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	<title>Comments on: Fear of Death</title>
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	<description>a meaningless discussion of nothingness</description>
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		<title>By: Shane Micael Davey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/lipscy/2005/03/08/fear-of-death/comment-page-1/#comment-909</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane Micael Davey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 04:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m coming 21 in a few months and it wasn&#039;t until this time last year i ever gave the issue any daily thought.  My grandfather took a stroke, and my family and I were told if he were to make it through he would be left disabled.  Two days later he died, everyone went home to get changed and wash and I was on the one in the hospital room when it happened.  He died holding my hand, and its something I never want to experience again.  

Since that day happened last year I have been thinking about death ever since.  I have the romantic view that i hope I&#039;ll die when I&#039;m old and with my family etc, but that just isn&#039;t the reality no matter how much I wish or hope.  It could happen any time like the flash of a light and I&#039;m never going to be ready for it.

To the question;, I would rather have not existed.  That way I don&#039;t get to be disappointed when this wonderful thing called life ends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m coming 21 in a few months and it wasn&#8217;t until this time last year i ever gave the issue any daily thought.  My grandfather took a stroke, and my family and I were told if he were to make it through he would be left disabled.  Two days later he died, everyone went home to get changed and wash and I was on the one in the hospital room when it happened.  He died holding my hand, and its something I never want to experience again.  </p>
<p>Since that day happened last year I have been thinking about death ever since.  I have the romantic view that i hope I&#8217;ll die when I&#8217;m old and with my family etc, but that just isn&#8217;t the reality no matter how much I wish or hope.  It could happen any time like the flash of a light and I&#8217;m never going to be ready for it.</p>
<p>To the question;, I would rather have not existed.  That way I don&#8217;t get to be disappointed when this wonderful thing called life ends.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/lipscy/2005/03/08/fear-of-death/comment-page-1/#comment-907</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a meaningless statement to make a proposition about something you do not have an experience attached too. Anything that does not have an experience tied to it is absolutely and purely subjective and meaningless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a meaningless statement to make a proposition about something you do not have an experience attached too. Anything that does not have an experience tied to it is absolutely and purely subjective and meaningless.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/lipscy/2005/03/08/fear-of-death/comment-page-1/#comment-903</link>
		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 06:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello from Argentina, everyone!

I am not at all afraid of ceasing to exist. And I&#039;m also glad to find that that seems to be a rational attitude to adopt (as per the Epicurean argument, which I had reasoned out for myself even before reading about it). Perhaps I was at some point in my childhood, but it is even difficult to recollect that feeling clearly. It does not make sense to me now.

But there remains a fear strictly of death, besides the pain and decay issue, and such fear is due to the fact that death shortens the time I have to do and live many things I want to do and live. If that time is a long way away, it doesn&#039;t worry me much. But if someone informed me that I had only a few hours left, I could not live those hours just as if I hadn&#039;t been told.

It&#039;s not what might happen after life that worries me, but rather, what might not happen before.

