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		<title>By: David Giacalone</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2004/12/15/should-we-disbar-nanny-scofflaws/comment-page-1/#comment-5657</link>
		<dc:creator>David Giacalone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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p.s. to Barb,
I set up a &lt;A href=&quot;www.googlealert.com/&quot;&gt;Google alert&lt;/A&gt; for &quot;Lani Guinier&quot; when I first wrote on this topic, so that I would be able to check ou,t as soon as possible, any news on the topic -- corrections, explanations, new facts.&#160; It&#039;s a good service.
Since it was I who first wondered online what Prof. Guinier was referring to in her book&#160; &lt;A href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684811456/ref=sib_rdr_dp/104-1569557-1267912&quot;&gt;&lt;EM&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Lift Every Voice :&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;EM&gt;&#160; &lt;/EM&gt;(1998), in the excerpt below at &lt;A href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0684811456/ref=sib_vae_pg_36/104-1569557-1267912?%5Fencoding=UTF8&amp;keywords=%22Social%20Security%22&amp;p=S015&amp;twc=3&amp;checkSum=Xrz2u7G7vn31OSLe4BRUe46AWLADw7oolu%2BNlunnhDY%3D#reader-page&quot;&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;page 36&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&#160;(written &lt;EM&gt;after&lt;/EM&gt; the 1995 AP story that first stated she had an unpaid tax problem),&#160;I would be very pleased to post any&#160;clarification that Prof. Guinier could give us:
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&quot;&#160;the weight of my description of how prior administrations had tolerated actual examples 
of intentional discrimination was more than the reporters wanted to hear that day.&#160;&#160; Afterwards, 
my fellow nominees thanked me for what they took as a filibuster. &lt;STRONG&gt;From their perspective, I had&#160;&lt;/STRONG&gt;
&lt;STRONG&gt;successfully distracted the press, whose interest in nonpayment of Social Security taxes could &lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;not regain momentum&quot;&#160; &lt;/STRONG&gt;(emphasis added), &lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;</description>
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<p>p.s. to Barb,<br />
I set up a <a href="www.googlealert.com/">Google alert</a> for &#8220;Lani Guinier&#8221; when I first wrote on this topic, so that I would be able to check ou,t as soon as possible, any news on the topic &#8212; corrections, explanations, new facts.&nbsp; It&#8217;s a good service.<br />
Since it was I who first wondered online what Prof. Guinier was referring to in her book&nbsp; <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684811456/ref=sib_rdr_dp/104-1569557-1267912"><em><strong>Lift Every Voice :</strong></em></a><em>&nbsp; </em>(1998), in the excerpt below at <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0684811456/ref=sib_vae_pg_36/104-1569557-1267912?%5Fencoding=UTF8&amp;keywords=%22Social%20Security%22&amp;p=S015&amp;twc=3&amp;checkSum=Xrz2u7G7vn31OSLe4BRUe46AWLADw7oolu%2BNlunnhDY%3D#reader-page"><strong>page 36</strong></a>&nbsp;(written <em>after</em> the 1995 AP story that first stated she had an unpaid tax problem),&nbsp;I would be very pleased to post any&nbsp;clarification that Prof. Guinier could give us:</p>
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<p>&#8220;&nbsp;the weight of my description of how prior administrations had tolerated actual examples<br />
of intentional discrimination was more than the reporters wanted to hear that day.&nbsp;&nbsp; Afterwards,<br />
my fellow nominees thanked me for what they took as a filibuster. <strong>From their perspective, I had&nbsp;</strong><br />
<strong>successfully distracted the press, whose interest in nonpayment of Social Security taxes could </strong><strong>not regain momentum&#8221;&nbsp; </strong>(emphasis added), </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: David Giacalone</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2004/12/15/should-we-disbar-nanny-scofflaws/comment-page-1/#comment-7577</link>
		<dc:creator>David Giacalone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

p.s. to Barb,
I set up a &lt;A href=&quot;www.googlealert.com/&quot;&gt;Google alert&lt;/A&gt; for &quot;Lani Guinier&quot; when I first wrote on this topic, so that I would be able to check ou,t as soon as possible, any news on the topic -- corrections, explanations, new facts.&#160; It&#039;s a good service.
