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	<title>Comments on: The End of Poverty by Jeffrey Sachs</title>
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		<title>By: paloma</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2006/11/18/the-end-of-poverty-by-jeffrey-sachs/comment-page-1/#comment-18936</link>
		<dc:creator>paloma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 04:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I already checked mr. Jeffrey D. Sachs book, I believe that Profesor Sachs explanation about the possible solutions to end with poverty are kind of &quot;utopian&quot;, I believe the solutions are not in the shoulders of rich countries. But I agree.. The mobility of labor is a major factor in the standards of economic development  &quot;Ceteris paribus&quot;. We should put attention in other variabilities. What about globalization and world trade? Remember Marx work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I already checked mr. Jeffrey D. Sachs book, I believe that Profesor Sachs explanation about the possible solutions to end with poverty are kind of &#8220;utopian&#8221;, I believe the solutions are not in the shoulders of rich countries. But I agree.. The mobility of labor is a major factor in the standards of economic development  &#8220;Ceteris paribus&#8221;. We should put attention in other variabilities. What about globalization and world trade? Remember Marx work!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is true that the mobility of labor is a major factor in the standards of economic development in one place, but it is not the only factor, nor the defining factor.  Sachs does not mention it in his book because he is talking about the defining factors, those that create absolute burdens on the societies, like basic health, basic nutrition, basic education.  At the point faced by Africa today, labor mobility is not that much of a problem because they face such high burdens on so many other fronts.  There is no doubt that labor mobility and &quot;brain drain&quot; would become larger problems when Africa is able to solve its most basic needs.

But also, Sachs does not argue that aid itself brings countries out of poverty.  No one I know of thinks that you would flood some area with so much aid that they would no longer be poor.  But he is saying that aid helps build the conditions for a country to bring itself out of poverty.  And he does discuss this in his book when he talks about the &quot;green revolution&quot; and basically discusses the need for World Bank type projects to bring countries out of the &quot;poverty trap&quot;.  It is not a matter of aid bring people out of poverty, but of making it easier for people to bring themselves out of poverty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is true that the mobility of labor is a major factor in the standards of economic development in one place, but it is not the only factor, nor the defining factor.  Sachs does not mention it in his book because he is talking about the defining factors, those that create absolute burdens on the societies, like basic health, basic nutrition, basic education.  At the point faced by Africa today, labor mobility is not that much of a problem because they face such high burdens on so many other fronts.  There is no doubt that labor mobility and &#8220;brain drain&#8221; would become larger problems when Africa is able to solve its most basic needs.</p>
<p>But also, Sachs does not argue that aid itself brings countries out of poverty.  No one I know of thinks that you would flood some area with so much aid that they would no longer be poor.  But he is saying that aid helps build the conditions for a country to bring itself out of poverty.  And he does discuss this in his book when he talks about the &#8220;green revolution&#8221; and basically discusses the need for World Bank type projects to bring countries out of the &#8220;poverty trap&#8221;.  It is not a matter of aid bring people out of poverty, but of making it easier for people to bring themselves out of poverty.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with economics is that past performance rarely has much to say about future results: you have to judge each case on its own merits. Sachs may be a smart guy and all but (based admittedly on reviews of his books rather than the books themselves) he reminds me of a magic-bullet IT consultant: &quot;Just use  and all your software development problems will disappear&quot;. We want to believe there is a magic bullet, so we keep hiring magic-bullet consultants. At least with IT, the basic technologies are portable: if you can build a database-driven website for a bank in Kansas, you can probably do the same thing for an accordion shop in Angola. I don&#039;t think economics generalizes nearly as well as economists, motivated by the need to justify their teaching positions, claim it does. As in any social science, the big theories are only reliable when they&#039;re  pointing out the obvious. 

