Comments on: grinning chimps, hot stocks and hotham http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2008/07/21/grinning-chimps-hot-stocks-and-hotham/ breathless punditry and one-breath poetry with David Giacalone Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:58:52 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Greg Schwartz http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2008/07/21/grinning-chimps-hot-stocks-and-hotham/comment-page-1/#comment-185403 Greg Schwartz Fri, 25 Jul 2008 01:19:32 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2008/07/21/grinning-chimps-hot-stocks-and-hotham/#comment-185403 Wow, that's quite a deal. I also got it for $8, but I don't feel cheated at all. Definitely a strong collection. I'll post a link to that Audubon Press deal on my site. That's a price many people should take advantage of. Wow, that’s quite a deal. I also got it for $8, but I don’t feel cheated at all. Definitely a strong collection.

I’ll post a link to that Audubon Press deal on my site. That’s a price many people should take advantage of.

]]> By: David Giacalone http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2008/07/21/grinning-chimps-hot-stocks-and-hotham/comment-page-1/#comment-185393 David Giacalone Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:54:28 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2008/07/21/grinning-chimps-hot-stocks-and-hotham/#comment-185393 Hello, Greg. It's nice to hear from another breathless admirer of Gary Hotham. I wonder if we can convince Don at Lilliput to put Cheeta on the cover of the second printing of "Missed Appointment." My introduction to Gary (after seeing him in Cor's Haiku Anthology) was "<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Breath-Marks-Haiku-Read-Dark/dp/1885767587" rel="nofollow">Breath Marks: Haiku to Read in the Dark</a>" (<a href="http://www.canonpress.org/shop/item.asp?itemid=437" rel="nofollow">Canon Press</a> 1999). At 110 pages, with 80 poems plus an essay, I thought it was a wonderful deal at $8. Tonight, I just discovered that <a href="https://www.audubonpress.net/product.php?productid=16516&cat=454&page=1&js=n" rel="nofollow">Audubon Press has it on sale</a> for $3.75, making it the best deal in all of the haijiniverse. I urge readers who do not possess Breathmarks to click through to Audubon, or (like I did a few years ago) give it to a friend -- especially one who does not yet love haiku. Hello, Greg. It’s nice to hear from another breathless admirer of Gary Hotham. I wonder if we can convince Don at Lilliput to put Cheeta on the cover of the second printing of “Missed Appointment.”

My introduction to Gary (after seeing him in Cor’s Haiku Anthology) was “Breath Marks: Haiku to Read in the Dark” (Canon Press 1999). At 110 pages, with 80 poems plus an essay, I thought it was a wonderful deal at $8. Tonight, I just discovered that Audubon Press has it on sale for $3.75, making it the best deal in all of the haijiniverse. I urge readers who do not possess Breathmarks to click through to Audubon, or (like I did a few years ago) give it to a friend — especially one who does not yet love haiku.

]]> By: Greg Schwartz http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2008/07/21/grinning-chimps-hot-stocks-and-hotham/comment-page-1/#comment-185390 Greg Schwartz Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:12:38 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2008/07/21/grinning-chimps-hot-stocks-and-hotham/#comment-185390 Missed Appointment is a great collection, and that loon haiku is one of my favorite. It's the first book by Gary that I read, and I liked it so much I bought Footprints & Fingerprints, Breathmarks, and another chapbook that I just ordered last week but can't remember the name. The honorable mention is awesome, but I think Missed Appointment could've won 1st place in the contest if it had a picture of a smiling chimp on the cover. Missed Appointment is a great collection, and that loon haiku is one of my favorite. It’s the first book by Gary that I read, and I liked it so much I bought Footprints & Fingerprints, Breathmarks, and another chapbook that I just ordered last week but can’t remember the name.

The honorable mention is awesome, but I think Missed Appointment could’ve won 1st place in the contest if it had a picture of a smiling chimp on the cover.