Since it was I who first wondered online what Prof. Guinier was referring to in her book&#160; &lt;A href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684811456/ref=sib_rdr_dp/104-1569557-1267912&quot;&gt;&lt;EM&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Lift Every Voice :&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;EM&gt;&#160; &lt;/EM&gt;(1998), in the excerpt below at &lt;A href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0684811456/ref=sib_vae_pg_36/104-1569557-1267912?%5Fencoding=UTF8&amp;keywords=%22Social%20Security%22&amp;p=S015&amp;twc=3&amp;checkSum=Xrz2u7G7vn31OSLe4BRUe46AWLADw7oolu%2BNlunnhDY%3D#reader-page&quot;&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;page 36&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&#160;(written &lt;EM&gt;after&lt;/EM&gt; the 1995 AP story that first stated she had an unpaid tax problem),&#160;I would be very pleased to post any&#160;clarification that Prof. Guinier could give us:
&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

&quot;&#160;the weight of my description of how prior administrations had tolerated actual examples 
of intentional discrimination was more than the reporters wanted to hear that day.&#160;&#160; Afterwards, 
my fellow nominees thanked me for what they took as a filibuster. &lt;STRONG&gt;From their perspective, I had&#160;&lt;/STRONG&gt;
&lt;STRONG&gt;successfully distracted the press, whose interest in nonpayment of Social Security taxes could &lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;not regain momentum&quot;&#160; &lt;/STRONG&gt;(emphasis added), &lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;</description>
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<p>p.s. to Barb,<br />
I set up a <a href="www.googlealert.com/">Google alert</a> for &#8220;Lani Guinier&#8221; when I first wrote on this topic, so that I would be able to check ou,t as soon as possible, any news on the topic &#8212; corrections, explanations, new facts.&nbsp; It&#8217;s a good service.<br />
Since it was I who first wondered online what Prof. Guinier was referring to in her book&nbsp; <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684811456/ref=sib_rdr_dp/104-1569557-1267912"><em><strong>Lift Every Voice :</strong></em></a><em>&nbsp; </em>(1998), in the excerpt below at <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0684811456/ref=sib_vae_pg_36/104-1569557-1267912?%5Fencoding=UTF8&amp;keywords=%22Social%20Security%22&amp;p=S015&amp;twc=3&amp;checkSum=Xrz2u7G7vn31OSLe4BRUe46AWLADw7oolu%2BNlunnhDY%3D#reader-page"><strong>page 36</strong></a>&nbsp;(written <em>after</em> the 1995 AP story that first stated she had an unpaid tax problem),&nbsp;I would be very pleased to post any&nbsp;clarification that Prof. Guinier could give us:</p>
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<p>&#8220;&nbsp;the weight of my description of how prior administrations had tolerated actual examples<br />
of intentional discrimination was more than the reporters wanted to hear that day.&nbsp;&nbsp; Afterwards,<br />
my fellow nominees thanked me for what they took as a filibuster. <strong>From their perspective, I had&nbsp;</strong><br />
<strong>successfully distracted the press, whose interest in nonpayment of Social Security taxes could </strong><strong>not regain momentum&#8221;&nbsp; </strong>(emphasis added), </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: David Giacalone</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2004/12/15/should-we-disbar-nanny-scofflaws/comment-page-1/#comment-5654</link>
		<dc:creator>David Giacalone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Barb, Thank you for the additional link and information.&#160;&#160; I just checked, and the &lt;EM&gt;Baltimore Sun&lt;/EM&gt; &lt;A href=&quot;http://www.baltimoresun.com/features/lifestyle/bal-to.nanny15dec15,1,3831287.story?coll=bal-artslife-today&quot;&gt;article&lt;/A&gt; (free reg. req&#039;d) has been edited to remove Lani Guinier&#039;s name from the list of nominees with domestic worker problems. 
