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	<title>Comments on: OpenDNS and Firefox Search</title>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/hroberts/2008/09/07/opendns-and-firefox-search/#comment-100</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 13:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like OpenDNS and have used it for a long time. But now, some of the time, an unresolved IP brings up Yahoo instead. What happened? OpenDNS is there sometimes.

I think OpenDNS is rather clever. I hate how Yahoo pays to hijack the installation of other programs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like OpenDNS and have used it for a long time. But now, some of the time, an unresolved IP brings up Yahoo instead. What happened? OpenDNS is there sometimes.</p>
<p>I think OpenDNS is rather clever. I hate how Yahoo pays to hijack the installation of other programs.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/hroberts/2008/09/07/opendns-and-firefox-search/#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one should "have" to sign up at opendns just to get there browser working as it used to.

As an IT professional this has really infuriated me as it acts just like any twopenny browser hijacker out there, changing my browsing experience without my say so or permission.

Can't think of a better way to alienate people from your product than to force it on them and tell them they can get around it by signing up!

Just like the scumware that infects peoples machines telling them they have multiple viruses and the like that can only be removed by paying them $19.99 for their virus removal software (which only removes their hijacker.. sometimes)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one should &#8220;have&#8221; to sign up at opendns just to get there browser working as it used to.</p>
<p>As an IT professional this has really infuriated me as it acts just like any twopenny browser hijacker out there, changing my browsing experience without my say so or permission.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t think of a better way to alienate people from your product than to force it on them and tell them they can get around it by signing up!</p>
<p>Just like the scumware that infects peoples machines telling them they have multiple viruses and the like that can only be removed by paying them $19.99 for their virus removal software (which only removes their hijacker.. sometimes)</p>
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		<title>By: silencer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/hroberts/2008/09/07/opendns-and-firefox-search/#comment-64</link>
		<dc:creator>silencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 05:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On both my desktop AND the brand new acer one netbook I bought YESTERDAY, suddenly my firefox searches ended in OPEN DNS GUIDE. 
I was able to get my searches unhijacked by this 'setting', back to google.
I am quite mad about this. Why did OPENDNS hack my firefox browsers?
Secondly, NOW if I type in a site manually, instead of a 404 I am getting redirected to OPENDNS GUIDE. I do not have any settings left to change.

Is there a lawyer launching a class action lawsuit against this company, as I would like to write a statement for court about how they took over my browser and cost me several hours of time and I STILL can't get rid of it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On both my desktop AND the brand new acer one netbook I bought YESTERDAY, suddenly my firefox searches ended in OPEN DNS GUIDE.<br />
I was able to get my searches unhijacked by this &#8217;setting&#8217;, back to google.<br />
I am quite mad about this. Why did OPENDNS hack my firefox browsers?<br />
Secondly, NOW if I type in a site manually, instead of a 404 I am getting redirected to OPENDNS GUIDE. I do not have any settings left to change.</p>
<p>Is there a lawyer launching a class action lawsuit against this company, as I would like to write a statement for court about how they took over my browser and cost me several hours of time and I STILL can&#8217;t get rid of it?</p>
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		<title>By: hal</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/hroberts/2008/09/07/opendns-and-firefox-search/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 18:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

I've edited the text slightly.  At the end of the day, yahoo gives you money in return for information about what websites your clients are browsing for.  That qualifies as selling your clients' data.  The exception in your privacy policy further allows for a large range of behaviors to which many folks would object.  It seems to me, for example, to allow you to affiliate yourself with NebuAd for the purpose of providing more targeted advertising to your clients.  There's a broad range of such possible objectionable activities that fall under the rubric of affiliated advertising services.

What's most troubling about opendns is that the system is opt-in  and opaque to most users, as strongly indicated by the fact that the very bright and technology savvy Doc Searls can't figure out why his firefox has suddenly broken.  That he can opt-out by signing up for an account on your system and wading through the preferences is completely beside the point.  A quick look at the search page shows a tiny 'why am i here' link in the top right that doesn't explain at all that opendns has injected itself into the dns process.  It's one thing for someone to visit yahoo voluntarily and submit his info to them.  It's another for the opendns search page to be injected into the browsing session via a deep and opaque mechanism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve edited the text slightly.  At the end of the day, yahoo gives you money in return for information about what websites your clients are browsing for.  That qualifies as selling your clients&#8217; data.  The exception in your privacy policy further allows for a large range of behaviors to which many folks would object.  It seems to me, for example, to allow you to affiliate yourself with NebuAd for the purpose of providing more targeted advertising to your clients.  There&#8217;s a broad range of such possible objectionable activities that fall under the rubric of affiliated advertising services.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s most troubling about opendns is that the system is opt-in  and opaque to most users, as strongly indicated by the fact that the very bright and technology savvy Doc Searls can&#8217;t figure out why his firefox has suddenly broken.  That he can opt-out by signing up for an account on your system and wading through the preferences is completely beside the point.  A quick look at the search page shows a tiny &#8216;why am i here&#8217; link in the top right that doesn&#8217;t explain at all that opendns has injected itself into the dns process.  It&#8217;s one thing for someone to visit yahoo voluntarily and submit his info to them.  It&#8217;s another for the opendns search page to be injected into the browsing session via a deep and opaque mechanism.</p>
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		<title>By: hal</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/hroberts/2008/09/07/opendns-and-firefox-search/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doc,

It sounds like the problem is that your network setup got changed somehow so that you are now using opendns as your dns server.  Most likely, whatever isp you are connecting through has changed to using opendns as their default dns server.  So the change didn't happen in firefox.  It happened in your underlying network configuration as pushed to you by your isp, and firefox is just making the change apparent.