On the other hand, the problem of progress in the third world is similar to the IT problem of deploying a new-and-improved technology, in the sense that both are chicken-and-egg problems. To educate the people, you need to lose the dictator; to lose the dictator, you need to educate the people. To sell your new collaborative social networking service, you need to demonstrate that lots of people are using it. Yet somehow, with the aid of money and incremental deployment, these chicken-and-egg problems do get solved, sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with economics is that past performance rarely has much to say about future results: you have to judge each case on its own merits. Sachs may be a smart guy and all but (based admittedly on reviews of his books rather than the books themselves) he reminds me of a magic-bullet IT consultant: &#8220;Just use  and all your software development problems will disappear&#8221;. We want to believe there is a magic bullet, so we keep hiring magic-bullet consultants. At least with IT, the basic technologies are portable: if you can build a database-driven website for a bank in Kansas, you can probably do the same thing for an accordion shop in Angola. I don&#8217;t think economics generalizes nearly as well as economists, motivated by the need to justify their teaching positions, claim it does. As in any social science, the big theories are only reliable when they&#8217;re  pointing out the obvious. </p>
<p>On the other hand, the problem of progress in the third world is similar to the IT problem of deploying a new-and-improved technology, in the sense that both are chicken-and-egg problems. To educate the people, you need to lose the dictator; to lose the dictator, you need to educate the people. To sell your new collaborative social networking service, you need to demonstrate that lots of people are using it. Yet somehow, with the aid of money and incremental deployment, these chicken-and-egg problems do get solved, sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Throwing money at a problem is seldom the answer.  I&#039;m amazed at the number of people who think that all the world&#039;s problems can be solved by spending more money.  The UN is a perfect example of the more money you give to it, the worse it gets.  I think that most areas that have &quot;extreme&quot; poverty are areas where repressive regimes exist, either formal goverment or loosely run organizations such as the various warlords around the world.  The one constant seems to be an oppressed uneducated populace. What is the answer? I believe the start is education.  Education of the masses, teaching people to think for themselves, giving them the tools (mentally) to find a way to a better life and instilling a sense of moral justice where oppression will not be accepted.  Could this be accomplished without spending money?  Of course not, but any money would be better spent if it is looked upon as a tool to be used versus an answer to all our problems.  &quot;Give me a fish, I eat for a day, teach me to fish, I eat for a lifetime.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Throwing money at a problem is seldom the answer.  I&#8217;m amazed at the number of people who think that all the world&#8217;s problems can be solved by spending more money.  The UN is a perfect example of the more money you give to it, the worse it gets.  I think that most areas that have &#8220;extreme&#8221; poverty are areas where repressive regimes exist, either formal goverment or loosely run organizations such as the various warlords around the world.  The one constant seems to be an oppressed uneducated populace. What is the answer? I believe the start is education.  Education of the masses, teaching people to think for themselves, giving them the tools (mentally) to find a way to a better life and instilling a sense of moral justice where oppression will not be accepted.  Could this be accomplished without spending money?  Of course not, but any money would be better spent if it is looked upon as a tool to be used versus an answer to all our problems.  &#8220;Give me a fish, I eat for a day, teach me to fish, I eat for a lifetime.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 22:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$250B/year sounds like a lot of money. And it is. Except when you compare it to what is spent in developed countries. Sach&#039;s is advocating that expenditure for 1B people; Canada spends almost half that amount ($100B or so) providing healthcare for 35M people; the UK almost 2/3rd of that amount ($170B) for 65M people. Except in a few very very small countries aid can never be such a significant portion of the budget as to affect change directly. Certainly, much aid money is wasted, or spent in well-intentioned but ineffective ways on Western consultants. And pouring money into a corrupt regime makes many situations worse. But at least Sachs sketched out a plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$250B/year sounds like a lot of money. And it is. Except when you compare it to what is spent in developed countries. Sach&#8217;s is advocating that expenditure for 1B people; Canada spends almost half that amount ($100B or so) providing healthcare for 35M people; the UK almost 2/3rd of that amount ($170B) for 65M people. Except in a few very very small countries aid can never be such a significant portion of the budget as to affect change directly. Certainly, much aid money is wasted, or spent in well-intentioned but ineffective ways on Western consultants. And pouring money into a corrupt regime makes many situations worse. But at least Sachs sketched out a plan.</p>
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		<title>By: BetsyS</title>
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		<dc:creator>BetsyS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 15:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This brings to mind the successes of microfinance/microcredit institutes, not only loaning money to the very poor but providing wrap around servies for example health care, maternal child health care, family planning, literacy and financial community stability. &quot;A hand up not a hand out&quot; microcredit provides people the means of staying in their homeland and yes maybe even bringing about global trade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This brings to mind the successes of microfinance/microcredit institutes, not only loaning money to the very poor but providing wrap around servies for example health care, maternal child health care, family planning, literacy and financial community stability. &#8220;A hand up not a hand out&#8221; microcredit provides people the means of staying in their homeland and yes maybe even bringing about global trade.</p>