Here&#039;s how&lt;EM&gt; I&lt;/EM&gt; would&#160;have responded,&#160;if Pres. Clinton had withdrawn my&#160;&lt;EM&gt;hypothetical&lt;/EM&gt; nomination to head the DOJ Antitrust Division in 1993, because I actually wanted the laws vigorously enforced, and people now alleged that I had&#160; &quot;not paid domestic worker taxes&quot;:
&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;
[&lt;EM&gt;hypothetical reply&lt;/EM&gt;] &quot;My nomination to head the Antitrust Division was scuttled because my views on antitrust enforcement were considered radical.&#160; At no time prior to my nomination, nor at the time of the nomination, nor thereafter,&#160;did I fail&#160;to pay on time&#160;the Social Security taxes for any domestic worker employed by me.&quot; &lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;
Such a clear&#160;response&#160;would&#160;avoid second-guessing by real or imagined cross-examination experts, that would surely have occurred had I instead worded the statement to assert there was &quot;no such issue&quot; or &quot;no such problem&quot; related to withdrawing the nomination,&#160;or limited the timeframe mentioned in the response.&#160; At a time when&#160;lawyers and political nominees (and Presidents) are bad-mouthed for using legalisms and playing wordgames, direct and clear&#160;responses help to remove skepticism.</description>
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<p>Barb, Thank you for the additional link and information.&nbsp;&nbsp; I just checked, and the <em>Baltimore Sun</em> <a href="http://www.baltimoresun.com/features/lifestyle/bal-to.nanny15dec15,1,3831287.story?coll=bal-artslife-today">article</a> (free reg. req&#8217;d) has been edited to remove Lani Guinier&#8217;s name from the list of nominees with domestic worker problems.<br />
Here&#8217;s how<em> I</em> would&nbsp;have responded,&nbsp;if Pres. Clinton had withdrawn my&nbsp;<em>hypothetical</em> nomination to head the DOJ Antitrust Division in 1993, because I actually wanted the laws vigorously enforced, and people now alleged that I had&nbsp; &#8220;not paid domestic worker taxes&#8221;:</p>
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[<em>hypothetical reply</em>] &#8220;My nomination to head the Antitrust Division was scuttled because my views on antitrust enforcement were considered radical.&nbsp; At no time prior to my nomination, nor at the time of the nomination, nor thereafter,&nbsp;did I fail&nbsp;to pay on time&nbsp;the Social Security taxes for any domestic worker employed by me.&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>Such a clear&nbsp;response&nbsp;would&nbsp;avoid second-guessing by real or imagined cross-examination experts, that would surely have occurred had I instead worded the statement to assert there was &#8220;no such issue&#8221; or &#8220;no such problem&#8221; related to withdrawing the nomination,&nbsp;or limited the timeframe mentioned in the response.&nbsp; At a time when&nbsp;lawyers and political nominees (and Presidents) are bad-mouthed for using legalisms and playing wordgames, direct and clear&nbsp;responses help to remove skepticism.</p>
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		<title>By: David Giacalone</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Giacalone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Barb, Thank you for the additional link and information.&#160;&#160; I just checked, and the &lt;EM&gt;Baltimore Sun&lt;/EM&gt; &lt;A href=&quot;http://www.baltimoresun.com/features/lifestyle/bal-to.nanny15dec15,1,3831287.story?coll=bal-artslife-today&quot;&gt;article&lt;/A&gt; (free reg. req&#039;d) has been edited to remove Lani Guinier&#039;s name from the list of nominees with domestic worker problems. 
Here&#039;s how&lt;EM&gt; I&lt;/EM&gt; would&#160;have responded,&#160;if Pres. Clinton had withdrawn my&#160;&lt;EM&gt;hypothetical&lt;/EM&gt; nomination to head the DOJ Antitrust Division in 1993, because I actually wanted the laws vigorously enforced, and people now alleged that I had&#160; &quot;not paid domestic worker taxes&quot;:
&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;
[&lt;EM&gt;hypothetical reply&lt;/EM&gt;] &quot;My nomination to head the Antitrust Division was scuttled because my views on antitrust enforcement were considered radical.&#160; At no time prior to my nomination, nor at the time of the nomination, nor thereafter,&#160;did I fail&#160;to pay on time&#160;the Social Security taxes for any domestic worker employed by me.&quot; &lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;
Such a clear&#160;response&#160;would&#160;avoid second-guessing by real or imagined cross-examination experts, that would surely have occurred had I instead worded the statement to assert there was &quot;no such issue&quot; or &quot;no such problem&quot; related to withdrawing the nomination,&#160;or limited the timeframe mentioned in the response.&#160; At a time when&#160;lawyers and political nominees (and Presidents) are bad-mouthed for using legalisms and playing wordgames, direct and clear&#160;responses help to remove skepticism.</description>
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<p>Barb, Thank you for the additional link and information.&nbsp;&nbsp; I just checked, and the <em>Baltimore Sun</em> <a href="http://www.baltimoresun.com/features/lifestyle/bal-to.nanny15dec15,1,3831287.story?coll=bal-artslife-today">article</a> (free reg. req&#8217;d) has been edited to remove Lani Guinier&#8217;s name from the list of nominees with domestic worker problems.<br />
Here&#8217;s how<em> I</em> would&nbsp;have responded,&nbsp;if Pres. Clinton had withdrawn my&nbsp;<em>hypothetical</em> nomination to head the DOJ Antitrust Division in 1993, because I actually wanted the laws vigorously enforced, and people now alleged that I had&nbsp; &#8220;not paid domestic worker taxes&#8221;:</p>
<blockquote><p>
