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	<title>Comments on: Apple iPod Video versus Creative Zen Vision</title>
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		<title>By: http://www.domeafavorbuddy.com/beta</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2005/10/13/apple-ipod-video-versus-creative-zen-vision/comment-page-1/#comment-3852</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2005 07:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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I agree Apple has set the trend. Admittedly most of these players are just glorified hard drives, but I think healthy competition is good competition. I hope the promised iPod phone changes the market and makes us jump forward in trying to catch up with Japan.</description>
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<p>I agree Apple has set the trend. Admittedly most of these players are just glorified hard drives, but I think healthy competition is good competition. I hope the promised iPod phone changes the market and makes us jump forward in trying to catch up with Japan.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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I think the missing word here is Cool!

The Apple is cool and that&#039;s what kids want. No self repecting teenager would be seen without anything other than an iPod. That&#039;s the real factor here.</description>
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<p>I think the missing word here is Cool!</p>
<p>The Apple is cool and that&#8217;s what kids want. No self repecting teenager would be seen without anything other than an iPod. That&#8217;s the real factor here.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

I totally agree with Jason.
The 5G iPod is a way for Apple to experiment with this market, which is very small at the moment. By adding video as an &#039;extra&#039;, Apple gets to vastly expand the potential market in the same way as they did with podcasts.
Taking a step back, think about what a new company would need to do to expand the portable video device market. They would need to (a) sell a device at a cheap enough price point to a lot of consumers, and (b) offer a way of getting content onto it quickly and cheaply. At the moment, there are no devices that are cheap enough and good enough at (a) to sell in large quantities. From the limited number of Archos devices that have been sold, it is also true to deduce that most consumers do not seem interested in a device that can record content from TV (at least for the moment).
The Apple strategy means that they can introduce a large market segment to video, and entice them to buy TV content. If they prove successful, they will have simultaneously grown a new, potentially very large and lucrative, market at the same time as locking these same consumers into their proprietary FairPlay DRM.</description>
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<p>I totally agree with Jason.<br />
The 5G iPod is a way for Apple to experiment with this market, which is very small at the moment. By adding video as an &#8216;extra&#8217;, Apple gets to vastly expand the potential market in the same way as they did with podcasts.<br />
Taking a step back, think about what a new company would need to do to expand the portable video device market. They would need to (a) sell a device at a cheap enough price point to a lot of consumers, and (b) offer a way of getting content onto it quickly and cheaply. At the moment, there are no devices that are cheap enough and good enough at (a) to sell in large quantities. From the limited number of Archos devices that have been sold, it is also true to deduce that most consumers do not seem interested in a device that can record content from TV (at least for the moment).<br />
The Apple strategy means that they can introduce a large market segment to video, and entice them to buy TV content. If they prove successful, they will have simultaneously grown a new, potentially very large and lucrative, market at the same time as locking these same consumers into their proprietary FairPlay DRM.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2005 04:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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hey do u like ipods? i was wondering if u would like to get the ipod video for $8? Well if you do then go here http://www.YourFreeVideoiPods.com/index.php?ref=1657419
and sign up. After you sign up, please pick an offer, the one thats only $8 is the video proffesor on page 6 of the offers, after
you do that all you have to do is get five people to
do it and you done. Shipping takes 2 to 10 days, one
per household because of the greatness of the deal! In
fact i will send you the $8 if you have paypal, that means it will cost you nothing just get 5 people, please do it it would
help me, then i promise to help you, my person promise
to anyone who uses me, i wont stop till all 5 of them
have their ipods, and i get an email saying thanks!
Email me at bluetigerxz@yahoo.com</description>
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<p>hey do u like ipods? i was wondering if u would like to get the ipod video for $8? Well if you do then go here <a href="http://www.YourFreeVideoiPods.com/index.php?ref=1657419" rel="nofollow">http://www.YourFreeVideoiPods.com/index.php?ref=1657419</a><br />
and sign up. After you sign up, please pick an offer, the one thats only $8 is the video proffesor on page 6 of the offers, after<br />
you do that all you have to do is get five people to<br />
do it and you done. Shipping takes 2 to 10 days, one<br />
per household because of the greatness of the deal! In<br />
fact i will send you the $8 if you have paypal, that means it will cost you nothing just get 5 people, please do it it would<br />
help me, then i promise to help you, my person promise<br />
to anyone who uses me, i wont stop till all 5 of them<br />
have their ipods, and i get an email saying thanks!<br />
Email me at <a href="mailto:bluetigerxz@yahoo.com">bluetigerxz@yahoo.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2005/10/13/apple-ipod-video-versus-creative-zen-vision/comment-page-1/#comment-3783</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

