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		<title>By: Daniela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2005 12:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mila</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: geel</title>
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		<dc:creator>geel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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gates is stil doing a good money on our career ,
we are the pigs , and hus the big wulf that want always to  take control of all .</description>
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<p>gates is stil doing a good money on our career ,<br />
we are the pigs , and hus the big wulf that want always to  take control of all .</p>
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		<title>By: gondar k</title>
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		<dc:creator>gondar k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2004 21:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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yep</description>
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<p>yep</p>
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		<title>By: gondar k</title>
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		<dc:creator>gondar k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2004 21:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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i do agree for that reson</description>
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<p>i do agree for that reson</p>
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		<title>By: Owen Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Owen Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Outsourcing will be ended by three things:

1. Trade tarriffs.
2. Currency instability.
3. Hubbert Peak.

Unfortunately, these things will also end a lot more than just outsourcing. In time, you may wish outsourcing was all that you had to deal with.

The dollar has fallen some 30%, and it still has a ways to go. At some point, foreigners won&#039;t look as attractive as they do now. Even so, that&#039;s not the real issue with Big Company management. It&#039;s all about using foreigners as a club to beat the domestic labor market over the head, so that it&#039;ll sit, fetch, roll over, play dead. Putting them pasty geeks back in their place.

Trade tarriffs haven&#039;t happened yet, but if you scan the news stories, it&#039;s just a matter of time, before they do.

And honestly, it&#039;s not the furriners at fault here, but the Bubble, mismanagement, malinvestment, and the Little People paying for the mistakes the Big People made. These jobs didn&#039;t go overseas, they just vanished. The economic recovery that the news keeps touting, is nothing more than cooked numbers. Your government is lying to you. Film at 11.

All of this is unimportant. The Hubbert Peak is upon us, and who cares whether your job is oursourced, when there&#039;s no electricity in your tent camp, and the bicycle you managed to hold onto from your bankruptcy and divorce is the only way you can get around, other than walking. Maybe the diesel trucks that brought by food last week will be by again, but even diesel supplies are getting tight. Rumors abound. A man on horses rides by in the distance - you look at him enviously. Unfortunately, he&#039;s armed, or you and your buddies might try stealing it from him.

You hear there&#039;s food to be had out in the country, and you think maybe you can reach one of the farming towns on your bike in a day. However, you have nothing to trade for food, and you hear the farmers have banded together to keep the city people away. The farmers have stopped accepting dollars as payment, because they are worthless, and are now demanding either payment in kind, or gold coins. Not that there&#039;s that much farming going on anymore - the factory farms are all shut down, from the gasoline shortages and most have gone bankrupt.</description>
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<p>Outsourcing will be ended by three things:</p>
<p>1. Trade tarriffs.<br />
2. Currency instability.<br />
3. Hubbert Peak.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, these things will also end a lot more than just outsourcing. In time, you may wish outsourcing was all that you had to deal with.</p>
<p>The dollar has fallen some 30%, and it still has a ways to go. At some point, foreigners won&#8217;t look as attractive as they do now. Even so, that&#8217;s not the real issue with Big Company management. It&#8217;s all about using foreigners as a club to beat the domestic labor market over the head, so that it&#8217;ll sit, fetch, roll over, play dead. Putting them pasty geeks back in their place.</p>
<p>Trade tarriffs haven&#8217;t happened yet, but if you scan the news stories, it&#8217;s just a matter of time, before they do.</p>
<p>And honestly, it&#8217;s not the furriners at fault here, but the Bubble, mismanagement, malinvestment, and the Little People paying for the mistakes the Big People made. These jobs didn&#8217;t go overseas, they just vanished. The economic recovery that the news keeps touting, is nothing more than cooked numbers. Your government is lying to you. Film at 11.</p>
<p>All of this is unimportant. The Hubbert Peak is upon us, and who cares whether your job is oursourced, when there&#8217;s no electricity in your tent camp, and the bicycle you managed to hold onto from your bankruptcy and divorce is the only way you can get around, other than walking. Maybe the diesel trucks that brought by food last week will be by again, but even diesel supplies are getting tight. Rumors abound. A man on horses rides by in the distance &#8211; you look at him enviously. Unfortunately, he&#8217;s armed, or you and your buddies might try stealing it from him.</p>
<p>You hear there&#8217;s food to be had out in the country, and you think maybe you can reach one of the farming towns on your bike in a day. However, you have nothing to trade for food, and you hear the farmers have banded together to keep the city people away. The farmers have stopped accepting dollars as payment, because they are worthless, and are now demanding either payment in kind, or gold coins. Not that there&#8217;s that much farming going on anymore &#8211; the factory farms are all shut down, from the gasoline shortages and most have gone bankrupt.</p>
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		<title>By: Hanns-Oskar Porr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hanns-Oskar Porr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2004 17:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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The coming 10 years will see a great shift in American jobs. Most of the &#039;low level&#039; tech jobs will go somewhere else overseas, maybe 3 million of them. At the same time, 15 million Americans will retire and leave the job market.  And those americans will need a lot of services done for them.  What we are seeing as far as offshore work is that all the jobs that are one-level-removed from the actual tool are going overseas. The jobs that will remain over here are teh higher level jobs that require DIRECT CUSTOMER INTERACTION, i.e. face to face.  Americas workers affected by the outsourcing boom are well advised to grow more into a mediator role, that allows them to do service work to the customers here, while overseaing work done overseas.  At the same time, the skills that will be needed more and more are problem solving, creativy, and innovation. Can those be taught? Many think no. I think yes.  Out of the box thinking often comes down to first recognizing the box, and then playing with its boundaries. The key to this is critical thinking. Unfortunely, Americas are not used to critical thinking amymore; the good news is that it CAN be taught.</description>
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<p>The coming 10 years will see a great shift in American jobs. Most of the &#8216;low level&#8217; tech jobs will go somewhere else overseas, maybe 3 million of them. At the same time, 15 million Americans will retire and leave the job market.  And those americans will need a lot of services done for them.  What we are seeing as far as offshore work is that all the jobs that are one-level-removed from the actual tool are going overseas. The jobs that will remain over here are teh higher level jobs that require DIRECT CUSTOMER INTERACTION, i.e. face to face.  Americas workers affected by the outsourcing boom are well advised to grow more into a mediator role, that allows them to do service work to the customers here, while overseaing work done overseas.  At the same time, the skills that will be needed more and more are problem solving, creativy, and innovation. Can those be taught? Many think no. I think yes.  Out of the box thinking often comes down to first recognizing the box, and then playing with its boundaries. The key to this is critical thinking. Unfortunely, Americas are not used to critical thinking amymore; the good news is that it CAN be taught.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Nonneman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Nonneman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2004 18:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

