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	<title>Comments on: Fox News v. McCain on Fair Use</title>
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		<title>By: Info/Law &#187; McCain Wrongly Slammed as Copyright Infringer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/infolaw/2007/10/26/fox-news-v-mccain-on-fair-use/comment-page-1/#comment-64755</link>
		<dc:creator>Info/Law &#187; McCain Wrongly Slammed as Copyright Infringer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to use of clips in television commercials, where the ASCAP and BMI licenses do not apply. But as I have argued before,  these sorts of uses are clearly fair use: they are transformative, brief, and have little or no [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to use of clips in television commercials, where the ASCAP and BMI licenses do not apply. But as I have argued before,  these sorts of uses are clearly fair use: they are transformative, brief, and have little or no [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/infolaw/2007/10/26/fox-news-v-mccain-on-fair-use/comment-page-1/#comment-23951</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 19:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d have to be an idiot to contradict Lessig on his home turf, but what the heck....   

At most, FoxNews has a copyright in whatever creative expression it added, which doesn&#039;t appear to be much: their spinning FoxNews logo, maybe a little bit of camera work and choice of which camera to use at any given time.  That&#039;s all pretty thin.

Running through the 4 &quot;non-exclusive&quot; fair-use factors:  (1) primary use: non-commercial, (2) nature of work: news reporting, not particularly creative, (3) amount and substantiality: small, (4) effect on potential market: slim to none.  Seems to be a slam-dunk fair use argument.

It seems to me that FoxNews might have a claim that McCain&#039;s use of its logo implied that FoxNews endorsed McCain.  But, even that seems to be a reach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d have to be an idiot to contradict Lessig on his home turf, but what the heck&#8230;.   </p>
<p>At most, FoxNews has a copyright in whatever creative expression it added, which doesn&#8217;t appear to be much: their spinning FoxNews logo, maybe a little bit of camera work and choice of which camera to use at any given time.  That&#8217;s all pretty thin.</p>
<p>Running through the 4 &#8220;non-exclusive&#8221; fair-use factors:  (1) primary use: non-commercial, (2) nature of work: news reporting, not particularly creative, (3) amount and substantiality: small, (4) effect on potential market: slim to none.  Seems to be a slam-dunk fair use argument.</p>
<p>It seems to me that FoxNews might have a claim that McCain&#8217;s use of its logo implied that FoxNews endorsed McCain.  But, even that seems to be a reach.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/infolaw/2007/10/26/fox-news-v-mccain-on-fair-use/comment-page-1/#comment-23711</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 03:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My personal feeling is that the fact that McCain is (mostly) showing footage of himself detracts from his fair use argument.  If Senator McCAin was showing a clip of another candidate, the fair use seems more justified since the other candidate is not likely to cooperate by creating another clip that McCain can use to make his point.  McCain, on the other hand, is free to go into a studio and record the same point on his own. The clip, therefore, is being used because of its theatrical impact and, apart from the fact that that it is &quot;19 seconds of a 90-minute debate&quot; there seems to be little to justify the use as being &quot;fair use.&quot;  It certainly is not &quot;criticism&quot; (as would likely be the case if he were using a clip of another candidate).

To be clear, however, while I don&#039;t find McCain&#039;s fair use argument compelling, I agree wholeheartedly with Professor Lessig that &quot;presidential debates are precisely the sort of things that ought to be free of the insanely complex regulation of speech we call copyright law.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My personal feeling is that the fact that McCain is (mostly) showing footage of himself detracts from his fair use argument.  If Senator McCAin was showing a clip of another candidate, the fair use seems more justified since the other candidate is not likely to cooperate by creating another clip that McCain can use to make his point.  McCain, on the other hand, is free to go into a studio and record the same point on his own. The clip, therefore, is being used because of its theatrical impact and, apart from the fact that that it is &#8220;19 seconds of a 90-minute debate&#8221; there seems to be little to justify the use as being &#8220;fair use.&#8221;  It certainly is not &#8220;criticism&#8221; (as would likely be the case if he were using a clip of another candidate).</p>
<p>To be clear, however, while I don&#8217;t find McCain&#8217;s fair use argument compelling, I agree wholeheartedly with Professor Lessig that &#8220;presidential debates are precisely the sort of things that ought to be free of the insanely complex regulation of speech we call copyright law.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/infolaw/2007/10/26/fox-news-v-mccain-on-fair-use/comment-page-1/#comment-23575</link>
		<dc:creator>Cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 04:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Creators hand over their copyrights to intermediaries all the time&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, but not without the satisfying-the-statute-of-frauds requirement of a writing.  Copyrights are not inadvertently transferable.

