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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/geekroom/2003/10/17/openofficeorg-and-pdfcreator/comment-page-1/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Richard Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 03:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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Nice one, but what about der weg ? anywya, congrats from me.</description>
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<p>Nice one, but what about der weg ? anywya, congrats from me.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Jackson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/geekroom/2003/10/17/openofficeorg-and-pdfcreator/comment-page-1/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2005 01:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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A heap of wheat, says the Song of Songs 
but I&#039;ve never seen wheat in a pile :)
did you like it?</description>
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<p>A heap of wheat, says the Song of Songs<br />
but I&#8217;ve never seen wheat in a pile <img src='http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/geekroom/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
did you like it?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Fuentes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Fuentes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2005 06:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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The text was good, but i stil cant find the play ipdates. looking for it dude.</description>
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<p>The text was good, but i stil cant find the play ipdates. looking for it dude.</p>
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		<title>By: Mimi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2005 01:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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OOo is great, but lacks a piece of functionality for academic use that will keep it from being part of the academic market until its next release.  There isn&#039;t sufficient support for bibliographic tools.  It doesn&#039;t work too well with Endnote (the most popular software in the humanities and social sciences) or with BibTeX.  Yes, you can do an RTF conversion with OOo, but you have to redo the whole thing each time you change a reference or change the reference style, so you end up having several documents for several styles.  They&#039;re not intending to &quot;fix&quot; this with the integrated database (which is minimally functional, but only minimally) until OOo 2.0.

So I use OOo 1.1, I encourage others to use it, and I hope it continues to develop well.  but for my dissertation, I&#039;ll likely have to use Word or (huge groan!) learn LaTeX in order make sure I can cite sources and have the use of bibliographic features.</description>
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<p>OOo is great, but lacks a piece of functionality for academic use that will keep it from being part of the academic market until its next release.  There isn&#8217;t sufficient support for bibliographic tools.  It doesn&#8217;t work too well with Endnote (the most popular software in the humanities and social sciences) or with BibTeX.  Yes, you can do an RTF conversion with OOo, but you have to redo the whole thing each time you change a reference or change the reference style, so you end up having several documents for several styles.  They&#8217;re not intending to &#8220;fix&#8221; this with the integrated database (which is minimally functional, but only minimally) until OOo 2.0.</p>
<p>So I use OOo 1.1, I encourage others to use it, and I hope it continues to develop well.  but for my dissertation, I&#8217;ll likely have to use Word or (huge groan!) learn LaTeX in order make sure I can cite sources and have the use of bibliographic features.</p>
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		<title>By: Miguel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miguel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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Hal -- when will the Berkman Center be moving to the clear choice of Internet civil libertarians everywhere and begin sporting some Macs?  Printing documents to PDF?  Built into the system.  Bitchin&#039; command line tools, Perl, Apache, etc., and you can use the god-forsaken MS Office.  What&#039;s the hold up?</description>
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<p>Hal &#8212; when will the Berkman Center be moving to the clear choice of Internet civil libertarians everywhere and begin sporting some Macs?  Printing documents to PDF?  Built into the system.  Bitchin&#8217; command line tools, Perl, Apache, etc., and you can use the god-forsaken MS Office.  What&#8217;s the hold up?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Chejlyk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Chejlyk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2003 06:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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OpenOffice 1.1 is very nice. The load time is much improved, although it still doesn&#039;t start as fast as Word or TextMaker. I like the stability thus far, I never had any issues with OOorg 1.0, although I didn&#039;t use the quick launcher. I gave up on MS Office, because it crashes. I&#039;ve also fully switched to Linux, because MS Windows and many apps under it crash too often. I consider an &quot;Illegal Operation or &quot;Send an Error Report&quot; as a crash.</description>
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<p>OpenOffice 1.1 is very nice. The load time is much improved, although it still doesn&#8217;t start as fast as Word or TextMaker. I like the stability thus far, I never had any issues with OOorg 1.0, although I didn&#8217;t use the quick launcher. I gave up on MS Office, because it crashes. I&#8217;ve also fully switched to Linux, because MS Windows and many apps under it crash too often. I consider an &#8220;Illegal Operation or &#8220;Send an Error Report&#8221; as a crash.</p>
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		<title>By: mpt</title>
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		<dc:creator>mpt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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I work at an Internet cafe which has MS Office installed on 3 computers, and OpenOffice (dot org) on the other 40 or so.

The most important improvement I have noticed from OpenOffice (dot org) version 1.1 is that the QuickStarter doesn&#039;t hang any more. (Sometimes the hanging in version 1.0 would prevent any other program from launching, which was lots of fun.) The second-most important improvement is that the splash screen now has a progress meter, making customers much less anxious about whether anything is happening after they launch it. (Even so, the fact we&#039;re still waiting longer than a second for a word processor to launch, in the 21st century, is truly shameful.)