]]> By: David Giacalone http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2008/07/21/grinning-chimps-hot-stocks-and-hotham/comment-page-1/#comment-185381 David Giacalone Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:19:53 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2008/07/21/grinning-chimps-hot-stocks-and-hotham/#comment-185381 Thank you for giving us more, Information and explanation, Steve. I'm still finding it hard to believe that the people who are making this misinterpretation are the opinion makers and policy leaders who will decide whether resources are used to help chimpanzees. As with lovable pandas, polar bears and dolphins, I believe the affection the public feels for those smiling chimpanzees can be used to help tell their story and have it heard. I'm worried that your position -- by sounding too extreme -- will turn off a lot of people who would otherwise be in support of the conservation efforts. Thank you for giving us more, Information and explanation, Steve. I’m still finding it hard to believe that the people who are making this misinterpretation are the opinion makers and policy leaders who will decide whether resources are used to help chimpanzees. As with lovable pandas, polar bears and dolphins, I believe the affection the public feels for those smiling chimpanzees can be used to help tell their story and have it heard. I’m worried that your position — by sounding too extreme — will turn off a lot of people who would otherwise be in support of the conservation efforts.

]]> By: Steve http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2008/07/21/grinning-chimps-hot-stocks-and-hotham/comment-page-1/#comment-185377 Steve Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:41:35 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2008/07/21/grinning-chimps-hot-stocks-and-hotham/#comment-185377 The study was published in Science Vol. 319 (March 14 2008). The survey itself actually used "neutral" pictures of apes but when questioned why people did not think chimpanzees were endangered (those who responded that way) most often cited their frequent appearances as actors in movies and televsion and advertisements, etc. I realize that many people interpret these studies as attempts to censor what people see and how people feel...but this is not the point. The fact is that these images and the practices that lead to them have serious welfare and conservation implications that we should all be aware of. While I hope that the day is coming when these practices will not exist for these reasons, I think our role at this point is educating folks on the context of these images. Ultimately, the public will decide what is "acceptable" or not. The study was published in Science Vol. 319 (March 14 2008).

The survey itself actually used “neutral” pictures of apes but when questioned why people did not think chimpanzees were endangered (those who responded that way) most often cited their frequent appearances as actors in movies and televsion and advertisements, etc.

I realize that many people interpret these studies as attempts to censor what people see and how people feel…but this is not the point. The fact is that these images and the practices that lead to them have serious welfare and conservation implications that we should all be aware of. While I hope that the day is coming when these practices will not exist for these reasons, I think our role at this point is educating folks on the context of these images. Ultimately, the public will decide what is “acceptable” or not.

]]> By: David Giacalone http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2008/07/21/grinning-chimps-hot-stocks-and-hotham/comment-page-1/#comment-185342 David Giacalone Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:43:13 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2008/07/21/grinning-chimps-hot-stocks-and-hotham/#comment-185342 Thanks for the Comment, Steve. (Am I right to assume that you are the author, Steve Ross?) I'm sorry for any confusion: Gary Hotham merely wrote the poems, he has nothing to do with the content of the posting, which -- as indicated -- is written by myself, David Giacalone. I'd be happy to hear more about that study, Steve, especially whether it is the cards and ads with smiling chimp faces that cause the conclusion. Even if there were a link, as with satire, I do not believe in censoring materials merely because it might be misunderstood by a segment of society. Your comment has led me to edit that sentence. It now says "I can't imagine why you'd think [reasonably thoughtful] members of our species would have that illogical reaction." Thanks for the Comment, Steve. (Am I right to assume that you are the author, Steve Ross?) I’m sorry for any confusion: Gary Hotham merely wrote the poems, he has nothing to do with the content of the posting, which — as indicated — is written by myself, David Giacalone.

I’d be happy to hear more about that study, Steve, especially whether it is the cards and ads with smiling chimp faces that cause the conclusion. Even if there were a link, as with satire, I do not believe in censoring materials merely because it might be misunderstood by a segment of society.

Your comment has led me to edit that sentence. It now says “I can’t imagine why you’d think [reasonably thoughtful] members of our species would have that illogical reaction.”