David Cohen, the article about British researchers hanging up their jobs seems much less to do with the extraordinary high pay of plumbers than the extraordinary low pay of researchers in Britian.  The pay for the plumber (after converting pounds to dollars) seems to be reasonable and in line with US wages.  The pay of the researchers seems to be lower than in the US, to the best of my small knowlege in that area.  This points to a problem in Britian, not here.  That is not to say that we do not have our fair share of problems, however.  I would not debate against that point.  But I think the biotech, especially in the private sector, is quite bright here.

Article:  http://education.guardian.co.uk/specialreports/lecturerspay/story/0,5500,1154654,00.html

Great article though.  I fear for Britian and even more so for the socialist paradises on the Continent.  When their baby boom generation retires and there is one worker for every two on the government tit their problem will be even worse than ours.</description>
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<p>David Cohen, the article about British researchers hanging up their jobs seems much less to do with the extraordinary high pay of plumbers than the extraordinary low pay of researchers in Britian.  The pay for the plumber (after converting pounds to dollars) seems to be reasonable and in line with US wages.  The pay of the researchers seems to be lower than in the US, to the best of my small knowlege in that area.  This points to a problem in Britian, not here.  That is not to say that we do not have our fair share of problems, however.  I would not debate against that point.  But I think the biotech, especially in the private sector, is quite bright here.</p>
<p>Article:  <a href="http://education.guardian.co.uk/specialreports/lecturerspay/story/0,5500,1154654,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://education.guardian.co.uk/specialreports/lecturerspay/story/0,5500,1154654,00.html</a></p>
<p>Great article though.  I fear for Britian and even more so for the socialist paradises on the Continent.  When their baby boom generation retires and there is one worker for every two on the government tit their problem will be even worse than ours.</p>
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		<title>By: David Cohen</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Following up on the &quot;if you can create a better mousetrap&quot; thread started by DougChang, unfortunately, just having a superior technical product is not enough, nor even as Demetri mentions, is VC funding or the like.

You need to be able to get managers to listen to your pitch, then convince them to buy your stuff when they may have a substantial investment in existing technology, which means you need to convince them that you&#039;re stuff really is so much better that it&#039;s worth changing what they already have, and that you&#039;ll be around long enough to support the technology and that they&#039;ll be able to find people to hire who know the technology and so on. And you need to do this while the competition may be attempting to block you at every turn and so on.

And: even if you could just sit down and make money by developing a better SAP or whatever, chances are that it is the domain knowledge that is the most important thing and not the computer science knowledge--a crappy Visual Basic app that actually solves the user&#039;s problems will sell while a perfectly architected app in an advanced language that doesn&#039;t meet the user&#039;s expectations will not.</description>
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<p>Following up on the &#8220;if you can create a better mousetrap&#8221; thread started by DougChang, unfortunately, just having a superior technical product is not enough, nor even as Demetri mentions, is VC funding or the like.</p>
<p>You need to be able to get managers to listen to your pitch, then convince them to buy your stuff when they may have a substantial investment in existing technology, which means you need to convince them that you&#8217;re stuff really is so much better that it&#8217;s worth changing what they already have, and that you&#8217;ll be around long enough to support the technology and that they&#8217;ll be able to find people to hire who know the technology and so on. And you need to do this while the competition may be attempting to block you at every turn and so on.</p>
<p>And: even if you could just sit down and make money by developing a better SAP or whatever, chances are that it is the domain knowledge that is the most important thing and not the computer science knowledge&#8211;a crappy Visual Basic app that actually solves the user&#8217;s problems will sell while a perfectly architected app in an advanced language that doesn&#8217;t meet the user&#8217;s expectations will not.</p>
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		<title>By: David Cohen</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

For those of you suggesting biotech as the answer, and for those of you who mentioned plumbing, this story about a molecular biologist in England who quit his job to become a plumber might interest you (surprised it wasn&#039;t mentioned already):

http://education.guardian.co.uk/specialreports/lecturerspay/story/0,5500,1154654,00.html

In brief: amazed that his plumber was earning twice what he was, this molecular biologist decided to switch fields.</description>
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<p>For those of you suggesting biotech as the answer, and for those of you who mentioned plumbing, this story about a molecular biologist in England who quit his job to become a plumber might interest you (surprised it wasn&#8217;t mentioned already):</p>
<p><a href="http://education.guardian.co.uk/specialreports/lecturerspay/story/0,5500,1154654,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://education.guardian.co.uk/specialreports/lecturerspay/story/0,5500,1154654,00.html</a></p>
<p>In brief: amazed that his plumber was earning twice what he was, this molecular biologist decided to switch fields.</p>
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