[<em>hypothetical reply</em>] &#8220;My nomination to head the Antitrust Division was scuttled because my views on antitrust enforcement were considered radical.&nbsp; At no time prior to my nomination, nor at the time of the nomination, nor thereafter,&nbsp;did I fail&nbsp;to pay on time&nbsp;the Social Security taxes for any domestic worker employed by me.&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>Such a clear&nbsp;response&nbsp;would&nbsp;avoid second-guessing by real or imagined cross-examination experts, that would surely have occurred had I instead worded the statement to assert there was &#8220;no such issue&#8221; or &#8220;no such problem&#8221; related to withdrawing the nomination,&nbsp;or limited the timeframe mentioned in the response.&nbsp; At a time when&nbsp;lawyers and political nominees (and Presidents) are bad-mouthed for using legalisms and playing wordgames, direct and clear&nbsp;responses help to remove skepticism.</p>
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		<title>By: barb</title>
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		<dc:creator>barb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

From the Baltimore Sun.  If you wat tos ee more corrections in major newspapers, try this link: 
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&amp;ned=us&amp;q=guinier&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;scoring=d

To whom it may Concern:

In 1993 my nomination to head the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice was nixed, abetted by a media spin cycle that distorted my views of democracy. Now I find your staff reporters erroneously catapulting me into the pantheon of nominees who lost out because they did not pay taxes for a domestic worker.[December 15, 2004 Wednesday,   Pg. 1E, &quot;Parents often turn a blind eye, hiring nannies illegally in U.S.;  Nominees aren&#039;t the only ones ignoring immigration status,&quot; Ellen Gamerman, SUN STAFF, WASHINGTON.]  

To set the record straight,  there was never an issue during my nomination imbroglio about nonpayment of taxes for a domestic worker. President Clinton withdrew my nomination because of a controversy about my academic writings about democracy. The controversy was fueled by a media firestorm that reported my views inaccurately and out of context. To my dismay, I have somehow been swept up in another media controversy challenging my integrity in defiance of the facts. Other media outlets have since issued corrections. I trust The Baltimore Sun will do the same. 

Those who are interested in the facts, including the ideas about democracy that were the sole source of my &quot;dis-appointment&quot; in 1993,  might want to read two books I authored explaining those events: The Tyranny of the Majority (Free Press: 1994) and Lift Every Voice: Turning a Civil Rights Setback into a New Vision of Social Justice (Simon and Schuster: 1998). 


Lani Guinier
Professor of Law
Harvard
Cambridge, MA 02138</description>
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<p>From the Baltimore Sun.  If you wat tos ee more corrections in major newspapers, try this link:<br />
<a href="http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&amp;ned=us&amp;q=guinier&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;scoring=d" rel="nofollow">http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&amp;ned=us&amp;q=guinier&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;scoring=d</a></p>
<p>To whom it may Concern:</p>
<p>In 1993 my nomination to head the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice was nixed, abetted by a media spin cycle that distorted my views of democracy. Now I find your staff reporters erroneously catapulting me into the pantheon of nominees who lost out because they did not pay taxes for a domestic worker.[December 15, 2004 Wednesday,   Pg. 1E, "Parents often turn a blind eye, hiring nannies illegally in U.S.;  Nominees aren't the only ones ignoring immigration status," Ellen Gamerman, SUN STAFF, WASHINGTON.]  </p>
<p>To set the record straight,  there was never an issue during my nomination imbroglio about nonpayment of taxes for a domestic worker. President Clinton withdrew my nomination because of a controversy about my academic writings about democracy. The controversy was fueled by a media firestorm that reported my views inaccurately and out of context. To my dismay, I have somehow been swept up in another media controversy challenging my integrity in defiance of the facts. Other media outlets have since issued corrections. I trust The Baltimore Sun will do the same. </p>
<p>Those who are interested in the facts, including the ideas about democracy that were the sole source of my &#8220;dis-appointment&#8221; in 1993,  might want to read two books I authored explaining those events: The Tyranny of the Majority (Free Press: 1994) and Lift Every Voice: Turning a Civil Rights Setback into a New Vision of Social Justice (Simon and Schuster: 1998). </p>
<p>Lani Guinier<br />
Professor of Law<br />
Harvard<br />
Cambridge, MA 02138</p>
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		<title>By: barb</title>
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		<dc:creator>barb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

From the Baltimore Sun.  If you wat tos ee more corrections in major newspapers, try this link: 
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&amp;ned=us&amp;q=guinier&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;scoring=d

To whom it may Concern:

In 1993 my nomination to head the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice was nixed, abetted by a media spin cycle that distorted my views of democracy. Now I find your staff reporters erroneously catapulting me into the pantheon of nominees who lost out because they did not pay taxes for a domestic worker.[December 15, 2004 Wednesday,   Pg. 1E, &quot;Parents often turn a blind eye, hiring nannies illegally in U.S.;  Nominees aren&#039;t the only ones ignoring immigration status,&quot; Ellen Gamerman, SUN STAFF, WASHINGTON.]  

