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		<title>By: Mortgage Loan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/palfrey/2003/04/05/over-reaching/comment-page-1/#comment-195</link>
		<dc:creator>Mortgage Loan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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I found your page from google but i like it so much</description>
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<p>I found your page from google but i like it so much</p>
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		<title>By: Gergana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gergana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2005 18:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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Your blog is very interesint</description>
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<p>Your blog is very interesint</p>
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		<title>By: Jean-Luc Delatre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean-Luc Delatre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2003 07:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;


 &lt;i&gt; &quot;the process of thinking is in place&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
When I say thinking is not easy, I do not only mean that the problems tackled can be tricky, but also that
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dennis.floripa.com.br/Chap4.htm&quot;&gt;
thinking&lt;/a&gt; can go wrong due to
unconscious agenda and false premises or presuppositions (see
&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.oikos.org/m&amp;nschoolboy.htm&#039;&gt;
Bateson&lt;/a&gt; about those words).</description>
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<p> <i> &#8220;the process of thinking is in place&#8221;</i><br />
When I say thinking is not easy, I do not only mean that the problems tackled can be tricky, but also that<br />
<a href="http://www.dennis.floripa.com.br/Chap4.htm"><br />
thinking</a> can go wrong due to<br />
unconscious agenda and false premises or presuppositions (see<br />
<a href='http://www.oikos.org/m&amp;nschoolboy.htm'><br />
Bateson</a> about those words).</p>
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		<title>By: John Palfrey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/palfrey/2003/04/05/over-reaching/comment-page-1/#comment-231</link>
		<dc:creator>John Palfrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2003 15:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Jean-Luc: Thinking certainly is good.  Given that we&#039;re writing from a Think Tank, I figure that &quot;not thinking about it&quot; is one critique that can&#039;t effectively be levelled against us.  You may well disagree with where we come out, but the process of thinking is in place. -JP</description>
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<p>Jean-Luc: Thinking certainly is good.  Given that we&#8217;re writing from a Think Tank, I figure that &#8220;not thinking about it&#8221; is one critique that can&#8217;t effectively be levelled against us.  You may well disagree with where we come out, but the process of thinking is in place. -JP</p>
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		<title>By: Jean-Luc Delatre</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/palfrey/2003/04/05/over-reaching/comment-page-1/#comment-230</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean-Luc Delatre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2003 07:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Please get REAL.
  &lt;i&gt; &quot;We are not out-gunned or disadvantages by money&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Yes you are&lt;/b&gt;, in the end, after everything else has been weighted in,
	it&#039;s &lt;b&gt;money&lt;/b&gt; that makes the difference.
See Bill Moyers on American  politics in Salon :
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/04/07/moyers/print.html&quot;&gt;
The money people primarily determine who runs and wins in both
parties.&lt;/a&gt;
Money is power.
Oh! It&#039;s sooo nasty, let&#039;s forget about it, dream of
a Wonderful World and go for the Second Superpower.
Bollocks!
The power of money cannot be dismissed and the rule changed, because
it is &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; a rule!
I mean, nobody choose, define or enforce the power of money. It is
only the &lt;b&gt;residue&lt;/b&gt; which is left when everything else has been
wiped out in human communication. Just like the Dutch selling cannons
to the Spaniards they were at war with in the 16th century. Does not
this remind you of some more recent events :-(
Therefore it is utterly 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://laetusinpraesens.org/guests/stupid.php&quot;&gt;stupid&lt;/a&gt;
to willingly decrease one&#039;s own monetary value in the hope that
it will &quot;magically&quot; bring &quot;brotherhood&quot; among the whole of
humanity.
It will on the contrary bring
&lt;a
href=&quot;http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/low_res/story.jsp?story=390625&amp;host=5&amp;dir=207&quot;&gt;dominion
of the dumb&lt;/a&gt;, the dark side of 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/s/q105424.html&quot;&gt;democracy&lt;/a&gt;.
This is not to say that the exact opposite, the Enron like greed is of
