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		<title>By: Sofia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sofia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Thank you for the info. http://www.bignews.com</description>
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<p>Thank you for the info. <a href="http://www.bignews.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.bignews.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sofia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sofia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Thank you for the info. http://www.bignews.com</description>
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<p>Thank you for the info. <a href="http://www.bignews.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.bignews.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: David Giacalone</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Giacalone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

in order to be more ethical or less ethical?
are you a koan law expert?&#160; 
Nova Scotia must be lovely this time of year.&#160; enjoy&#160; </description>
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<p>in order to be more ethical or less ethical?<br />
are you a koan law expert?&nbsp;<br />
Nova Scotia must be lovely this time of year.&nbsp; enjoy&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>By: David Giacalone</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Giacalone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

in order to be more ethical or less ethical?
are you a koan law expert?&#160; 
Nova Scotia must be lovely this time of year.&#160; enjoy&#160; </description>
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<p>in order to be more ethical or less ethical?<br />
are you a koan law expert?&nbsp;<br />
Nova Scotia must be lovely this time of year.&nbsp; enjoy&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>By: helin</title>
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		<dc:creator>helin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

yes, i need to learn ethics</description>
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<p>yes, i need to learn ethics</p>
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		<title>By: helin</title>
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		<dc:creator>helin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

yes, i need to learn ethics</description>
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<p>yes, i need to learn ethics</p>
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		<title>By: David Giacalone</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Giacalone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2003 02:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Thanks for a provocative and thoughtful Comment.&#160; It&#039;s disappointing that so few lawyers take the responsibility to report serious ethical violations that they know about.&#160;&#160; As I have stated elsewhere on this site, it is even more disappointing that bar counsel often ignore complaints by lawyers, because most of the ones they do receive are poorly disguised attempts to injure a competitor (&lt;EM&gt;e.g.,&lt;/EM&gt; complaints about purportedly deceptive ads).&#160;&#160; The legal profession, like most other privileged groups in our society,&#160;does too good of a job &quot;rewarding&quot; those who go along to get along and penalizing those who rock the boat.&#160; I believe that the most effective &quot;rewards system&quot;&#160;for achieving ethical conduct is&#160;the inner reward and self-respect that each person can feel when he or she&#160;does the right,&#160;ethical thing.&#160;&#160; I have no idea how to produce such a system in&#160;individuals who lack it.&#160; Certainly, attorney self-regulation has has not been the solution.
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<p>Thanks for a provocative and thoughtful Comment.&nbsp; It&#8217;s disappointing that so few lawyers take the responsibility to report serious ethical violations that they know about.&nbsp;&nbsp; As I have stated elsewhere on this site, it is even more disappointing that bar counsel often ignore complaints by lawyers, because most of the ones they do receive are poorly disguised attempts to injure a competitor (<em>e.g.,</em> complaints about purportedly deceptive ads).&nbsp;&nbsp; The legal profession, like most other privileged groups in our society,&nbsp;does too good of a job &#8220;rewarding&#8221; those who go along to get along and penalizing those who rock the boat.&nbsp; I believe that the most effective &#8220;rewards system&#8221;&nbsp;for achieving ethical conduct is&nbsp;the inner reward and self-respect that each person can feel when he or she&nbsp;does the right,&nbsp;ethical thing.&nbsp;&nbsp; I have no idea how to produce such a system in&nbsp;individuals who lack it.&nbsp; Certainly, attorney self-regulation has has not been the solution.<br />
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		<title>By: David Giacalone</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Giacalone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2003 02:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Thanks for a provocative and thoughtful Comment.&#160; It&#039;s disappointing that so few lawyers take the responsibility to report serious ethical violations that they know about.&#160;&#160; As I have stated elsewhere on this site, it is even more disappointing that bar counsel often ignore complaints by lawyers, because most of the ones they do receive are poorly disguised attempts to injure a competitor (&lt;EM&gt;e.g.,&lt;/EM&gt; complaints about purportedly deceptive ads).&#160;&#160; The legal profession, like most other privileged groups in our society,&#160;does too good of a job &quot;rewarding&quot; those who go along to get along and penalizing those who rock the boat.&#160; I believe that the most effective &quot;rewards system&quot;&#160;for achieving ethical conduct is&#160;the inner reward and self-respect that each person can feel when he or she&#160;does the right,&#160;ethical thing.&#160;&#160; I have no idea how to produce such a system in&#160;individuals who lack it.&#160; Certainly, attorney self-regulation has has not been the solution.
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<p>Thanks for a provocative and thoughtful Comment.&nbsp; It&#8217;s disappointing that so few lawyers take the responsibility to report serious ethical violations that they know about.&nbsp;&nbsp; As I have stated elsewhere on this site, it is even more disappointing that bar counsel often ignore complaints by lawyers, because most of the ones they do receive are poorly disguised attempts to injure a competitor (<em>e.g.,</em> complaints about purportedly deceptive ads).&nbsp;&nbsp; The legal profession, like most other privileged groups in our society,&nbsp;does too good of a job &#8220;rewarding&#8221; those who go along to get along and penalizing those who rock the boat.&nbsp; I believe that the most effective &#8220;rewards system&#8221;&nbsp;for achieving ethical conduct is&nbsp;the inner reward and self-respect that each person can feel when he or she&nbsp;does the right,&nbsp;ethical thing.&nbsp;&nbsp; I have no idea how to produce such a system in&nbsp;individuals who lack it.&nbsp; Certainly, attorney self-regulation has has not been the solution.<br />
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		<title>By: John J. Olson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John J. Olson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Do ethics classes make you more ethical?  No, reward systems make you more ethical or less so whether you are a lawyer, a military officer, or a Catholic priest, or any other occupation.  