To set the record straight,  there was never an issue during my nomination imbroglio about nonpayment of taxes for a domestic worker. President Clinton withdrew my nomination because of a controversy about my academic writings about democracy. The controversy was fueled by a media firestorm that reported my views inaccurately and out of context. To my dismay, I have somehow been swept up in another media controversy challenging my integrity in defiance of the facts. Other media outlets have since issued corrections. I trust The Baltimore Sun will do the same. 

Those who are interested in the facts, including the ideas about democracy that were the sole source of my &quot;dis-appointment&quot; in 1993,  might want to read two books I authored explaining those events: The Tyranny of the Majority (Free Press: 1994) and Lift Every Voice: Turning a Civil Rights Setback into a New Vision of Social Justice (Simon and Schuster: 1998). 


Lani Guinier
Professor of Law
Harvard
Cambridge, MA 02138</description>
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<p>From the Baltimore Sun.  If you wat tos ee more corrections in major newspapers, try this link:<br />
<a href="http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&amp;ned=us&amp;q=guinier&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;scoring=d" rel="nofollow">http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&amp;ned=us&amp;q=guinier&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;scoring=d</a></p>
<p>To whom it may Concern:</p>
<p>In 1993 my nomination to head the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice was nixed, abetted by a media spin cycle that distorted my views of democracy. Now I find your staff reporters erroneously catapulting me into the pantheon of nominees who lost out because they did not pay taxes for a domestic worker.[December 15, 2004 Wednesday,   Pg. 1E, "Parents often turn a blind eye, hiring nannies illegally in U.S.;  Nominees aren't the only ones ignoring immigration status," Ellen Gamerman, SUN STAFF, WASHINGTON.]  </p>
<p>To set the record straight,  there was never an issue during my nomination imbroglio about nonpayment of taxes for a domestic worker. President Clinton withdrew my nomination because of a controversy about my academic writings about democracy. The controversy was fueled by a media firestorm that reported my views inaccurately and out of context. To my dismay, I have somehow been swept up in another media controversy challenging my integrity in defiance of the facts. Other media outlets have since issued corrections. I trust The Baltimore Sun will do the same. </p>
<p>Those who are interested in the facts, including the ideas about democracy that were the sole source of my &#8220;dis-appointment&#8221; in 1993,  might want to read two books I authored explaining those events: The Tyranny of the Majority (Free Press: 1994) and Lift Every Voice: Turning a Civil Rights Setback into a New Vision of Social Justice (Simon and Schuster: 1998). </p>
<p>Lani Guinier<br />
Professor of Law<br />
Harvard<br />
Cambridge, MA 02138</p>
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		<dc:creator>barb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2004 03:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Lani Guinier did NOT have a &quot;nanny problem&quot; and if you do one shred of research (beyond Google!) you will see the truth.  The WaPo doesn&#039;t issue corrections lightly or just on the person&#039;s say so, they did the research post hoc, shame on them for that, but at least eventually found the truth and so should you if you have any integrity.</description>
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<p>Lani Guinier did NOT have a &#8220;nanny problem&#8221; and if you do one shred of research (beyond Google!) you will see the truth.  The WaPo doesn&#8217;t issue corrections lightly or just on the person&#8217;s say so, they did the research post hoc, shame on them for that, but at least eventually found the truth and so should you if you have any integrity.</p>
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		<title>By: barb</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2004/12/15/should-we-disbar-nanny-scofflaws/comment-page-1/#comment-7571</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2004 03:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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Lani Guinier did NOT have a &quot;nanny problem&quot; and if you do one shred of research (beyond Google!) you will see the truth.  The WaPo doesn&#039;t issue corrections lightly or just on the person&#039;s say so, they did the research post hoc, shame on them for that, but at least eventually found the truth and so should you if you have any integrity.</description>
