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		<title>By: Konrad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Konrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

It&#039;s funny how Gary criticizes Rutan for the fact that he got government-funded training, as if that makes him a hypocrite for saying anything negative about the government. If anything, it just proves his point that the government&#039;s training was useless. The training didn&#039;t benefit society, only Rutan himself.

Nobody has a choice about paying taxes. If I&#039;m forced to pay for these government services why should I not take advantage of them?! Am I not allowed to criticize the Canadian government because they &quot;paid&quot; for my schooling with my parents&#039; tax money?

That&#039;s the beauty of big government: they have their fingers in everything, so anyone who dares criticize them can be labelled a hypocrite unless they&#039;ve lived a hunter-gatherer lifestyle in the arctic tundra for their entire lives. *Everyone* who&#039;s lived in civilzation has taken advantage of some kind of government benefit, even if it&#039;s only the roads they walk on. They had no choice! It&#039;s ridiculous to dramatically note how much of a benefit someone&#039;s derived from the government. All those benefits were paid for with someone&#039;s tax money, for fuck&#039;s sake. It&#039;s not like they were a gift from some generous uncle.</description>
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<p>It&#8217;s funny how Gary criticizes Rutan for the fact that he got government-funded training, as if that makes him a hypocrite for saying anything negative about the government. If anything, it just proves his point that the government&#8217;s training was useless. The training didn&#8217;t benefit society, only Rutan himself.</p>
<p>Nobody has a choice about paying taxes. If I&#8217;m forced to pay for these government services why should I not take advantage of them?! Am I not allowed to criticize the Canadian government because they &#8220;paid&#8221; for my schooling with my parents&#8217; tax money?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the beauty of big government: they have their fingers in everything, so anyone who dares criticize them can be labelled a hypocrite unless they&#8217;ve lived a hunter-gatherer lifestyle in the arctic tundra for their entire lives. *Everyone* who&#8217;s lived in civilzation has taken advantage of some kind of government benefit, even if it&#8217;s only the roads they walk on. They had no choice! It&#8217;s ridiculous to dramatically note how much of a benefit someone&#8217;s derived from the government. All those benefits were paid for with someone&#8217;s tax money, for fuck&#8217;s sake. It&#8217;s not like they were a gift from some generous uncle.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Howard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

I&#039;ve heard Burt speak many times at Oshkosh over the years, and he is pretty hard on the goverment in general and &quot;Nay-Say&quot; in particular.

So I was very surprised to see the text of a recent speech where he said he would peruse FAA certification for Space Ship Two.  His words were to the effect that it only adds 8 to 10 percent to the cost of a program to accomplish FAA certification over the work he would do anyway just based on his personal ethics.  

The question I had is &quot;does the FAA certify space ships?&quot;.</description>
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<p>I&#8217;ve heard Burt speak many times at Oshkosh over the years, and he is pretty hard on the goverment in general and &#8220;Nay-Say&#8221; in particular.</p>
<p>So I was very surprised to see the text of a recent speech where he said he would peruse FAA certification for Space Ship Two.  His words were to the effect that it only adds 8 to 10 percent to the cost of a program to accomplish FAA certification over the work he would do anyway just based on his personal ethics.  </p>
<p>The question I had is &#8220;does the FAA certify space ships?&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bas Scheffers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bas Scheffers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

All I can say to that is, why go to space to drop something nasty back down when you can simply truck, ship or fly it in?

But then again many of the measures to increase &quot;national security&quot; seem a little out of touch with reality and mostly designed to give the general public the idea the goverment is doing something as really making things safer would be all but invisible.

By the way, that last paragraph is not just directed at the US goverment. Most western countries are guilty of that in one way or another...</description>
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<p>All I can say to that is, why go to space to drop something nasty back down when you can simply truck, ship or fly it in?</p>
<p>But then again many of the measures to increase &#8220;national security&#8221; seem a little out of touch with reality and mostly designed to give the general public the idea the goverment is doing something as really making things safer would be all but invisible.</p>
<p>By the way, that last paragraph is not just directed at the US goverment. Most western countries are guilty of that in one way or another&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2004 00:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

I do not think that the us government is overjoyed by the idea of having a geat(er) number of entities capable of spaceflight. 

This would greatly increase the possibility of ballistic delivery of, well, somethng bad...

An unfortunate side-effect of extra-planetary society may be that the importance of earth&#039;s governments may go the way of the british empire.</description>
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<p>I do not think that the us government is overjoyed by the idea of having a geat(er) number of entities capable of spaceflight. </p>
<p>This would greatly increase the possibility of ballistic delivery of, well, somethng bad&#8230;</p>
<p>An unfortunate side-effect of extra-planetary society may be that the importance of earth&#8217;s governments may go the way of the british empire.</p>
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		<title>By: Bas Scheffers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bas Scheffers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

I see what you mean, but I think a little criticism is justified here. He has a point that NASA hasn&#039;t done much to bring spaceflight to the masses or even make it cheaper and safer, which would mean not wasting tax payers&#039; money.

The good thing about people biting the hand that feeds them is that you can rest assured they know the hand in question rather well and wouldn&#039;t bite unless they had a good reason.</description>
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<p>I see what you mean, but I think a little criticism is justified here. He has a point that NASA hasn&#8217;t done much to bring spaceflight to the masses or even make it cheaper and safer, which would mean not wasting tax payers&#8217; money.</p>
<p>The good thing about people biting the hand that feeds them is that you can rest assured they know the hand in question rather well and wouldn&#8217;t bite unless they had a good reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Oct 2004 03:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Bas,
I am not trying to belittle any of Rutan&#039;s acheivements. As a civilian working for the airforce, he more than earned his pay.