To verify this in windows, go to the command line and type 'ipconfig /all'.  If the dns server listed is opendns, that's the issue.  To get the search as address bar fall through working again, you'll need to manually change your dns server back to some non-opendns dns server (or call and complain to your isp and get them to change back to a non-opendns dns server for their network).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc,</p>
<p>It sounds like the problem is that your network setup got changed somehow so that you are now using opendns as your dns server.  Most likely, whatever isp you are connecting through has changed to using opendns as their default dns server.  So the change didn&#8217;t happen in firefox.  It happened in your underlying network configuration as pushed to you by your isp, and firefox is just making the change apparent.</p>
<p>To verify this in windows, go to the command line and type &#8216;ipconfig /all&#8217;.  If the dns server listed is opendns, that&#8217;s the issue.  To get the search as address bar fall through working again, you&#8217;ll need to manually change your dns server back to some non-opendns dns server (or call and complain to your isp and get them to change back to a non-opendns dns server for their network).</p>
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		<title>By: David Ulevitch</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/hroberts/2008/09/07/opendns-and-firefox-search/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>David Ulevitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doc -- nothing has changed on our end in months.

If you go to about:config in Firefox and look for keyword.url you can change that to whatever you want.

If you want to stop us from responding to address bar search requests, login to your OpenDNS account and turn off "OpenDNS proxy."  Note that if you do that, shortcuts and other typo correction features will start to break.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc &#8212; nothing has changed on our end in months.</p>
<p>If you go to about:config in Firefox and look for keyword.url you can change that to whatever you want.</p>
<p>If you want to stop us from responding to address bar search requests, login to your OpenDNS account and turn off &#8220;OpenDNS proxy.&#8221;  Note that if you do that, shortcuts and other typo correction features will start to break.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/hroberts/2008/09/07/opendns-and-firefox-search/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Searls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand why the failover works. What I don't understand is why it suddenly started to work that way. In the past, the address bar also served as a google search bar unless I typed or pasted in an actual URL. The search default was I'm Feeling Lucky -- which was a trip directly to the site Google thought was requrested. Otherwise it went to a Google search. Now Google is gone and there is only OpenDNS. For example, if I type in "searls" it goes straight to an OpenDNS (actually, Yahoo) search for searls. Why the change? That's what I don't get. I also don't get how to un-change it. Where is the Firefox setting for address bar behaviors?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand why the failover works. What I don&#8217;t understand is why it suddenly started to work that way. In the past, the address bar also served as a google search bar unless I typed or pasted in an actual URL. The search default was I&#8217;m Feeling Lucky &#8212; which was a trip directly to the site Google thought was requrested. Otherwise it went to a Google search. Now Google is gone and there is only OpenDNS. For example, if I type in &#8220;searls&#8221; it goes straight to an OpenDNS (actually, Yahoo) search for searls. Why the change? That&#8217;s what I don&#8217;t get. I also don&#8217;t get how to un-change it. Where is the Firefox setting for address bar behaviors?</p>
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		<title>By: David Ulevitch</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/hroberts/2008/09/07/opendns-and-firefox-search/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>David Ulevitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hal -- We have never EVER sold any data about OpenDNS customers to another company.

Two things you seem to miss:

1) We let you revert your address bar behavior.  Just login to your account and disable the OpenDNS proxy.  The vast majority of our users like it as it makes shortcuts work reliably and gives people their custom guide page.  It's using YDN right now for results, but we hope to switch it to BOSS.  If we knew of an API to use Google, we'd obviously love to give our users that choice too.

2) We have never sold, nor do we have any intention of selling any customer data ever.   You have completely taken that line from our privacy policy out of context.  All that means is that when you click an ad, our advertising partner (Yahoo) will see your IP address and the typo you made that resulted in you seeing the ad you clicked on.  Nothing more.

And of course, you can disable logging if you'd like.  We provide all logging for your benefit, to show you your stats.  If you don't want it (it's off by default) we don't store any logs about your DNS patterns.

Please update your post accordingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hal &#8212; We have never EVER sold any data about OpenDNS customers to another company.</p>
<p>Two things you seem to miss:</p>
<p>1) We let you revert your address bar behavior.  Just login to your account and disable the OpenDNS proxy.  The vast majority of our users like it as it makes shortcuts work reliably and gives people their custom guide page.  It&#8217;s using YDN right now for results, but we hope to switch it to BOSS.  If we knew of an API to use Google, we&#8217;d obviously love to give our users that choice too.</p>
<p>2) We have never sold, nor do we have any intention of selling any customer data ever.   You have completely taken that line from our privacy policy out of context.  All that means is that when you click an ad, our advertising partner (Yahoo) will see your IP address and the typo you made that resulted in you seeing the ad you clicked on.  Nothing more.</p>
<p>And of course, you can disable logging if you&#8217;d like.  We provide all logging for your benefit, to show you your stats.  If you don&#8217;t want it (it&#8217;s off by default) we don&#8217;t store any logs about your DNS patterns.</p>
<p>Please update your post accordingly.</p>
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