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<p>Lani Guinier did NOT have a &#8220;nanny problem&#8221; and if you do one shred of research (beyond Google!) you will see the truth.  The WaPo doesn&#8217;t issue corrections lightly or just on the person&#8217;s say so, they did the research post hoc, shame on them for that, but at least eventually found the truth and so should you if you have any integrity.</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn Elefant</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2004/12/15/should-we-disbar-nanny-scofflaws/comment-page-1/#comment-5649</link>
		<dc:creator>Carolyn Elefant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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I do agree that lawyers should not violate the law.  But I don&#039;t think disbarment is appropriate for a violation that relates to something that does not involve either a client or the practice of law.  Perhaps some kind of sanction or fine (maybe pay some $$s to an immigration legal aid group would be a more appropriate remedy) And I do think it&#039;s appropriate to penalize attorneys like Zoe Baird or Kimba Wood for failure to abide by laws by making them ineligible for cabinet appointments.
Having said that, I should add, that as an aside, the nanny tax issue is a very difficult one.  For one year of my part time practice, I did have a part time nanny who watched my daughter 10-15 hours a week while I worked at home.  I made very clear that I intended to pay all applicable taxes, etc...but most of the people who I interviewed preferred to be paid under the table.  I realize that compliance with a statute can&#039;t be waived by consent of the person it&#039;s supposed to protect, but in that situation, I could certainly see an attorney thinking that it would be more helpful to the nanny to bypass the tax than not. Of course, on top of all of this, I have my own views of lawyers who hire nannies to enable them to work 60 hour weeks to the detriment of their children. To me, that&#039;s a greater crime than   failing to pay the nanny tax and one that&#039;s far more difficult to address.</description>
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<p>I do agree that lawyers should not violate the law.  But I don&#8217;t think disbarment is appropriate for a violation that relates to something that does not involve either a client or the practice of law.  Perhaps some kind of sanction or fine (maybe pay some $$s to an immigration legal aid group would be a more appropriate remedy) And I do think it&#8217;s appropriate to penalize attorneys like Zoe Baird or Kimba Wood for failure to abide by laws by making them ineligible for cabinet appointments.<br />
Having said that, I should add, that as an aside, the nanny tax issue is a very difficult one.  For one year of my part time practice, I did have a part time nanny who watched my daughter 10-15 hours a week while I worked at home.  I made very clear that I intended to pay all applicable taxes, etc&#8230;but most of the people who I interviewed preferred to be paid under the table.  I realize that compliance with a statute can&#8217;t be waived by consent of the person it&#8217;s supposed to protect, but in that situation, I could certainly see an attorney thinking that it would be more helpful to the nanny to bypass the tax than not. Of course, on top of all of this, I have my own views of lawyers who hire nannies to enable them to work 60 hour weeks to the detriment of their children. To me, that&#8217;s a greater crime than   failing to pay the nanny tax and one that&#8217;s far more difficult to address.</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn Elefant</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2004/12/15/should-we-disbar-nanny-scofflaws/comment-page-1/#comment-7569</link>
		<dc:creator>Carolyn Elefant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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I do agree that lawyers should not violate the law.  But I don&#039;t think disbarment is appropriate for a violation that relates to something that does not involve either a client or the practice of law.  Perhaps some kind of sanction or fine (maybe pay some $$s to an immigration legal aid group would be a more appropriate remedy) And I do think it&#039;s appropriate to penalize attorneys like Zoe Baird or Kimba Wood for failure to abide by laws by making them ineligible for cabinet appointments.