It is strictly against medical ethics for a doctor to have sex with a patient.  Nowhere is this more true than in psychiatry.  A survey in 1986 of 1,057 male and 366 female psychiatrists revealed that 7% of the men and 3% of the women had had sex with their patients.  Yet, the greater scandal is the result of the second survey, which reported that two-thirds of the psychiatrists discovered evidence of colleagues having had sex with patients but only 8% of them reported it.  The penalty for being a stool pigeon is high while the benefit is nil so few of them do it.  

According to Alan Dershowitz, the disbarment of Roy Cohn was a case of selective prosecution.  That is a claim that many other lawyers are as culpable as Cohn yet were not penalized for similar offenses such as perjury and forgery.  Yet, if this is true, why hasn&#039;t Dershowitz reported them?  The reputation of the legal profession rests on the shoulders of all of the lawyers who are obliged not only to obey but to enforce legal ethics as officers of the court but like Dershowitz most of them just shrug.</description>
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<p>Do ethics classes make you more ethical?  No, reward systems make you more ethical or less so whether you are a lawyer, a military officer, or a Catholic priest, or any other occupation.  </p>
<p>It is strictly against medical ethics for a doctor to have sex with a patient.  Nowhere is this more true than in psychiatry.  A survey in 1986 of 1,057 male and 366 female psychiatrists revealed that 7% of the men and 3% of the women had had sex with their patients.  Yet, the greater scandal is the result of the second survey, which reported that two-thirds of the psychiatrists discovered evidence of colleagues having had sex with patients but only 8% of them reported it.  The penalty for being a stool pigeon is high while the benefit is nil so few of them do it.  </p>
<p>According to Alan Dershowitz, the disbarment of Roy Cohn was a case of selective prosecution.  That is a claim that many other lawyers are as culpable as Cohn yet were not penalized for similar offenses such as perjury and forgery.  Yet, if this is true, why hasn&#8217;t Dershowitz reported them?  The reputation of the legal profession rests on the shoulders of all of the lawyers who are obliged not only to obey but to enforce legal ethics as officers of the court but like Dershowitz most of them just shrug.</p>
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		<title>By: John J. Olson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John J. Olson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Do ethics classes make you more ethical?  No, reward systems make you more ethical or less so whether you are a lawyer, a military officer, or a Catholic priest, or any other occupation.  

It is strictly against medical ethics for a doctor to have sex with a patient.  Nowhere is this more true than in psychiatry.  A survey in 1986 of 1,057 male and 366 female psychiatrists revealed that 7% of the men and 3% of the women had had sex with their patients.  Yet, the greater scandal is the result of the second survey, which reported that two-thirds of the psychiatrists discovered evidence of colleagues having had sex with patients but only 8% of them reported it.  The penalty for being a stool pigeon is high while the benefit is nil so few of them do it.  

According to Alan Dershowitz, the disbarment of Roy Cohn was a case of selective prosecution.  That is a claim that many other lawyers are as culpable as Cohn yet were not penalized for similar offenses such as perjury and forgery.  Yet, if this is true, why hasn&#039;t Dershowitz reported them?  The reputation of the legal profession rests on the shoulders of all of the lawyers who are obliged not only to obey but to enforce legal ethics as officers of the court but like Dershowitz most of them just shrug.</description>
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<p>Do ethics classes make you more ethical?  No, reward systems make you more ethical or less so whether you are a lawyer, a military officer, or a Catholic priest, or any other occupation.  </p>
<p>It is strictly against medical ethics for a doctor to have sex with a patient.  Nowhere is this more true than in psychiatry.  A survey in 1986 of 1,057 male and 366 female psychiatrists revealed that 7% of the men and 3% of the women had had sex with their patients.  Yet, the greater scandal is the result of the second survey, which reported that two-thirds of the psychiatrists discovered evidence of colleagues having had sex with patients but only 8% of them reported it.  The penalty for being a stool pigeon is high while the benefit is nil so few of them do it.  </p>
<p>According to Alan Dershowitz, the disbarment of Roy Cohn was a case of selective prosecution.  That is a claim that many other lawyers are as culpable as Cohn yet were not penalized for similar offenses such as perjury and forgery.  Yet, if this is true, why hasn&#8217;t Dershowitz reported them?  The reputation of the legal profession rests on the shoulders of all of the lawyers who are obliged not only to obey but to enforce legal ethics as officers of the court but like Dershowitz most of them just shrug.</p>
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