And one never has enough time. How much is enough? That&#039;s what life&#039;s training has to be all about. Knowing that time is running out is what fuels me in my endeavours. I am a musician, and the fear of playing badly makes me study harder before the concert. Likewise, the fear of death must make us undertake whatever it is that has meaning for us right now in the present with our full being. And also, contemplating ourselves to the outmost (our posture, our breathing) can make us forget ourselves. When I forget myself there is no one to do de fearing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello from Argentina, everyone!</p>
<p>I am not at all afraid of ceasing to exist. And I&#8217;m also glad to find that that seems to be a rational attitude to adopt (as per the Epicurean argument, which I had reasoned out for myself even before reading about it). Perhaps I was at some point in my childhood, but it is even difficult to recollect that feeling clearly. It does not make sense to me now.</p>
<p>But there remains a fear strictly of death, besides the pain and decay issue, and such fear is due to the fact that death shortens the time I have to do and live many things I want to do and live. If that time is a long way away, it doesn&#8217;t worry me much. But if someone informed me that I had only a few hours left, I could not live those hours just as if I hadn&#8217;t been told.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not what might happen after life that worries me, but rather, what might not happen before.</p>
<p>And one never has enough time. How much is enough? That&#8217;s what life&#8217;s training has to be all about. Knowing that time is running out is what fuels me in my endeavours. I am a musician, and the fear of playing badly makes me study harder before the concert. Likewise, the fear of death must make us undertake whatever it is that has meaning for us right now in the present with our full being. And also, contemplating ourselves to the outmost (our posture, our breathing) can make us forget ourselves. When I forget myself there is no one to do de fearing.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/lipscy/2005/03/08/fear-of-death/comment-page-1/#comment-888</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 03:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*raises hand* I&#039;m another up-late-at-night, panic-stricken-at-the-thought-of-nonexistence person. I don&#039;t want to feel this way, and I try to consider it rationally, but this sickening sort of terror just kicks in whenever I start thinking about not existing any longer. I can&#039;t stop thinking about it, and it scares the, um, life out of me. I would like to believe that my consciousness will stay intact after my body dies, but I really don&#039;t think I do believe that. Honestly, I&#039;m so unbelievably scared not to BE. All the memories and experiences and thoughts and emotions that (I feel) make me who I am, just ... gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*raises hand* I&#8217;m another up-late-at-night, panic-stricken-at-the-thought-of-nonexistence person. I don&#8217;t want to feel this way, and I try to consider it rationally, but this sickening sort of terror just kicks in whenever I start thinking about not existing any longer. I can&#8217;t stop thinking about it, and it scares the, um, life out of me. I would like to believe that my consciousness will stay intact after my body dies, but I really don&#8217;t think I do believe that. Honestly, I&#8217;m so unbelievably scared not to BE. All the memories and experiences and thoughts and emotions that (I feel) make me who I am, just &#8230; gone.</p>
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		<title>By: simon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/lipscy/2005/03/08/fear-of-death/comment-page-1/#comment-874</link>
		<dc:creator>simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If one looks at the concept of identity what does one find? This being both a universal and topical subject with many &#039;experts&#039; and commentators chipping in. One suggestion premised on DID (lDisassociated Identity Disorder) premises that we have no identity (not born with one anyway) and therefore we are a blank canvas - following on from the observation that like the universe we come from nothing. What we adopt (I know, there is always the nature/nurture argument) in our lives becomes the lables that then make up our identities into which we slip into creatures of habit holding on metaphorically (though more often literally) to our sense of &#039;value/s&#039; and ego until we are tipped over into the &#039;void&#039; back into nothingness...I should say that this is me just conjecturing. And then again, what thoughts on the &quot;law of attraction&quot; as it relates to the living and therefore to the binary opposite: death?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If one looks at the concept of identity what does one find? This being both a universal and topical subject with many &#8216;experts&#8217; and commentators chipping in. One suggestion premised on DID (lDisassociated Identity Disorder) premises that we have no identity (not born with one anyway) and therefore we are a blank canvas &#8211; following on from the observation that like the universe we come from nothing. What we adopt (I know, there is always the nature/nurture argument) in our lives becomes the lables that then make up our identities into which we slip into creatures of habit holding on metaphorically (though more often literally) to our sense of &#8216;value/s&#8217; and ego until we are tipped over into the &#8216;void&#8217; back into nothingness&#8230;I should say that this is me just conjecturing. And then again, what thoughts on the &#8220;law of attraction&#8221; as it relates to the living and therefore to the binary opposite: death?</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/lipscy/2005/03/08/fear-of-death/comment-page-1/#comment-854</link>
		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never thought about death, not seriously anyway, until this year.  I&#039;m 29.  Life seemed to move so slowly until I was about 21 so I figured death was something I&#039;d never have to think about.  Then I blinked and I was 29.  

I too have a fear of non-existence.  I like living.  I want to live forever, to keep waking up every morning and enjoying my mundane life because it&#039;s what I know, it&#039;s comfortable, and feels good.  I don&#039;t want to cease to be.  I don&#039;t have a hard life, I live well, I own a successful company, and I don&#039;t have anyone to answer to.  I can travel when and where I want to, and I love my family and my dogs. Who would want to leave that?

Yes of course I consider that there may be a higher power (since it seems impossible that all that we know, life, the DNA programming of living things, just sprang up at random without some kind of guiding power), but how do I know that the higher power wishes to preserve my consciousness beyond my death?  Maybe that&#039;s just not its priority?

The ONLY comfort I came up with is the thought that I didn&#039;t exist before I was born - before I was born, I was non-existent for billions and billions of years until one day I existed for 29+ years - a mere teeny snapshot of time, then went back to the state I was in for many more billions of years.  In fact if I cease to be again, then I will be unaware of the passage of time so in essence, time itself and all life and the universe will essentially end the moment I die, as far as I&#039;m aware.