Fox could probably claim that it had an implied license to fix McCain&#039;s words and use the fixation for its own purposes, but I still can&#039;t see how it could possibly claim to have a copyright in them.  And without there being any, there&#039;s no need to even reach the fair use argument at all since there can be no infringement for fair use to justify.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Creators hand over their copyrights to intermediaries all the time</i></p>
<p>Yes, but not without the satisfying-the-statute-of-frauds requirement of a writing.  Copyrights are not inadvertently transferable.</p>
<p>Fox could probably claim that it had an implied license to fix McCain&#8217;s words and use the fixation for its own purposes, but I still can&#8217;t see how it could possibly claim to have a copyright in them.  And without there being any, there&#8217;s no need to even reach the fair use argument at all since there can be no infringement for fair use to justify.</p>
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		<title>By: William McGeveran</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/infolaw/2007/10/26/fox-news-v-mccain-on-fair-use/comment-page-1/#comment-23199</link>
		<dc:creator>William McGeveran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 02:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cathy:

Thanks for the comment!  I&#039;m not sure if the fact that McCain is (mostly) showing footage of himself adds much to his legal fair use argument.

If he instead showed footage of an opponent in a debate as a way to attack what his opponent said, would and should the fair use argument be harder?  I don&#039;t think so.  The fair use claim should be strong either way.

Creators hand over their copyrights to intermediaries all the time -- publishers or record labels, for instance.  And we want to retain their capacity to do so.  Intermediaries that serve important purposes might understandably demand exclusivity as a condition because they need it to make a profit -- if you distribute your own work in competition with them, you cut into their profit.  (Of course, if you are not affecting the market, that might be a fair use under the statute).

Incidentally, I imagaine McCain&#039;s extemporaneous oral remarks might not have been fixed in advance and so he might not have &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; copyright in them (although some of his one-liners sure sounded pre-planned!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cathy:</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment!  I&#8217;m not sure if the fact that McCain is (mostly) showing footage of himself adds much to his legal fair use argument.</p>
<p>If he instead showed footage of an opponent in a debate as a way to attack what his opponent said, would and should the fair use argument be harder?  I don&#8217;t think so.  The fair use claim should be strong either way.</p>
<p>Creators hand over their copyrights to intermediaries all the time &#8212; publishers or record labels, for instance.  And we want to retain their capacity to do so.  Intermediaries that serve important purposes might understandably demand exclusivity as a condition because they need it to make a profit &#8212; if you distribute your own work in competition with them, you cut into their profit.  (Of course, if you are not affecting the market, that might be a fair use under the statute).</p>
<p>Incidentally, I imagaine McCain&#8217;s extemporaneous oral remarks might not have been fixed in advance and so he might not have <i>any</i> copyright in them (although some of his one-liners sure sounded pre-planned!).</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/infolaw/2007/10/26/fox-news-v-mccain-on-fair-use/comment-page-1/#comment-23059</link>
		<dc:creator>Cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If McCain is also showing clips of &lt;i&gt;himself&lt;/i&gt; speaking, does (or how much does) Fox actually have a copyright claim in it anyway?  After all, it seems like all the authorship would have been McCain&#039;s, with very little (if any) by Fox.  

In fact, because it was a public, political speech, what Fox recorded seems more akin to a vendor compiling a phonebook with public facts than a fixation of an expression of any particular originality on its part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If McCain is also showing clips of <i>himself</i> speaking, does (or how much does) Fox actually have a copyright claim in it anyway?  After all, it seems like all the authorship would have been McCain&#8217;s, with very little (if any) by Fox.  </p>
<p>In fact, because it was a public, political speech, what Fox recorded seems more akin to a vendor compiling a phonebook with public facts than a fixation of an expression of any particular originality on its part.</p>
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