The new iPod isn&#039;t really a true PMP like the Zen Vision, it&#039;s a music player with pretty average video capabilities added on, it&#039;s purpose is to test the market so Apple can decide whether or not to come out with a true PMP later. The new 30GB iPod will only support H.264 &amp; MPEG4 playback with limited resolution (I believe 480x480 for MPEG4 and 320x240 with H264), with less than 2 hours of battery life playing video. This makes it useful for people who mainly want to listen to music and just want to be able to occasionaly watch a video they downloaded from iTunes. If you want a video player, to play TV shows you recorded, movies you download (usually illegally), or DVD s you ripped, you&#039;d want an actual video player like the Zen Vision or Archos AV500, which play back DIVX &amp; XVID (common codecs when ripping DVDs) and have larger screens. The AV500 also has the added feature of being a portable video recorder, so you could record directly from TV into the device, of course this comes with a higher price tag. To the people talking about laptops, the point of these portable players is to have something you can carry around in your pocket, of course not everyone has a need for them, but you can&#039;t really compare them to a laptop.</description>
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<p>The new iPod isn&#8217;t really a true PMP like the Zen Vision, it&#8217;s a music player with pretty average video capabilities added on, it&#8217;s purpose is to test the market so Apple can decide whether or not to come out with a true PMP later. The new 30GB iPod will only support H.264 &amp; MPEG4 playback with limited resolution (I believe 480&#215;480 for MPEG4 and 320&#215;240 with H264), with less than 2 hours of battery life playing video. This makes it useful for people who mainly want to listen to music and just want to be able to occasionaly watch a video they downloaded from iTunes. If you want a video player, to play TV shows you recorded, movies you download (usually illegally), or DVD s you ripped, you&#8217;d want an actual video player like the Zen Vision or Archos AV500, which play back DIVX &amp; XVID (common codecs when ripping DVDs) and have larger screens. The AV500 also has the added feature of being a portable video recorder, so you could record directly from TV into the device, of course this comes with a higher price tag. To the people talking about laptops, the point of these portable players is to have something you can carry around in your pocket, of course not everyone has a need for them, but you can&#8217;t really compare them to a laptop.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Hey, i was jsut wondering if u would like to get that ipod for $8? Well if you do then go here http://www.YourFreeVideoiPods.com/index.php?ref=1657419 and sign up. After you sign up, please pick an offer, the one thats only $8 is the video proffesor, after you do that all you have to do is get five people to do it and you done. Shipping takes 2 to 10 days, one per household because of the greatness of the deal! In fact depending on if i still have money i might be able to give u the $8 or half, please do it it would help me, then i promise to help you, my person promise to anyone who uses me, i wont stop till all 5 of them have their ipods, and i get an email saying thanks!

If you are mad about me doing this im soooo! sorry, im just trying to get my ipod and im so sorry for doing this, thanks for you time

any questons or to see how much money i have email me at bluetigerxz@yahoo.com</description>
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<p>Hey, i was jsut wondering if u would like to get that ipod for $8? Well if you do then go here <a href="http://www.YourFreeVideoiPods.com/index.php?ref=1657419" rel="nofollow">http://www.YourFreeVideoiPods.com/index.php?ref=1657419</a> and sign up. After you sign up, please pick an offer, the one thats only $8 is the video proffesor, after you do that all you have to do is get five people to do it and you done. Shipping takes 2 to 10 days, one per household because of the greatness of the deal! In fact depending on if i still have money i might be able to give u the $8 or half, please do it it would help me, then i promise to help you, my person promise to anyone who uses me, i wont stop till all 5 of them have their ipods, and i get an email saying thanks!</p>
<p>If you are mad about me doing this im soooo! sorry, im just trying to get my ipod and im so sorry for doing this, thanks for you time</p>
<p>any questons or to see how much money i have email me at <a href="mailto:bluetigerxz@yahoo.com">bluetigerxz@yahoo.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: george girton</title>
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		<dc:creator>george girton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2005 05:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