That, and the thinking that death must be like a deep sleep and as stated above, deep sleep isn&#039;t scary but the thought of never waking up, is.

I do think that death is something we can prevent.  Our bodies are machines, and we are intelligent beings developing technology at a feverish pace.  We already know that aging is a disease, and we are eradicating illnesses and medical conditions daily.  We even know how to freeze people&#039;s brains until such time as technology can repair the brain and give that person a cloned body from their DNA.  I have to admit, the freezing idea sounds good to me, though if it did work, it would be freaky to wake up to a radically different world.

I don&#039;t know if I will ever accept death.  I don&#039;t accept death when those I love die.  I rebel against it and get angry at it.  It&#039;s the one thing I have no control of and can&#039;t seem to stop.  I wish I could accept it and have peace with it but something in me makes me want to fight it with every ounce of strength.  Surely then, since we&#039;re biologically programmed to hang on to life, life must be better than non-existence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never thought about death, not seriously anyway, until this year.  I&#8217;m 29.  Life seemed to move so slowly until I was about 21 so I figured death was something I&#8217;d never have to think about.  Then I blinked and I was 29.  </p>
<p>I too have a fear of non-existence.  I like living.  I want to live forever, to keep waking up every morning and enjoying my mundane life because it&#8217;s what I know, it&#8217;s comfortable, and feels good.  I don&#8217;t want to cease to be.  I don&#8217;t have a hard life, I live well, I own a successful company, and I don&#8217;t have anyone to answer to.  I can travel when and where I want to, and I love my family and my dogs. Who would want to leave that?</p>
<p>Yes of course I consider that there may be a higher power (since it seems impossible that all that we know, life, the DNA programming of living things, just sprang up at random without some kind of guiding power), but how do I know that the higher power wishes to preserve my consciousness beyond my death?  Maybe that&#8217;s just not its priority?</p>
<p>The ONLY comfort I came up with is the thought that I didn&#8217;t exist before I was born &#8211; before I was born, I was non-existent for billions and billions of years until one day I existed for 29+ years &#8211; a mere teeny snapshot of time, then went back to the state I was in for many more billions of years.  In fact if I cease to be again, then I will be unaware of the passage of time so in essence, time itself and all life and the universe will essentially end the moment I die, as far as I&#8217;m aware.</p>
<p>That, and the thinking that death must be like a deep sleep and as stated above, deep sleep isn&#8217;t scary but the thought of never waking up, is.</p>
<p>I do think that death is something we can prevent.  Our bodies are machines, and we are intelligent beings developing technology at a feverish pace.  We already know that aging is a disease, and we are eradicating illnesses and medical conditions daily.  We even know how to freeze people&#8217;s brains until such time as technology can repair the brain and give that person a cloned body from their DNA.  I have to admit, the freezing idea sounds good to me, though if it did work, it would be freaky to wake up to a radically different world.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if I will ever accept death.  I don&#8217;t accept death when those I love die.  I rebel against it and get angry at it.  It&#8217;s the one thing I have no control of and can&#8217;t seem to stop.  I wish I could accept it and have peace with it but something in me makes me want to fight it with every ounce of strength.  Surely then, since we&#8217;re biologically programmed to hang on to life, life must be better than non-existence.</p>
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		<title>By: antonio</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/lipscy/2005/03/08/fear-of-death/comment-page-1/#comment-833</link>
		<dc:creator>antonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don´t think there´s any argument that can ease the fear of death, unless one wants to fool himself. The (perhaps) well-intentioned people who propose us to celebrate the joy of life, or to take refuge in a life-after-death expectation use a human logic adequated only to daily matters. Humans, for some strange reason, think they must have some afterlife, and deny the animals the same fate (remember the thousands of chickens that are &quot;sacrificed&quot; every day; will they survive bodily death?). Of course, there is hypnosis, and drugs we can take to blur this feeling. I don´t want to follow this course; I´d feel I was being brainwashed.Do you fear death, and have fits of panic when you think about it? So do I. Let´s shake hands, my friend, and accept the fact that there´s no way out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don´t think there´s any argument that can ease the fear of death, unless one wants to fool himself. The (perhaps) well-intentioned people who propose us to celebrate the joy of life, or to take refuge in a life-after-death expectation use a human logic adequated only to daily matters. Humans, for some strange reason, think they must have some afterlife, and deny the animals the same fate (remember the thousands of chickens that are &#8220;sacrificed&#8221; every day; will they survive bodily death?). Of course, there is hypnosis, and drugs we can take to blur this feeling. I don´t want to follow this course; I´d feel I was being brainwashed.Do you fear death, and have fits of panic when you think about it? So do I. Let´s shake hands, my friend, and accept the fact that there´s no way out.</p>
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		<title>By: TANUSHREE BISWAS</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/lipscy/2005/03/08/fear-of-death/comment-page-1/#comment-823</link>
		<dc:creator>TANUSHREE BISWAS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just to reconsider the value of non-existence. Isnt the non-being of tommorow in terms of our posiibilities, a force of motivation. Isnt it that it is the void in our being, the source of desire and aversion. Doesnt non-existent influence our actions more than what is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just to reconsider the value of non-existence. Isnt the non-being of tommorow in terms of our posiibilities, a force of motivation. Isnt it that it is the void in our being, the source of desire and aversion. Doesnt non-existent influence our actions more than what is?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/lipscy/2005/03/08/fear-of-death/comment-page-1/#comment-820</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh.  The fear of death.  It will keep you up at night.  That&#039;s for sure.  No way around that.  