Unfortunately in version 1.1, OpenOffice (dot org) Writer&#039;s &quot;Edit&quot; menu is too long to drop down properly in an 800*600 display (using the standard Windows UI font). In comparison, all the menus in Microsoft Word 2000 are simple enough to fit easily into a 640*480 display, so such overcomplicated and thoughtless design by the OpenOffice (dot org) team is appalling. Yes, I could customize it, but since most computer users are running at 800*600, I shouldn&#039;t have to, and I certainly don&#039;t want to on 40-plus machines.

Other things which haven&#039;t improved include the crappy initial setup of Writer (you have to close a useless &quot;Paragraph Styles&quot; window before beginning work, the default zoom level is too large to see the entire width of the page, there&#039;s no Zoom control on the toolbar to fix it, adding one means navigating through a ridiculously complicated dialog, and after all that it&#039;s a Zoom button rather than MS Office&#039;s more useful menu), and the misleading application icons (which look like documents rather than applications).

If the OpenOfice (dot org) team had spent as much time improving the UI as they spent renaming their bug database from Bugzilla to IssueZilla, the software would be much nicer to use.</description>
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<p>I work at an Internet cafe which has MS Office installed on 3 computers, and OpenOffice (dot org) on the other 40 or so.</p>
<p>The most important improvement I have noticed from OpenOffice (dot org) version 1.1 is that the QuickStarter doesn&#8217;t hang any more. (Sometimes the hanging in version 1.0 would prevent any other program from launching, which was lots of fun.) The second-most important improvement is that the splash screen now has a progress meter, making customers much less anxious about whether anything is happening after they launch it. (Even so, the fact we&#8217;re still waiting longer than a second for a word processor to launch, in the 21st century, is truly shameful.)</p>
<p>Unfortunately in version 1.1, OpenOffice (dot org) Writer&#8217;s &#8220;Edit&#8221; menu is too long to drop down properly in an 800*600 display (using the standard Windows UI font). In comparison, all the menus in Microsoft Word 2000 are simple enough to fit easily into a 640*480 display, so such overcomplicated and thoughtless design by the OpenOffice (dot org) team is appalling. Yes, I could customize it, but since most computer users are running at 800*600, I shouldn&#8217;t have to, and I certainly don&#8217;t want to on 40-plus machines.</p>
<p>Other things which haven&#8217;t improved include the crappy initial setup of Writer (you have to close a useless &#8220;Paragraph Styles&#8221; window before beginning work, the default zoom level is too large to see the entire width of the page, there&#8217;s no Zoom control on the toolbar to fix it, adding one means navigating through a ridiculously complicated dialog, and after all that it&#8217;s a Zoom button rather than MS Office&#8217;s more useful menu), and the misleading application icons (which look like documents rather than applications).</p>
<p>If the OpenOfice (dot org) team had spent as much time improving the UI as they spent renaming their bug database from Bugzilla to IssueZilla, the software would be much nicer to use.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Miseldine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip Miseldine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2003 22:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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A little point about the MS filters: Word 2003, and Excel 2003 now can save to XML meaning anyone can code software to read and write fully formatted Office files. (Here&#039;s what a Word file looks like in XML: http://www.miseldine.com/files/modifiedstate.xml).

And whilst OpenOffice is great as its free, it still feels a world away from the productivity of the latest Office 2003, which after a few less-than-important iterations since version 95, is finally feeling like a finished product. OpenOffice IMHO has a long, long way to go before its near the same quality. 

Perhaps that&#039;s because of the investment Microsoft puts into Office which OpenOffice just can&#039;t achieve because of the revenue it brings in. I expect the next version to include many of the new features of Office 2003...without MS making the breakthroughs through their cash, would the other survive?</description>
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<p>A little point about the MS filters: Word 2003, and Excel 2003 now can save to XML meaning anyone can code software to read and write fully formatted Office files. (Here&#8217;s what a Word file looks like in XML: <a href="http://www.miseldine.com/files/modifiedstate.xml)" rel="nofollow">http://www.miseldine.com/files/modifiedstate.xml)</a>.</p>
<p>And whilst OpenOffice is great as its free, it still feels a world away from the productivity of the latest Office 2003, which after a few less-than-important iterations since version 95, is finally feeling like a finished product. OpenOffice IMHO has a long, long way to go before its near the same quality. </p>
<p>Perhaps that&#8217;s because of the investment Microsoft puts into Office which OpenOffice just can&#8217;t achieve because of the revenue it brings in. I expect the next version to include many of the new features of Office 2003&#8230;without MS making the breakthroughs through their cash, would the other survive?</p>
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