My beef is the tone that he takes, which I interpret as &#039;biting the hand that feeds you&#039;. Without the training, support, equipment, etc.. that the airforce (and nasa by way of technological development that supports the airforce) I do not believe that he would be in the position that he is in now.

Besides, if you really want to find a self-made entreprenuer in the space marketplace you would be better off looking at David W. Thompson, of orbital sciences. Oops, guess he worked at nasa also (an mit alum too)</description>
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<p>Bas,<br />
I am not trying to belittle any of Rutan&#8217;s acheivements. As a civilian working for the airforce, he more than earned his pay.</p>
<p>My beef is the tone that he takes, which I interpret as &#8216;biting the hand that feeds you&#8217;. Without the training, support, equipment, etc.. that the airforce (and nasa by way of technological development that supports the airforce) I do not believe that he would be in the position that he is in now.</p>
<p>Besides, if you really want to find a self-made entreprenuer in the space marketplace you would be better off looking at David W. Thompson, of orbital sciences. Oops, guess he worked at nasa also (an mit alum too)</p>
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		<title>By: Bas Scheffers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bas Scheffers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Gary: &quot;I wonder how much of this cost the government has recouped from Rutan.&quot;

The answer is in the quote you give: &quot;I wrote MIL 83-691, which was the Air Force&#039;s spec for testing stall and spin in all types of airplanes&quot;

Sounds like Rutan served his time, took loads of risks and made military flying safer. Sound to me the goverment got its money worth to me! :)</description>
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<p>Gary: &#8220;I wonder how much of this cost the government has recouped from Rutan.&#8221;</p>
<p>The answer is in the quote you give: &#8220;I wrote MIL 83-691, which was the Air Force&#8217;s spec for testing stall and spin in all types of airplanes&#8221;</p>
<p>Sounds like Rutan served his time, took loads of risks and made military flying safer. Sound to me the goverment got its money worth to me! <img src='http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: hexatron</title>
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		<dc:creator>hexatron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2004 21:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Re Re Binney:  I apologise for the low quality of my research--I just saw the &#039;home-grown&#039; line and recalled that &lt;i&gt;somebody&lt;/i&gt; had been a military test pilot.

As for Rutan, I have always admired him and his exploits, and will therefore &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; try to find out more about his weird wired beliefs.</description>
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<p>Re Re Binney:  I apologise for the low quality of my research&#8211;I just saw the &#8216;home-grown&#8217; line and recalled that <i>somebody</i> had been a military test pilot.</p>
<p>As for Rutan, I have always admired him and his exploits, and will therefore <i>not</i> try to find out more about his weird wired beliefs.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Re: Binnie. My irony meter is working just fine, but Binnie *did* fly the final SS1 flight, the one that went to 367,442 feet (or so) on Oct. 4 and broke the longstanding altitude record for aircraft (354,300, set in 1963).

From listening to Rutan and reading about him, I think his position vis a vis the federal government is a little more nuanced than &quot;it sucks.&quot; I&#039;m sure there&#039;s a strong streak of libertarian, big-government-is-bad thinking there. But regarding what he&#039;s done with the SS1 program, he&#039;s reserved most of his fire for NASA *and* the bloated private space establishment that&#039;s grown up around the manned space program. And even when he&#039;s bashing NASA, he&#039;s selective; he&#039;s gone out of his way to praise the science and interplanetary stuff done out of JPL, for instance. 

Anyway, the surprising thing is that no one here commented on his Egyptian pyramid mural or his speculations that the pyramids were built by a race of ETs as a monument to their stay on Earth shortly before they were forced (by environmental change, perhaps) to leave. See also Carl Hoffman&#039;s profile on Rutan in Wired magazine last year.</description>
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<p>Re: Binnie. My irony meter is working just fine, but Binnie *did* fly the final SS1 flight, the one that went to 367,442 feet (or so) on Oct. 4 and broke the longstanding altitude record for aircraft (354,300, set in 1963).</p>
<p>From listening to Rutan and reading about him, I think his position vis a vis the federal government is a little more nuanced than &#8220;it sucks.&#8221; I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s a strong streak of libertarian, big-government-is-bad thinking there. But regarding what he&#8217;s done with the SS1 program, he&#8217;s reserved most of his fire for NASA *and* the bloated private space establishment that&#8217;s grown up around the manned space program. And even when he&#8217;s bashing NASA, he&#8217;s selective; he&#8217;s gone out of his way to praise the science and interplanetary stuff done out of JPL, for instance. </p>
<p>Anyway, the surprising thing is that no one here commented on his Egyptian pyramid mural or his speculations that the pyramids were built by a race of ETs as a monument to their stay on Earth shortly before they were forced (by environmental change, perhaps) to leave. See also Carl Hoffman&#8217;s profile on Rutan in Wired magazine last year.</p>
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		<title>By: hexatron</title>
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		<dc:creator>hexatron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Brian Binnie (one of four Rutan test pilots) apparently spent 20 years as a Navy pilot, making him perhaps less than completely home-grown.  

His company bio gives him about twice the flight hours of any of the other three pilots.  This, combined with his military service, clearly made him totally unsuitable for the SS1 record flights.</description>
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<p>Brian Binnie (one of four Rutan test pilots) apparently spent 20 years as a Navy pilot, making him perhaps less than completely home-grown.  </p>
<p>His company bio gives him about twice the flight hours of any of the other three pilots.  This, combined with his military service, clearly made him totally unsuitable for the SS1 record flights.</p>
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