This is a wonderful thread.  I&#039;ve really enjoyed reading all the different thoughts and comments that people have posted.

Do we put more value on existence?  Sure.  Because we exist.  This makes sense.  If we didn&#039;t exist, it&#039;d be hard for us to place any value on anything.

But the value of non-existence is real, as noted above.  The universe, to the best of our knowledge, arose out of nothing.  So too do we.  The empty glass analogy, I liked.  Very nice.

One of the things I&#039;ve always been interested in is the reason why we are aware of our deaths.  is this just a by-product of our evolutionary process, through which we became self aware?  Or, does it serve an evolutionary function in and of itself, helping those who are aware that death is out there make sure they accomplish things (like passing on their DNA) while they&#039;re alive?  

My hunch is the former is true.  But I&#039;d love to hear other thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh.  The fear of death.  It will keep you up at night.  That&#8217;s for sure.  No way around that.  </p>
<p>This is a wonderful thread.  I&#8217;ve really enjoyed reading all the different thoughts and comments that people have posted.</p>
<p>Do we put more value on existence?  Sure.  Because we exist.  This makes sense.  If we didn&#8217;t exist, it&#8217;d be hard for us to place any value on anything.</p>
<p>But the value of non-existence is real, as noted above.  The universe, to the best of our knowledge, arose out of nothing.  So too do we.  The empty glass analogy, I liked.  Very nice.</p>
<p>One of the things I&#8217;ve always been interested in is the reason why we are aware of our deaths.  is this just a by-product of our evolutionary process, through which we became self aware?  Or, does it serve an evolutionary function in and of itself, helping those who are aware that death is out there make sure they accomplish things (like passing on their DNA) while they&#8217;re alive?  </p>
<p>My hunch is the former is true.  But I&#8217;d love to hear other thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/lipscy/2005/03/08/fear-of-death/comment-page-1/#comment-800</link>
		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 15:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been feeling the same way lately too. I&#039;ve never seemed to think about death too much. I knew it would happen to me but I felt comfortable that when it did it would simply be that my time was up and that I would then go to that better place. I grew up Catholic and was given the belief at an early age that there is an after-life. Just recently for some reason, I&#039;ve been strongly questioning my religion as well as whether or not there exists an after-life. This may be why my fear of death has grown just recently. I no longer believe that there may be a continued existance of my conciousness, or my soul. I desperately want to believe that there will be, but for some reason having to question it often keeps me up late at night in utter terror for what will happen to my mind and soul and thought process for when I die. The fear comes from more than just the physical discomfort that may exist, but the loss and effect of my mentality and soul for when I die. Does anyone else feel this way?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been feeling the same way lately too. I&#8217;ve never seemed to think about death too much. I knew it would happen to me but I felt comfortable that when it did it would simply be that my time was up and that I would then go to that better place. I grew up Catholic and was given the belief at an early age that there is an after-life. Just recently for some reason, I&#8217;ve been strongly questioning my religion as well as whether or not there exists an after-life. This may be why my fear of death has grown just recently. I no longer believe that there may be a continued existance of my conciousness, or my soul. I desperately want to believe that there will be, but for some reason having to question it often keeps me up late at night in utter terror for what will happen to my mind and soul and thought process for when I die. The fear comes from more than just the physical discomfort that may exist, but the loss and effect of my mentality and soul for when I die. Does anyone else feel this way?</p>
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