any good either.
&lt;b&gt;Neither&lt;/b&gt; the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html&quot;&gt;GPL&lt;/a&gt; nor the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.educause.edu/issues/dmca.html&quot;&gt;DMCA&lt;/a&gt; are the way to go!
And, &lt;b&gt;YES of course&lt;/b&gt; John Palfrey, it&#039;s all about education.
But education allied to simplistic wishfull thinking will do more harm
than good, because, as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mencken.org/&quot;&gt;Henry Louis
Mencken&lt;/a&gt; remarked:&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;tt&gt;
&quot;For every complex problem there is an answer that
is clear, simple, and wrong.&quot;&lt;/tt&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
So, when calling for &quot;balance between open and proprietary&quot;, do not
assume that only the campaign for balance can be problematic and that
&quot;networking&quot; and &quot;mycelia of the blogspace&quot; are putting us in a better
position.
&lt;b&gt;THINKING&lt;/b&gt; has to come before, and not an easy one at that!</description>
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<p>Please get REAL.<br />
  <i> &#8220;We are not out-gunned or disadvantages by money&#8221;</i><br />
<b>Yes you are</b>, in the end, after everything else has been weighted in,<br />
	it&#8217;s <b>money</b> that makes the difference.<br />
See Bill Moyers on American  politics in Salon :<br />
<a href="http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/04/07/moyers/print.html"><br />
The money people primarily determine who runs and wins in both<br />
parties.</a><br />
Money is power.<br />
Oh! It&#8217;s sooo nasty, let&#8217;s forget about it, dream of<br />
a Wonderful World and go for the Second Superpower.<br />
Bollocks!<br />
The power of money cannot be dismissed and the rule changed, because<br />
it is <b>not</b> a rule!<br />
I mean, nobody choose, define or enforce the power of money. It is<br />
only the <b>residue</b> which is left when everything else has been<br />
wiped out in human communication. Just like the Dutch selling cannons<br />
to the Spaniards they were at war with in the 16th century. Does not<br />
this remind you of some more recent events <img src='http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/palfrey/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Therefore it is utterly<br />
<a href="http://laetusinpraesens.org/guests/stupid.php">stupid</a><br />
to willingly decrease one&#8217;s own monetary value in the hope that<br />
it will &#8220;magically&#8221; bring &#8220;brotherhood&#8221; among the whole of<br />
humanity.<br />
It will on the contrary bring<br />
&lt;a<br />
href=&#8221;http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/low_res/story.jsp?story=390625&amp;host=5&amp;dir=207&#8243;&gt;dominion<br />
of the dumb, the dark side of<br />
<a href="http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/s/q105424.html">democracy</a>.<br />
This is not to say that the exact opposite, the Enron like greed is of<br />
any good either.<br />
<b>Neither</b> the <a href="http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html">GPL</a> nor the <a href="http://www.educause.edu/issues/dmca.html">DMCA</a> are the way to go!<br />
And, <b>YES of course</b> John Palfrey, it&#8217;s all about education.<br />
But education allied to simplistic wishfull thinking will do more harm<br />
than good, because, as <a href="http://www.mencken.org/">Henry Louis<br />
Mencken</a> remarked:<br />
<blockquote>&lt;tt&gt;<br />
&#8220;For every complex problem there is an answer that<br />
is clear, simple, and wrong.&#8221;&lt;/tt&gt;</p></blockquote>
<p>So, when calling for &#8220;balance between open and proprietary&#8221;, do not<br />
assume that only the campaign for balance can be problematic and that<br />
&#8220;networking&#8221; and &#8220;mycelia of the blogspace&#8221; are putting us in a better<br />
position.<br />
<b>THINKING</b> has to come before, and not an easy one at that!</p>
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		<title>By: John Palfrey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/palfrey/2003/04/05/over-reaching/comment-page-1/#comment-229</link>
		<dc:creator>John Palfrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2003 16:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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Very definitely agreed on the Capabilities Gap/education point.  Maybe I&#039;ve screwed it up but I thought I had set up an RSS feed?  -JP</description>
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<p>Very definitely agreed on the Capabilities Gap/education point.  Maybe I&#8217;ve screwed it up but I thought I had set up an RSS feed?  -JP</p>
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		<title>By: mrG</title>
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		<dc:creator>mrG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2003 05:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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We are not out-gunned or disadvantages by money, but we are &lt;em&gt;perhaps&lt;/em&gt; underspending and ignoring our own capabilities.  Consider the way international peace activists were able to move the Day of Protect back two weeks: How was that possible with no central office??