]]> By: Steve http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2008/07/21/grinning-chimps-hot-stocks-and-hotham/comment-page-1/#comment-185339 Steve Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:33:51 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2008/07/21/grinning-chimps-hot-stocks-and-hotham/#comment-185339 Gary Hotham should consider reading the Op-Ed peice carefully and perhaps (gasp) even doing some reasearch before commenting on something. You "can’t imagine why you’d think members of our species would have that illogical reaction" and yet the premise of these points is that a very strong scientific survey pointed out that this is precisely what many people were thinking! Gary Hotham should consider reading the Op-Ed peice carefully and perhaps (gasp) even doing some reasearch before commenting on something. You “can’t imagine why you’d think members of our species would have that illogical reaction” and yet the premise of these points is that a very strong scientific survey pointed out that this is precisely what many people were thinking!

]]> By: Anne http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2008/07/21/grinning-chimps-hot-stocks-and-hotham/comment-page-1/#comment-185233 Anne Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:06:28 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2008/07/21/grinning-chimps-hot-stocks-and-hotham/#comment-185233 On this anniversary of the Scopes Monkey Trial, let me clarify: I meant that nature seems to favor our irresistible impulse to buy monkey cards, not that we possess any actual monkey DNA. Although, my son may have a monkey for an uncle. The jury is still out on that. On this anniversary of the Scopes Monkey Trial, let me clarify: I meant that nature seems to favor our irresistible impulse to buy monkey cards, not that we possess any actual monkey DNA.

Although, my son may have a monkey for an uncle. The jury is still out on that.

]]> By: David Giacalone http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2008/07/21/grinning-chimps-hot-stocks-and-hotham/comment-page-1/#comment-185209 David Giacalone Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:22:44 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2008/07/21/grinning-chimps-hot-stocks-and-hotham/#comment-185209 Very convincing, Anne. That monkey DNA gets around. Very convincing, Anne. That monkey DNA gets around.

]]> By: Anne http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2008/07/21/grinning-chimps-hot-stocks-and-hotham/comment-page-1/#comment-185203 Anne Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:56:39 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2008/07/21/grinning-chimps-hot-stocks-and-hotham/#comment-185203 That's ridiculous. I, for one, have never been able to resist a monkey card. My 2 y.o. son seems to have inherited this trait; therefore it must be a good characteristic favored by nature. That’s ridiculous. I, for one, have never been able to resist a monkey card. My 2 y.o. son seems to have inherited this trait; therefore it must be a good characteristic favored by nature.

]]> By: David Giacalone http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2008/07/21/grinning-chimps-hot-stocks-and-hotham/comment-page-1/#comment-185103 David Giacalone Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:12:21 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2008/07/21/grinning-chimps-hot-stocks-and-hotham/#comment-185103 Don, Thanks for reminding us about the Kanterman honors for "Missed Appointment." I keep waiting for the official announcement from the Haiku Society of America. Congratulations also to you, as editor of the publisher, Lilliput Review and Modest Proposal Chapbooks. Don, Thanks for reminding us about the Kanterman honors for “Missed Appointment.” I keep waiting for the official announcement from the Haiku Society of America. Congratulations also to you, as editor of the publisher, Lilliput Review and Modest Proposal Chapbooks.

]]> By: Don http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2008/07/21/grinning-chimps-hot-stocks-and-hotham/comment-page-1/#comment-185096 Don Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:16:22 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethicalesq/2008/07/21/grinning-chimps-hot-stocks-and-hotham/#comment-185096 David: Thanks very much for featuring Gary Hotham's work from "Missed Appointment." I was thrilled for him when he received an Honorable Mention for "Missed Appointment" in this year's HSA annual Kanterman Memorial Books Awards. Couldn't happen to a more generous guy. best, Don at Lilliput Review David:

Thanks very much for featuring Gary Hotham’s work from “Missed Appointment.” I was thrilled for him when he received an Honorable Mention for “Missed Appointment” in this year’s HSA annual Kanterman Memorial Books Awards.

Couldn’t happen to a more generous guy.

best,
Don at Lilliput Review

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