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	<title>Comments on: Amazon&#8217;s Wikileaks Takedown</title>
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		<title>By: pseudo william</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/hroberts/2010/12/03/amazons-wikileaks-takedown/comment-page-1/#comment-1507</link>
		<dc:creator>pseudo william</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 16:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>theprez98 says: “you cannot sue Amazon for violating your free speech rights, because you have no such rights in their environment, and there is no such prohibition against them doing so.”

It&#039;s not as simple as theprez98 would like it to be(free speech/1st amendment).

The implication regarding Rights and constitutional protection of amazon&#039;s autonomous speech right is far from evident. Follow the supreme court history Austin v. Michigan Chamber of Commerce, 494 U.S. 65 &gt; Buckley v. Valeo 424 U.S. 1 (1976) &gt; Bellotti, 435 U.S 435 U.S &gt; Citizens United v Federal Election Commission, 130 S.Ct. 876c. There you&#039;ll find the line of reasoning (while i strongly disagree with the courts argument) where the Right for the listener is one of unobstructed listening, ergo passive speech. Evidently, Wikileak is a new twist to the discourse of free speech. That is, what about the right of free speech pertaining to market leaders (large corporations), thence, their refusal of speech, i.e. suppressing passive free speech. 

Ceteris parius, the passive right to speech is very much in line with the courts quantitative argument. It says, the more information there is disseminated, the more speech there is, the more freedom of speech there is, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>theprez98 says: “you cannot sue Amazon for violating your free speech rights, because you have no such rights in their environment, and there is no such prohibition against them doing so.”</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not as simple as theprez98 would like it to be(free speech/1st amendment).</p>
<p>The implication regarding Rights and constitutional protection of amazon&#8217;s autonomous speech right is far from evident. Follow the supreme court history Austin v. Michigan Chamber of Commerce, 494 U.S. 65 &gt; Buckley v. Valeo 424 U.S. 1 (1976) &gt; Bellotti, 435 U.S 435 U.S &gt; Citizens United v Federal Election Commission, 130 S.Ct. 876c. There you&#8217;ll find the line of reasoning (while i strongly disagree with the courts argument) where the Right for the listener is one of unobstructed listening, ergo passive speech. Evidently, Wikileak is a new twist to the discourse of free speech. That is, what about the right of free speech pertaining to market leaders (large corporations), thence, their refusal of speech, i.e. suppressing passive free speech. </p>
<p>Ceteris parius, the passive right to speech is very much in line with the courts quantitative argument. It says, the more information there is disseminated, the more speech there is, the more freedom of speech there is, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Karstens &#8211; WikiLeaks, the Cloud, and Internet pluralism: A roundup of emerging lessons learned</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/hroberts/2010/12/03/amazons-wikileaks-takedown/comment-page-1/#comment-1506</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Karstens &#8211; WikiLeaks, the Cloud, and Internet pluralism: A roundup of emerging lessons learned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 15:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] but shut down their server and wait for it to pass. Or, as the Berkman Center’s Hal Roberts points out, they can turn to “only a couple dozen organizations &#8230; at the core of the Internet who have [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] but shut down their server and wait for it to pass. Or, as the Berkman Center’s Hal Roberts points out, they can turn to “only a couple dozen organizations &#8230; at the core of the Internet who have [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Eyler-Werve</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/hroberts/2010/12/03/amazons-wikileaks-takedown/comment-page-1/#comment-1484</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Eyler-Werve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2010 20:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Kate, you might be interested in the Iceland Modern Media Initiative, which has been praised by folks at wikileaks as a possible solution. 

IMMI proposes a set of airtight legal protections for data hosts on Icelandic soil. However, this doesn&#039;t fix something like Amazon Web Services, which has bundled a giant swath of hosting environments with the business interests of Amazon.com, a company that enjoys highly beneficial tax considerations with the US government. These private hosts could act differently on US soil -- legal protections for hosts here aren&#039;t bad -- but they choose not to because the participation of political minorities is less important than not drawing bad press to their brand or business interests. There is no first amendment of private hosting, and that&#039;s a problem. 

Best, 
Jonathan at Global Integrity</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Kate, you might be interested in the Iceland Modern Media Initiative, which has been praised by folks at wikileaks as a possible solution. </p>
<p>IMMI proposes a set of airtight legal protections for data hosts on Icelandic soil. However, this doesn&#8217;t fix something like Amazon Web Services, which has bundled a giant swath of hosting environments with the business interests of&nbsp;<a href="http://Amazon.com" title="http://Amazon. " target="_blank">Amazon.com</a>, a company that enjoys highly beneficial tax considerations with the US government. These private hosts could act differently on US soil &#8212; legal protections for hosts here aren&#8217;t bad &#8212; but they choose not to because the participation of political minorities is less important than not drawing bad press to their brand or business interests. There is no first amendment of private hosting, and that&#8217;s a problem. </p>
<p>Best,<br />
Jonathan at Global Integrity</p>
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		<title>By: Maarten</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/hroberts/2010/12/03/amazons-wikileaks-takedown/comment-page-1/#comment-1475</link>
		<dc:creator>Maarten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2010 10:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting and thought provoking post, thank you.