Having said that, I should add, that as an aside, the nanny tax issue is a very difficult one.  For one year of my part time practice, I did have a part time nanny who watched my daughter 10-15 hours a week while I worked at home.  I made very clear that I intended to pay all applicable taxes, etc...but most of the people who I interviewed preferred to be paid under the table.  I realize that compliance with a statute can&#039;t be waived by consent of the person it&#039;s supposed to protect, but in that situation, I could certainly see an attorney thinking that it would be more helpful to the nanny to bypass the tax than not. Of course, on top of all of this, I have my own views of lawyers who hire nannies to enable them to work 60 hour weeks to the detriment of their children. To me, that&#039;s a greater crime than   failing to pay the nanny tax and one that&#039;s far more difficult to address.</description>
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<p>I do agree that lawyers should not violate the law.  But I don&#8217;t think disbarment is appropriate for a violation that relates to something that does not involve either a client or the practice of law.  Perhaps some kind of sanction or fine (maybe pay some $$s to an immigration legal aid group would be a more appropriate remedy) And I do think it&#8217;s appropriate to penalize attorneys like Zoe Baird or Kimba Wood for failure to abide by laws by making them ineligible for cabinet appointments.<br />
Having said that, I should add, that as an aside, the nanny tax issue is a very difficult one.  For one year of my part time practice, I did have a part time nanny who watched my daughter 10-15 hours a week while I worked at home.  I made very clear that I intended to pay all applicable taxes, etc&#8230;but most of the people who I interviewed preferred to be paid under the table.  I realize that compliance with a statute can&#8217;t be waived by consent of the person it&#8217;s supposed to protect, but in that situation, I could certainly see an attorney thinking that it would be more helpful to the nanny to bypass the tax than not. Of course, on top of all of this, I have my own views of lawyers who hire nannies to enable them to work 60 hour weeks to the detriment of their children. To me, that&#8217;s a greater crime than   failing to pay the nanny tax and one that&#8217;s far more difficult to address.</p>
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		<title>By: David Giacalone</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2004/12/15/should-we-disbar-nanny-scofflaws/comment-page-1/#comment-5648</link>
		<dc:creator>David Giacalone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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Thanks for such a quick reply, Evan.&#160;&#160; I expected (but hadn&#039;t formulated an answer for)&#160; your question.&#160; First, an aside: I really dislike the word &quot;mistake&quot; when used for an intentional, ongoing flouting of the law or ethical rules.&#160; I&#039;m not euphemisEsq.
One reason I said &quot;disbar&quot; was to get a reaction (that worked) -- to see how significant this offense appears to others.&#160; Another reason is knowing how wishy-washy most discipline is and not wanting to suggest that a private reprimand is sufficient, nor a brief suspension.
Some factors that might be sufficient to impose disbarment for intentional violating of the immigration and Social Security laws:&#160; (1) The worker is paid a less than market rates, or is forced to work excessive hours or under other inappropriate conditions.&#160; (2) The lawyer falsifies documents or gets another household member (or attorney, accountant or tax specialist to do so).&#160;(3) There has been a pattern of this conduct. (4) the lawyer has helped others commit this crime.
I admit that I&#039;m especially interested in seeing that lawyers obey laws -- we are role models and we take an oath to do so.&#160; The conduct in question is surely a crime that&#160;&quot;reflects adversely on the lawyer&#039;s honesty, trustworthiness or fitness as a lawyer in other respects.&quot;
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<p>Thanks for such a quick reply, Evan.&nbsp;&nbsp; I expected (but hadn&#8217;t formulated an answer for)&nbsp; your question.&nbsp; First, an aside: I really dislike the word &#8220;mistake&#8221; when used for an intentional, ongoing flouting of the law or ethical rules.&nbsp; I&#8217;m not euphemisEsq.<br />
One reason I said &#8220;disbar&#8221; was to get a reaction (that worked) &#8212; to see how significant this offense appears to others.&nbsp; Another reason is knowing how wishy-washy most discipline is and not wanting to suggest that a private reprimand is sufficient, nor a brief suspension.<br />
Some factors that might be sufficient to impose disbarment for intentional violating of the immigration and Social Security laws:&nbsp; (1) The worker is paid a less than market rates, or is forced to work excessive hours or under other inappropriate conditions.&nbsp; (2) The lawyer falsifies documents or gets another household member (or attorney, accountant or tax specialist to do so).&nbsp;(3) There has been a pattern of this conduct. (4) the lawyer has helped others commit this crime.<br />
I admit that I&#8217;m especially interested in seeing that lawyers obey laws &#8212; we are role models and we take an oath to do so.&nbsp; The conduct in question is surely a crime that&nbsp;&#8221;reflects adversely on the lawyer&#8217;s honesty, trustworthiness or fitness as a lawyer in other respects.&#8221;<br />
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		<title>By: David Giacalone</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2004/12/15/should-we-disbar-nanny-scofflaws/comment-page-1/#comment-7568</link>
		<dc:creator>David Giacalone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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Thanks for such a quick reply, Evan.&#160;&#160; I expected (but hadn&#039;t formulated an answer for)&#160; your question.&#160; First, an aside: I really dislike the word &quot;mistake&quot; when used for an intentional, ongoing flouting of the law or ethical rules.&#160; I&#039;m not euphemisEsq.
