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	<title>Comments on: Ninth Circuit Rules Roommates.com May Be Unlawful Host</title>
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		<title>By: Roommate Connection Fails To Make Safe Harbor Case, As Craigslist Did &#124; UsefulArts.us</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/infolaw/2008/04/03/ninth-circuit-rules-roommatescom-may-be-unlawful-host/comment-page-1/#comment-50757</link>
		<dc:creator>Roommate Connection Fails To Make Safe Harbor Case, As Craigslist Did &#124; UsefulArts.us</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] week the venerable Roommate Connection, also an online service, failed to make a similar case in the 9th Circuit. Unlike Craigslist, which provides comment fields in which writers may publish [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] week the venerable Roommate Connection, also an online service, failed to make a similar case in the 9th Circuit. Unlike Craigslist, which provides comment fields in which writers may publish [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris S</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/infolaw/2008/04/03/ninth-circuit-rules-roommatescom-may-be-unlawful-host/comment-page-1/#comment-50655</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 01:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that it could well be that the data that is solicited could create violations of other statutes such as FHA.  However, to my view, in that case its not the fact that the site shaped the data that causes the problem, rather it is the manner that the data was shaped. 

To me, this seems different than the 512(a) case, where, taken to an extreme, the manner in which the data is shaped is irrelevant, it is the mere act of shaping that takes the site out of the safe harbor.  I hate slippery slope arguments, the lazy intellectual&#039;s fallback, but in the end, any manner or selection or data entry ends up shaping the data to a degree.  If I place a textbox on a page, that indicates that the form of the data I am expecting is text.  Is that enough to take my site outside of the safe harbor?

However, from the another perspective, the text of the statute seems to indicate that it applies to &quot;online service providers&quot; and does that really just mean ISPs?  If the statute were worded &quot;internet service providers&quot;, I would have little quibble with the data shaping distinction.  You aren&#039;t really just an ISP if you are shaping the content of the data *cough* Comcast *cough*.  But, the phraseology &quot;online&quot; service providers was used, somewhat complicating the issue.

if what the safe harbor is really intended to protect is the mere carriers of data, rather than other types of online data services, it all makes sense.  However, I think that the statute is somewhat broader than that, and carried to an extreme would exempt virtually any site which solicits user data from the safe harbors.  

The real extreme is the Google example -- Google solicits user input to tailor its search results and advertising to the requested data.  This solicitation of text &quot;shapes&quot; what the user sees.  However, I would posit that these types of search sites were intended to be covered by the safe harbors, otherwise they really have little teeth except for honest to goodness mere providers of the actual network transmission media and associated services.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that it could well be that the data that is solicited could create violations of other statutes such as FHA.  However, to my view, in that case its not the fact that the site shaped the data that causes the problem, rather it is the manner that the data was shaped. </p>
<p>To me, this seems different than the 512(a) case, where, taken to an extreme, the manner in which the data is shaped is irrelevant, it is the mere act of shaping that takes the site out of the safe harbor.  I hate slippery slope arguments, the lazy intellectual&#8217;s fallback, but in the end, any manner or selection or data entry ends up shaping the data to a degree.  If I place a textbox on a page, that indicates that the form of the data I am expecting is text.  Is that enough to take my site outside of the safe harbor?</p>
<p>However, from the another perspective, the text of the statute seems to indicate that it applies to &#8220;online service providers&#8221; and does that really just mean ISPs?  If the statute were worded &#8220;internet service providers&#8221;, I would have little quibble with the data shaping distinction.  You aren&#8217;t really just an ISP if you are shaping the content of the data *cough* Comcast *cough*.  But, the phraseology &#8220;online&#8221; service providers was used, somewhat complicating the issue.</p>
<p>if what the safe harbor is really intended to protect is the mere carriers of data, rather than other types of online data services, it all makes sense.  However, I think that the statute is somewhat broader than that, and carried to an extreme would exempt virtually any site which solicits user data from the safe harbors.  </p>
<p>The real extreme is the Google example &#8212; Google solicits user input to tailor its search results and advertising to the requested data.  This solicitation of text &#8220;shapes&#8221; what the user sees.  However, I would posit that these types of search sites were intended to be covered by the safe harbors, otherwise they really have little teeth except for honest to goodness mere providers of the actual network transmission media and associated services.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Bambauer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/infolaw/2008/04/03/ninth-circuit-rules-roommatescom-may-be-unlawful-host/comment-page-1/#comment-50648</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Bambauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Chris - I think the opinion is a little odd from a coder&#039;s perspective, too. But my other thought is that the site is really shaping the informational content of the posts. If the site were to go one step further and induce people into creating content that violated the FHA (imagine, as an exercise, if the form had a drop-box that indicated which races of potential roommates would be acceptable), that would seem far different legally than a site with an open comments field that people used for the same purpose. This might possibly be analogous to 512(a) of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act: if you&#039;re just a carrier or host, and you don&#039;t shape or alter the content, then you&#039;re off the hook. What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Chris &#8211; I think the opinion is a little odd from a coder&#8217;s perspective, too. But my other thought is that the site is really shaping the informational content of the posts. If the site were to go one step further and induce people into creating content that violated the FHA (imagine, as an exercise, if the form had a drop-box that indicated which races of potential roommates would be acceptable), that would seem far different legally than a site with an open comments field that people used for the same purpose. This might possibly be analogous to 512(a) of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act: if you&#8217;re just a carrier or host, and you don&#8217;t shape or alter the content, then you&#8217;re off the hook. What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Roommates.com Decision &#124; The California Blog of Appeal</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/infolaw/2008/04/03/ninth-circuit-rules-roommatescom-may-be-unlawful-host/comment-page-1/#comment-50632</link>
		<dc:creator>Roommates.com Decision &#124; The California Blog of Appeal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 09:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] check out Law.com, ABA Journal, Decision of the Day, and Info/Law in addition to the Volokh and Professor Goldman links I posted [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] check out&nbsp;<a href="http://Law.com" title="http://Law. " target="_blank">Law.com</a>, ABA Journal, Decision of the Day, and Info/Law in addition to the Volokh and Professor Goldman links I posted [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lex Ferenda &#187; Got a room?</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/infolaw/2008/04/03/ninth-circuit-rules-roommatescom-may-be-unlawful-host/comment-page-1/#comment-50467</link>
		<dc:creator>Lex Ferenda &#187; Got a room?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 22:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Volokh &#124; Online Liability Blog &#124; Internet Cases &#124; Susan Crawford &#124; Eric Goldman &#124; Wired &#124; Info/Law. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chris S</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/infolaw/2008/04/03/ninth-circuit-rules-roommatescom-may-be-unlawful-host/comment-page-1/#comment-50453</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a current coder, interpretations like this really get under my skin.  Can you really say that you are less of a &quot;content provider&quot; because the choices provided are not unitary?  What about a multi-select dropdown?  I mean really...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a current coder, interpretations like this really get under my skin.  Can you really say that you are less of a &#8220;content provider&#8221; because the choices provided are not unitary?  What about a multi-select dropdown?  I mean really&#8230;</p>
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