys&#8217; fees consumers are exposed to.</p>
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		<title>By: David Giacalone</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2003/07/13/il-md-lawyer-groups-win-first-judee-awards/comment-page-1/#comment-5012</link>
		<dc:creator>David Giacalone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

P.S. There is absolutely nothing stopping a lawyer, law firm or bar association from using advertising with a message that truly informs consumers and helps them to make a decision between various levels of legal services.  For example, a matrimonial firm can surely say -- without fear of bar discipline -- &quot;If you and your spouse are not in agreement on important issues, such as child custody and support, or how to share assets and liabilities, you need a lawyer [or a mediator], not a computer.&quot;</description>
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<p>P.S. There is absolutely nothing stopping a lawyer, law firm or bar association from using advertising with a message that truly informs consumers and helps them to make a decision between various levels of legal services.  For example, a matrimonial firm can surely say &#8212; without fear of bar discipline &#8212; &#8220;If you and your spouse are not in agreement on important issues, such as child custody and support, or how to share assets and liabilities, you need a lawyer [or a mediator], not a computer.&#8221;</p>
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