One reason I said &quot;disbar&quot; was to get a reaction (that worked) -- to see how significant this offense appears to others.&#160; Another reason is knowing how wishy-washy most discipline is and not wanting to suggest that a private reprimand is sufficient, nor a brief suspension.
Some factors that might be sufficient to impose disbarment for intentional violating of the immigration and Social Security laws:&#160; (1) The worker is paid a less than market rates, or is forced to work excessive hours or under other inappropriate conditions.&#160; (2) The lawyer falsifies documents or gets another household member (or attorney, accountant or tax specialist to do so).&#160;(3) There has been a pattern of this conduct. (4) the lawyer has helped others commit this crime.
I admit that I&#039;m especially interested in seeing that lawyers obey laws -- we are role models and we take an oath to do so.&#160; The conduct in question is surely a crime that&#160;&quot;reflects adversely on the lawyer&#039;s honesty, trustworthiness or fitness as a lawyer in other respects.&quot;
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<p>Thanks for such a quick reply, Evan.&nbsp;&nbsp; I expected (but hadn&#8217;t formulated an answer for)&nbsp; your question.&nbsp; First, an aside: I really dislike the word &#8220;mistake&#8221; when used for an intentional, ongoing flouting of the law or ethical rules.&nbsp; I&#8217;m not euphemisEsq.<br />
One reason I said &#8220;disbar&#8221; was to get a reaction (that worked) &#8212; to see how significant this offense appears to others.&nbsp; Another reason is knowing how wishy-washy most discipline is and not wanting to suggest that a private reprimand is sufficient, nor a brief suspension.<br />
Some factors that might be sufficient to impose disbarment for intentional violating of the immigration and Social Security laws:&nbsp; (1) The worker is paid a less than market rates, or is forced to work excessive hours or under other inappropriate conditions.&nbsp; (2) The lawyer falsifies documents or gets another household member (or attorney, accountant or tax specialist to do so).&nbsp;(3) There has been a pattern of this conduct. (4) the lawyer has helped others commit this crime.<br />
I admit that I&#8217;m especially interested in seeing that lawyers obey laws &#8212; we are role models and we take an oath to do so.&nbsp; The conduct in question is surely a crime that&nbsp;&#8221;reflects adversely on the lawyer&#8217;s honesty, trustworthiness or fitness as a lawyer in other respects.&#8221;<br />
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2004/12/15/should-we-disbar-nanny-scofflaws/comment-page-1/#comment-5647</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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Personally, I don&#039;t think lawyers or anyone else should be violating federal law.  (How&#039;s that for going out on a limb?)  Where I come out on your specific question, I&#039;m not sure.  But here&#039;s a question for you: Why do you suggest disbarment rather than suspension? You don&#039;t think nanny-scofflaws can learn from their mistakes and be reformed?</description>
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<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t think lawyers or anyone else should be violating federal law.  (How&#8217;s that for going out on a limb?)  Where I come out on your specific question, I&#8217;m not sure.  But here&#8217;s a question for you: Why do you suggest disbarment rather than suspension? You don&#8217;t think nanny-scofflaws can learn from their mistakes and be reformed?</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2004/12/15/should-we-disbar-nanny-scofflaws/comment-page-1/#comment-7567</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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Personally, I don&#039;t think lawyers or anyone else should be violating federal law.  (How&#039;s that for going out on a limb?)  Where I come out on your specific question, I&#039;m not sure.  But here&#039;s a question for you: Why do you suggest disbarment rather than suspension? You don&#039;t think nanny-scofflaws can learn from their mistakes and be reformed?</description>
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<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t think lawyers or anyone else should be violating federal law.  (How&#8217;s that for going out on a limb?)  Where I come out on your specific question, I&#8217;m not sure.  But here&#8217;s a question for you: Why do you suggest disbarment rather than suspension? You don&#8217;t think nanny-scofflaws can learn from their mistakes and be reformed?</p>
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