It was possible because it was not done on the scale of Washington DC, not on the scale of the USA, it was orchestrated in the domain space of the Second Superpower, ie, those of us who are networked 

see http://www.teledyn.com/mt/archives/000728.html

There is education which needs to happen to close the Capabilities Gap so that all citizens of Joi Ito&#039;s emergent democratic force can read the news of their nation -- for example, this blog does not provide an RSS feed, so how do you expect the world to pick up on what you write as you write it?  (see http://www.teledyn.com/node.php?id=303)

The first step is the networking, and from there the action plans can overturn any interim precidents if need be, but networking is not just keeping a blog rolodex, it&#039;s the active under-the-hood mycelia of the blogspace. If viral-marketing of ideas by word-of-mouth alone were useful, of writers were made famous by the strength of their craft and thinking alone, many great artists would not have died penniless, and we would not be having this conversation.</description>
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<p>We are not out-gunned or disadvantages by money, but we are <em>perhaps</em> underspending and ignoring our own capabilities.  Consider the way international peace activists were able to move the Day of Protect back two weeks: How was that possible with no central office??</p>
<p>It was possible because it was not done on the scale of Washington DC, not on the scale of the USA, it was orchestrated in the domain space of the Second Superpower, ie, those of us who are networked </p>
<p>see <a href="http://www.teledyn.com/mt/archives/000728.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.teledyn.com/mt/archives/000728.html</a></p>
<p>There is education which needs to happen to close the Capabilities Gap so that all citizens of Joi Ito&#8217;s emergent democratic force can read the news of their nation &#8212; for example, this blog does not provide an RSS feed, so how do you expect the world to pick up on what you write as you write it?  (see <a href="http://www.teledyn.com/node.php?id=303)" rel="nofollow">http://www.teledyn.com/node.php?id=303)</a></p>
<p>The first step is the networking, and from there the action plans can overturn any interim precidents if need be, but networking is not just keeping a blog rolodex, it&#8217;s the active under-the-hood mycelia of the blogspace. If viral-marketing of ideas by word-of-mouth alone were useful, of writers were made famous by the strength of their craft and thinking alone, many great artists would not have died penniless, and we would not be having this conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean-Luc Delatre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean-Luc Delatre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2003 05:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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Pheew!&lt;i&gt;We are out-gunned, mostly because the legislative process is rigged in favor of those with money.&lt;/i&gt;Oh, Yeah! but money is BAAAAD (Stallman dixit).Sure it&#039;s bad when you don&#039;t have any for the lawyers fees.&lt;i&gt;We need to figure out how to get out in front and  start the pendulum swinging the other way, back toward a true balance  between open and proprietary.&lt;/i&gt;Does &quot;balanced&quot; means that having both the GPL and Microsoft will make an average?Or that &lt;b&gt;sensible&lt;/b&gt; licensing  schemes should be sought?The extremist positions advocated by Lessig and als may very well bring about what they fear most (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html&quot;&gt;The Right to Read&lt;/a&gt;), how nice, they were right!That reminds of the 1936 Spanish civil war where diehard marxists managed to screw the anarchists only to have them BOTH ultimately f***ed up by the fascists!Great, keep going this way &quot;free software&quot; freaks.&lt;i&gt;(also, WTF is this loosy commenting interface with &lt;b&gt;neither&lt;/b&gt; a preview &lt;b&gt;nor&lt;/b&gt; a post-edit?)&lt;/i&gt;</description>
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<p>Pheew!<i>We are out-gunned, mostly because the legislative process is rigged in favor of those with money.</i>Oh, Yeah! but money is BAAAAD (Stallman dixit).Sure it&#8217;s bad when you don&#8217;t have any for the lawyers fees.<i>We need to figure out how to get out in front and  start the pendulum swinging the other way, back toward a true balance  between open and proprietary.</i>Does &#8220;balanced&#8221; means that having both the GPL and Microsoft will make an average?Or that <b>sensible</b> licensing  schemes should be sought?The extremist positions advocated by Lessig and als may very well bring about what they fear most (<a href="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html">The Right to Read</a>), how nice, they were right!That reminds of the 1936 Spanish civil war where diehard marxists managed to screw the anarchists only to have them BOTH ultimately f***ed up by the fascists!Great, keep going this way &#8220;free software&#8221; freaks.<i>(also, WTF is this loosy commenting interface with <b>neither</b> a preview <b>nor</b> a post-edit?)</i></p>
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