Comments on: The Robinson R44 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2006/01/12/the-robinson-r44/ A posting every day; an interesting idea every three months... Sun, 29 Nov 2009 03:22:04 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Ervin http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2006/01/12/the-robinson-r44/comment-page-1/#comment-23371 Ervin Wed, 30 May 2007 05:46:14 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philgtest/2006/01/12/the-robinson-r44/#comment-23371 I'm buying a used R-44 Clipper II with 1000 hours from a school (original owner). What would you estimate is the right price for that? Where are the resources to figure that out; I don't know of any. Thanks, Ervin I’m buying a used R-44 Clipper II with 1000 hours from a school (original owner). What would you estimate is the right price for that? Where are the resources to figure that out; I don’t know of any.

Thanks,
Ervin

]]> By: dilbert dogbert http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2006/01/12/the-robinson-r44/comment-page-1/#comment-10829 dilbert dogbert Tue, 17 Jan 2006 00:44:58 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philgtest/2006/01/12/the-robinson-r44/#comment-10829 <a></a> Don't ever think about shipping by rail. Humping loads, horizontal, on the order of 20g's, unless the railroads have improved their methods of train makeup. If I remember correctly, aircraft wing loads are greatest with full fuel taxiing. I worked on aluminum ground vehicles that were built of aluminum plate up to 3 inches thick and we had cracks in them too from vibrations.

Don’t ever think about shipping by rail. Humping loads, horizontal, on the order of 20g’s, unless the railroads have improved their methods of train makeup.
If I remember correctly, aircraft wing loads are greatest with full fuel taxiing.
I worked on aluminum ground vehicles that were built of aluminum plate up to 3 inches thick and we had cracks in them too from vibrations.

]]> By: Dan Lyke http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2006/01/12/the-robinson-r44/comment-page-1/#comment-10825 Dan Lyke Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:51:32 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philgtest/2006/01/12/the-robinson-r44/#comment-10825 <a></a> Aaand... if I were a rotary wing pilot looking for something in which to build up hours, I'd be sniffing around the <a href="http://www.helicycle.com/">Helicycle</a>: Turbine, but with an operating cost that rivals the R22, and if you build it yourself you can do all of the maintenance. Unfortunately, it doesn't have room for a Samoyed, which is probably a dealbreaker for Philip, and I don't think it's a rentable machine, either, which changes the cost structure.

Aaand… if I were a rotary wing pilot looking for something in which to build up hours, I’d be sniffing around the Helicycle: Turbine, but with an operating cost that rivals the R22, and if you build it yourself you can do all of the maintenance.

Unfortunately, it doesn’t have room for a Samoyed, which is probably a dealbreaker for Philip, and I don’t think it’s a rentable machine, either, which changes the cost structure.

]]> By: Dan Lyke http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2006/01/12/the-robinson-r44/comment-page-1/#comment-10824 Dan Lyke Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:43:15 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philgtest/2006/01/12/the-robinson-r44/#comment-10824 <a></a> On the hazards of shipping aircraft, anyone remember the issues in New York City with the Grumman Flxible(sic) buses a few decades ago? I believe the prevailing wisdom was that aircraft designers just weren't used to dealing with the sorts of vibration and shocks that wheeled vehicles (especially those on NYC streets) had to deal with.

On the hazards of shipping aircraft, anyone remember the issues in New York City with the Grumman Flxible(sic) buses a few decades ago? I believe the prevailing wisdom was that aircraft designers just weren’t used to dealing with the sorts of vibration and shocks that wheeled vehicles (especially those on NYC streets) had to deal with.

]]> By: patxaran http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2006/01/12/the-robinson-r44/comment-page-1/#comment-10823 patxaran Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:30:15 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philgtest/2006/01/12/the-robinson-r44/#comment-10823 <a></a> Philip: Autogyro fans claim exactly the opposite, saying that they combine the best characteristics of helicopter and airplanes. I was under the impression that autogyros are quieter and require less maintenance than helicopters. There is a company that believes in the future of autorotative flight (that is what they say in their Web page), GROEN BROTHERS (www.groenbros.com). I’m not an autogyro advocate; I just find it interesting that there are no certified autogyros.

Philip: Autogyro fans claim exactly the opposite, saying that they combine the best characteristics of helicopter and airplanes. I was under the impression that autogyros are quieter and require less maintenance than helicopters. There is a company that believes in the future of autorotative flight (that is what they say in their Web page), GROEN BROTHERS  www.groenbros.com). I’m not an autogyro advocate; I just find it interesting that there are no certified autogyros.

]]> By: Philip Greenspun http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2006/01/12/the-robinson-r44/comment-page-1/#comment-10820 Philip Greenspun Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:48:55 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philgtest/2006/01/12/the-robinson-r44/#comment-10820 <a></a> Rick: As I understand it, autogyros don't fly very well. They chew up about as much runway as an airplane designed for short fields. They make a lot of noise, require a lot of maintenance. They combine the worst aspects of helicopters and airplanes.

Rick: As I understand it, autogyros don’t fly very well. They chew up about as much runway as an airplane designed for short fields. They make a lot of noise, require a lot of maintenance. They combine the worst aspects of helicopters and airplanes.

]]> By: Rick http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2006/01/12/the-robinson-r44/comment-page-1/#comment-10819 Rick Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:18:39 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philgtest/2006/01/12/the-robinson-r44/#comment-10819 <a></a> Sorry, "..can't hover though.."

Sorry, “..can’t hover though..”

]]> By: Rick http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2006/01/12/the-robinson-r44/comment-page-1/#comment-10818 Rick Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:16:45 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philgtest/2006/01/12/the-robinson-r44/#comment-10818 <a></a> Autogyros can't though, right?

Autogyros can’t though, right?

]]> By: patxaran http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2006/01/12/the-robinson-r44/comment-page-1/#comment-10815 patxaran Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:52:16 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philgtest/2006/01/12/the-robinson-r44/#comment-10815 <a></a> What are the reasons that prevent autogyros from being more popular? They should be a cheaper, and perhaps safer, alternative to helicopters.

What are the reasons that prevent autogyros from being more popular? They should be a cheaper, and perhaps safer, alternative to helicopters.

]]> By: Philip Greenspun http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2006/01/12/the-robinson-r44/comment-page-1/#comment-10812 Philip Greenspun Mon, 16 Jan 2006 06:04:37 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philgtest/2006/01/12/the-robinson-r44/#comment-10812 <a></a> Rick: It is true that you can buy a turbine ship for almost nothing (200-300k), the fuel and parts result in operating costs at least 2-3X an R44. Michael: It is true that I finally have an aircraft that gets worse mileage than an SUV! I don't think that I ever complained about the price of SUVs, though. If car companies can get yuppies to pay $70,000 for a vehicle that rides worse than a Hyundai rental car, more power to them!

Rick: It is true that you can buy a turbine ship for almost nothing (200-300k), the fuel and parts result in operating costs at least 2-3X an R44.

Michael: It is true that I finally have an aircraft that gets worse mileage than an SUV! I don’t think that I ever complained about the price of SUVs, though. If car companies can get yuppies to pay $70,000 for a vehicle that rides worse than a Hyundai rental car, more power to them!

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