I have a question about the claim that there is only a handful of hosts who can keep material available while withstanding a DDoS attack. I understand that in practice the cables are distributed using BitTorrent. WikiLeaks needs to reach initial downloaders, but once the torrent is seeded, all that needs to be distributed is a link to the torrent. This is lightweight, can be rapidly posted in many places (Twitter, Facebook), and is easily re-blogged by sympathisizers. If there is sufficient interest, it quickly becomes nearly impossible to shut down the p2p torrent distribution of the actual &quot;publication&quot; by either government action or DDoS.

Is there really a need to push high-powered hosters to host material beyond their Terms of Service? Or do we simply need to ensure that services like Twitter and BitTorrent are available to any and all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting and thought provoking post, thank you.</p>
<p>I have a question about the claim that there is only a handful of hosts who can keep material available while withstanding a DDoS attack. I understand that in practice the cables are distributed using BitTorrent. WikiLeaks needs to reach initial downloaders, but once the torrent is seeded, all that needs to be distributed is a link to the torrent. This is lightweight, can be rapidly posted in many places (Twitter, Facebook), and is easily re-blogged by sympathisizers. If there is sufficient interest, it quickly becomes nearly impossible to shut down the p2p torrent distribution of the actual &#8220;publication&#8221; by either government action or DDoS.</p>
<p>Is there really a need to push high-powered hosters to host material beyond their Terms of Service? Or do we simply need to ensure that services like Twitter and BitTorrent are available to any and all?</p>
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		<title>By: Haro sur Wikileaks &#124; ReadWriteWeb France</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/hroberts/2010/12/03/amazons-wikileaks-takedown/comment-page-1/#comment-1471</link>
		<dc:creator>Haro sur Wikileaks &#124; ReadWriteWeb France</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2010 07:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] web, comme l’indique Hal Roberts, du Berkman Center de Harvard, dans son article consacré à l’abandon de Wikileaks par Amazon, et le rôle que peuvent jouer les entreprises privées : Notre société a atteint une période [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] web, comme l’indique Hal Roberts, du Berkman Center de Harvard, dans son article consacré à l’abandon de Wikileaks par Amazon, et le rôle que peuvent jouer les entreprises privées : Notre société a atteint une période [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Actions to silence Cablegate and Wikileaks, threats against Assange - Global Voices Advocacy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/hroberts/2010/12/03/amazons-wikileaks-takedown/comment-page-1/#comment-1457</link>
		<dc:creator>Actions to silence Cablegate and Wikileaks, threats against Assange - Global Voices Advocacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Dec 2010 13:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to stress the complexities of a Website under attack as pointed out by Hal Roberts on his article Amazon´s Wikileak take down and the role of private corporations on it: as a society, we have reached a place where the only [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to stress the complexities of a Website under attack as pointed out by Hal Roberts on his article Amazon´s Wikileak take down and the role of private corporations on it: as a society, we have reached a place where the only [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Wikileaks and the New McCarthyism: Maybe we Just Need a More Open Government &#124; Informed Comment</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/hroberts/2010/12/03/amazons-wikileaks-takedown/comment-page-1/#comment-1451</link>
		<dc:creator>Wikileaks and the New McCarthyism: Maybe we Just Need a More Open Government &#124; Informed Comment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Dec 2010 09:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  Amazon wrote:  &#8216; for example, our terms of service state that “you represent and warrant that you own or otherwise control all of the rights to the content… that use of the content you supply does not violate this policy and will not cause injury to any person or entity.” It’s clear that WikiLeaks doesn’t own or otherwise control all the rights to this classified content.&#8217; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  Amazon wrote:  &#8216; for example, our terms of service state that “you represent and warrant that you own or otherwise control all of the rights to the content… that use of the content you supply does not violate this policy and will not cause injury to any person or entity.” It’s clear that WikiLeaks doesn’t own or otherwise control all the rights to this classified content.&#8217; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kate McLaughlin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/hroberts/2010/12/03/amazons-wikileaks-takedown/comment-page-1/#comment-1439</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate McLaughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Dec 2010 20:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hal, you write, &quot;I think we need to figure out how to provide a space as a society for hosting politically sensitive content that is not subject to arbitrary takedown with no process or oversight.&quot;

I agree, but is there any nation in the world courageous enough to do this? I&#039;d been thinking Sweden, but they&#039;re obviously caving. Switzerland, maybe? Australia? What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hal, you write, &#8220;I think we need to figure out how to provide a space as a society for hosting politically sensitive content that is not subject to arbitrary takedown with no process or oversight.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree, but is there any nation in the world courageous enough to do this? I&#8217;d been thinking Sweden, but they&#8217;re obviously caving. Switzerland, maybe? Australia? What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: cat</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/hroberts/2010/12/03/amazons-wikileaks-takedown/comment-page-1/#comment-1421</link>
		<dc:creator>cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Dec 2010 13:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have sent emails to pay pal and amazon notifying them i will boycott their services as they do not support transparency in the use of tax money....I suggest you get your readers to do the same.  Nothing gets their attention like a hit in the profit groin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have sent emails to pay pal and amazon notifying them i will boycott their services as they do not support transparency in the use of tax money&#8230;.I suggest you get your readers to do the same.  Nothing gets their attention like a hit in the profit groin.</p>
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		<title>By: Hal Roberts / Amazon&#039;s Wikileaks Takedown &#124; The Daily Conservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hal Roberts / Amazon&#039;s Wikileaks Takedown &#124; The Daily Conservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Dec 2010 01:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the rest here: Hal Roberts / Amazon&#039;s Wikileaks Takedown   Share and [...]</description>
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