I went to dinner at some friends, I wanted to show them some photos I took today and some videos I shot and edited on my vacation.  I took along my Apple Mac Powerbook.  The screen was much better that either of the two screens you mentioned, and there was no need to &quot;Sync Up&quot; with an inferior remote device like the Creative Zen. At $999 (&quot;reconditioned&quot;) with the ability to attach to a remote DVD burner that I already own, I consider the Apple Powerbook to be a superior value to the two devices you mentioned in your review.  (And, the Powerbook battery is not &quot;stuck inside,&quot; it can be replaced at any time, not that I have yet had occasion to do so)</description>
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<p>I went to dinner at some friends, I wanted to show them some photos I took today and some videos I shot and edited on my vacation.  I took along my Apple Mac Powerbook.  The screen was much better that either of the two screens you mentioned, and there was no need to &#8220;Sync Up&#8221; with an inferior remote device like the Creative Zen. At $999 (&#8221;reconditioned&#8221;) with the ability to attach to a remote DVD burner that I already own, I consider the Apple Powerbook to be a superior value to the two devices you mentioned in your review.  (And, the Powerbook battery is not &#8220;stuck inside,&#8221; it can be replaced at any time, not that I have yet had occasion to do so)</p>
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		<title>By: Derek K. Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek K. Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2005 08:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

$2 for a low-quality version of a TV show you missed last night is worth it when it&#039;s awkward to borrow and return a bad VHS copy from a friend (and maybe cheaper than the gas there and back), and it&#039;s way less hassle than downloading an unreliable torrent for most people. That&#039;s why the iPod will win, even though the Zen and PSP are technically better devices for playback.

Plus it&#039;s still an iPod, and (other than no more FireWire syncing and slightly shorter battery life), is better than the previous hot-selling models for the same money. QED.</description>
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<p>$2 for a low-quality version of a TV show you missed last night is worth it when it&#8217;s awkward to borrow and return a bad VHS copy from a friend (and maybe cheaper than the gas there and back), and it&#8217;s way less hassle than downloading an unreliable torrent for most people. That&#8217;s why the iPod will win, even though the Zen and PSP are technically better devices for playback.</p>
<p>Plus it&#8217;s still an iPod, and (other than no more FireWire syncing and slightly shorter battery life), is better than the previous hot-selling models for the same money. QED.</p>
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		<title>By: Trevis Rothwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trevis Rothwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Phil:  I, an Apple computer fan, bought an iPod mini a couple of months ago.  I didn&#039;t find the interface immediately intuitive, and had to consult the manual (which I had already packed away back in the box, not expecting to need it) in order to learn how to do basic functions like volume control and turning the device off.


Once I learned these things, it&#039;s pretty easy to use, but I concur that it wasn&#039;t as obvious as you might think it would be.</description>
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<p>Phil:  I, an Apple computer fan, bought an iPod mini a couple of months ago.  I didn&#8217;t find the interface immediately intuitive, and had to consult the manual (which I had already packed away back in the box, not expecting to need it) in order to learn how to do basic functions like volume control and turning the device off.</p>
<p>Once I learned these things, it&#8217;s pretty easy to use, but I concur that it wasn&#8217;t as obvious as you might think it would be.</p>
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		<title>By: John Valenti</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Valenti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

My son has an Ipod with the wheel &amp; four buttons (about two years old). I have to confess that I don&#039;t know how to operate it. But it came with a cable that has a pause/play and volume controls on it, I think it is a standard apple part that was included then.

I do know how to operate that part, so controlling the volume is no problem.

I&#039;m still holding out for FM radio included, so I can get my public radio fix on my motorcycle. But I&#039;m starting to think a Nano would be nice, with my old FM walkman for radio. Or maybe a few more shows will offer podcasts/free archives, then I can skip the FM completely.</description>
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<p>My son has an Ipod with the wheel &amp; four buttons (about two years old). I have to confess that I don&#8217;t know how to operate it. But it came with a cable that has a pause/play and volume controls on it, I think it is a standard apple part that was included then.</p>
<p>I do know how to operate that part, so controlling the volume is no problem.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still holding out for FM radio included, so I can get my public radio fix on my motorcycle. But I&#8217;m starting to think a Nano would be nice, with my old FM walkman for radio. Or maybe a few more shows will offer podcasts/free archives, then I can skip the FM completely.</p>
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