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		<title>By: Russil Wvong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russil Wvong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Another perspective on foreign aid: Nicholas Kristof reviews William Easterly, &quot;The White Man&#039;s Burden: Why the West&#039;s Efforts to Aid the Rest Have Done So Much Ill and So Little Good&quot;, in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nybooks.com/articles/19374&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;New York Review of Books&lt;/a&gt;. To sum up, the correlation between aid and economic growth is murky at best; but Kristof also notes that aid can and does save people&#039;s lives.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Economists are still arguing about these issues, and they don&#039;t agree about them any more than they agree about most topics. There&#039;s a broad range of opinion about the effectiveness of aid, with believers like Professor Sachs at one end and skeptics like Professor Easterly at the other. Most are somewhere in the middle.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;More broadly, however, aid can be effective even if it doesn&#039;t boost economic growth. Last fall when I was traveling through the remote lands of eastern Niger, miles from nowhere, I dropped in on a clinic in the town of Zinder and found a heavily pregnant thirty-seven-year-old woman named Ramatou who was groaning and suffering convulsions; she was losing her eyesight. The doctors were more interested in me than in her, but they said she was about to fall into a coma from eclampsia, a common condition in Africa that kills pregnant women but is essentially unknown in America. (In developed countries it is detected early, as pre-eclampsia, and then treated so that it never develops into full-fledged eclampsia.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Cockroaches skittered on the floor underneath Ramatou, as the doctors wheeled her into the small operating theater. The surgery was primitive but could not have been more effective: thirty minutes later, the doctor delivered a baby boy, and an hour later the mother was conscious and recovering. That clinic, financed by the UN Population Fund (whose funding the Bush administration has cut because of its support for China&#039;s family planning program) and by Nigeria&#039;s aid program (poor countries are donors, too), had just saved two lives before my eyes. I don&#039;t know whether that aid will boost economic growth in Niger, but no one watching that drama could doubt that financing the clinic was money well spent.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another perspective on foreign aid: Nicholas Kristof reviews William Easterly, &#8220;The White Man&#8217;s Burden: Why the West&#8217;s Efforts to Aid the Rest Have Done So Much Ill and So Little Good&#8221;, in the <a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/19374" rel="nofollow">New York Review of Books</a>. To sum up, the correlation between aid and economic growth is murky at best; but Kristof also notes that aid can and does save people&#8217;s lives.</p>
<blockquote><p>Economists are still arguing about these issues, and they don&#8217;t agree about them any more than they agree about most topics. There&#8217;s a broad range of opinion about the effectiveness of aid, with believers like Professor Sachs at one end and skeptics like Professor Easterly at the other. Most are somewhere in the middle.</p>
<p>More broadly, however, aid can be effective even if it doesn&#8217;t boost economic growth. Last fall when I was traveling through the remote lands of eastern Niger, miles from nowhere, I dropped in on a clinic in the town of Zinder and found a heavily pregnant thirty-seven-year-old woman named Ramatou who was groaning and suffering convulsions; she was losing her eyesight. The doctors were more interested in me than in her, but they said she was about to fall into a coma from eclampsia, a common condition in Africa that kills pregnant women but is essentially unknown in America. (In developed countries it is detected early, as pre-eclampsia, and then treated so that it never develops into full-fledged eclampsia.)</p>
<p>Cockroaches skittered on the floor underneath Ramatou, as the doctors wheeled her into the small operating theater. The surgery was primitive but could not have been more effective: thirty minutes later, the doctor delivered a baby boy, and an hour later the mother was conscious and recovering. That clinic, financed by the UN Population Fund (whose funding the Bush administration has cut because of its support for China&#8217;s family planning program) and by Nigeria&#8217;s aid program (poor countries are donors, too), had just saved two lives before my eyes. I don&#8217;t know whether that aid will boost economic growth in Niger, but no one watching that drama could doubt that financing the clinic was money well spent.</p>
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		<title>By: philg</title>
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		<dc:creator>philg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Nov 2006 15:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The New York Times story &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/19/world/europe/19poland.html?ex=1321592400&amp;en=68417278d71332b1&amp;ei=5090&amp;partner=rssuserland&amp;emc=rss&quot;&gt;&quot;Polish Labor Is Scarce As Workers Go West&quot;&lt;/a&gt; coincidentally appeared at the same time as this weblog entry.

Excerpt:

This is the “second” Poland, a diaspora of 800,000 Poles estimated by officials here to have left the country since it joined the European Union in May 2004. The exodus is believed to be one of the largest migrations by Europeans since the 1950s, when a wave of Irish crossed the Atlantic to escape poverty.

But in Poland, this huge movement of people has created a labor shortage so severe that the government may not be able to spend the money that is due to begin arriving in January from the European Union for projects like improving roads and the water supply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The New York Times story <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/19/world/europe/19poland.html?ex=1321592400&#038;en=68417278d71332b1&#038;ei=5090&#038;partner=rssuserland&#038;emc=rss">&#8220;Polish Labor Is Scarce As Workers Go West&#8221;</a> coincidentally appeared at the same time as this weblog entry.</p>
<p>Excerpt:</p>
<p>This is the “second” Poland, a diaspora of 800,000 Poles estimated by officials here to have left the country since it joined the European Union in May 2004. The exodus is believed to be one of the largest migrations by Europeans since the 1950s, when a wave of Irish crossed the Atlantic to escape poverty.</p>
<p>But in Poland, this huge movement of people has created a labor shortage so severe that the government may not be able to spend the money that is due to begin arriving in January from the European Union for projects like improving roads and the water supply.</p>
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