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Can we all just agree that both Mr Bush and Mr Husein are of poor moral character and be done with?

I think Iraq under the USA occupation is shaping up much worse than under Husein, and could easily become another Afghanistan. The idea that evil should always be fought is simply stupid. People often say that you can’t measure suffering and death, but there’s an obvious unit of measurement that is pretty damn good – a single human life. And by this measure, invasion of Iraq is also simply stupid, the act of a madman who has difficulty in dealing with objective reality. There are worse places in the world that could be invaded, and even more direct threats (eg North Korea), and by the obvious unit of measurement it would be far better to spend $100 billion dollars on vaccines, food aid, education, etc anyway.

Saddam Husein, while engaging in the usual disgusting habits of a monarch, had also put together a state that was above par for the Middle East — good seperation of church and state, women high up in the government, the violent fringe groups pretty much under control. His nominated successor was the better and saner of his two sons. He would compare favourably with some of the kings that, say, England has had in its past.

He is also obviously not a stupid man, unlike Bush. One has to wonder if the current problems the USA is experiencing in Iraq were planned, i.e. that he realized that conventional warfare would be futile and always planned on fighting a guerilla war.

I think what upsets me the most at the moment is that USA citizens don’t seem to care that the reason for war (WMD) turned out to be a lie. As long as they keep treating the world like some Hollywood movie, we’re all going straight to hell. Ignorance is no excuse, nor wishful thinking. In the end, objective reality can’t be denied.

> sending care packages to help out Iraqis who are without reliable clean water and electricity.
> breaking into water mains, thus wrecking the water system

Access to water is a fundamental human right and need.

Phil makes a good point: protecting your territorial integrity from ‘traitors’ and ’secessionists’ is what you’d expect from a strong leader…

(did you lot not fight a civil war ’bout that?)

and when Saddam took to chemical extremes, your USA government was right behind him… ‘our Sunni man in Baghdad’…

To be a rogue, you must once, by definition, have belonged…

judgement will be forthcoming, but perhaps not in our lifetimes!