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		<title>By: patrick giagnocavo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2007/06/10/energy-usage-in-cities-and-buildings/comment-page-1/#comment-23856</link>
		<dc:creator>patrick giagnocavo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 03:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two things not mentioned: 

1. paint the flat roof  of a commercial building WHITE to avoid heat buildup during the summer.  

2. In many places in the USA, simply using a solar hot water heater (or a Trombe wall with/without a fan) to pump heat into the house during the winter would greatly reduce heating costs.</description>
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<p>1. paint the flat roof  of a commercial building WHITE to avoid heat buildup during the summer.  </p>
<p>2. In many places in the USA, simply using a solar hot water heater (or a Trombe wall with/without a fan) to pump heat into the house during the winter would greatly reduce heating costs.</p>
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		<title>By: David R</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2007/06/10/energy-usage-in-cities-and-buildings/comment-page-1/#comment-23849</link>
		<dc:creator>David R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 21:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. Nuclear is by far the most practical and ultimately the most “green” energy source. When fuel is reprocessed, the physical volume of the high level waste is absurdly small. 

Many of the safety problems faced in the past are the result of a pernicious regulatory environment rather than regulatory lapses.

The US Navy has built and operated _hundreds of nuclear vessels.  The design and operation of their power plants is far less prone to error than what exists commercially.
In the commercial environment, the biggest hurdle was regulatory rather than technical. The challenge was/is getting the design approved. With billions of dollars at risk, the “safe” way to go was to merely replicate an older, poor design that was already approved.
There are many (old) innovations available to make nuclear even safer.
The history of this type of reactor is worth reading about.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble_bed_reactor

Re smart houses, ground loop heat sinks, etc.  Right, it&#039;s quite odd we don&#039;t have such systems. But consider that most people can&#039;t program a VCR. Major companies - NSP, Philips, Honeywell, even Microsoft have had prototypes for years (acutally decades).  You can find some products at smarthome.com. Yes, latent heat issues mean that it is usually almost as or more efficient to keep a fairly steady temperature in conventional structures.  There are sizable savings available in heat sinking into something more efficient than outdoor air (again often constrained by an inexplicable array of regulations).  In Hong Kong, all the major office buildings heatsink their AC to the harbor.  Not going to happen in the US.

Regarding notions such as “renewable” building materials, I revel in amazement at the intellectual dishonesty scientists are able to get away with.
Practically speaking, there is no usefulness in this term as applied to building materials except to propagandize.  Why do we care that we cannot “renew” clay for bricks as fast as we use it up? Can anyone seriously argue that we are running out of Fe, Si02, Gypsum, Al, limestone, or clay?    

Buckminster Fuller designed buildings out of light-weight aluminum shells arguing that we would soon run out of stuff to build houses out of.  To him, wood was what we were sure to run out of.  Of course, the main “renewable” building material is wood.  But if we take one set of environmentalists at their word and start to build extensively from wood, we quickly run into another group that decries timber farming.  Philosophically speaking, a true-blue Green won&#039;t be happy until the human population is reduced to a few thousand of us wearing grass skirts and eating nuts and berries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. Nuclear is by far the most practical and ultimately the most “green” energy source. When fuel is reprocessed, the physical volume of the high level waste is absurdly small. </p>
<p>Many of the safety problems faced in the past are the result of a pernicious regulatory environment rather than regulatory lapses.</p>
<p>The US Navy has built and operated _hundreds of nuclear vessels.  The design and operation of their power plants is far less prone to error than what exists commercially.<br />
In the commercial environment, the biggest hurdle was regulatory rather than technical. The challenge was/is getting the design approved. With billions of dollars at risk, the “safe” way to go was to merely replicate an older, poor design that was already approved.<br />
There are many (old) innovations available to make nuclear even safer.<br />
The history of this type of reactor is worth reading about.  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble_bed_reactor" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble_bed_reactor</a></p>
<p>Re smart houses, ground loop heat sinks, etc.  Right, it&#8217;s quite odd we don&#8217;t have such systems. But consider that most people can&#8217;t program a VCR. Major companies &#8211; NSP, Philips, Honeywell, even Microsoft have had prototypes for years (acutally decades).  You can find some products at&nbsp;<a href="http://smarthome.com" title="http://smarthome. " target="_blank">smarthome.com</a>. Yes, latent heat issues mean that it is usually almost as or more efficient to keep a fairly steady temperature in conventional structures.  There are sizable savings available in heat sinking into something more efficient than outdoor air (again often constrained by an inexplicable array of regulations).  In Hong Kong, all the major office buildings heatsink their AC to the harbor.  Not going to happen in the US.</p>
<p>Regarding notions such as “renewable” building materials, I revel in amazement at the intellectual dishonesty scientists are able to get away with.<br />
Practically speaking, there is no usefulness in this term as applied to building materials except to propagandize.  Why do we care that we cannot “renew” clay for bricks as fast as we use it up? Can anyone seriously argue that we are running out of Fe, Si02, Gypsum, Al, limestone, or clay?    </p>
<p>Buckminster Fuller designed buildings out of light-weight aluminum shells arguing that we would soon run out of stuff to build houses out of.  To him, wood was what we were sure to run out of.  Of course, the main “renewable” building material is wood.  But if we take one set of environmentalists at their word and start to build extensively from wood, we quickly run into another group that decries timber farming.  Philosophically speaking, a true-blue Green won&#8217;t be happy until the human population is reduced to a few thousand of us wearing grass skirts and eating nuts and berries.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 04:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I generally find that people who complain about energy use and CO2 emissions lack the courage of their convictions. Smart homes and insulating glass are NOT going to cut energy use or CO2 emissions. At best they will slow growth in use by a couple percentage points. Sort of like a Federal &quot;budget cut&quot; that leaves the budget larger year after year.

Want to cut U.S. carbon emissions nearly in half? Convert all electrical generation to nuclear. Build reactors to reprocess spent fuel rods. Quit fighting over a permanent storage facility for truly spent rods and just build it.

Yes, nuclear waste is dangerous. Yes, it must be managed. Yes, there&#039;s always the chance of an accident. But if you really believe the ice caps will melt and our cities will flood, well then it&#039;s a pretty easy choice. Energy efficient light bulbs and geothermal AC aren&#039;t going to cut emissions in half, I guarantee that. They won&#039;t &quot;cut&quot; it at all, just barely slow growth. When I hear &#039;experts&#039; talk about such silly band aids, I&#039;m forced to conclude they don&#039;t really believe global warming is going to do any serious harm.

And the other half? We either need cheap fuel cells or really good batteries for our cars. But note that neither of those technologies will do squat in terms of actually cutting CO2 output unless they are backed by an energy source that doesn&#039;t produce CO2. Wind won&#039;t cut it. Solar is too expensive to get the masses on board. That leaves...

Nuclear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I generally find that people who complain about energy use and CO2 emissions lack the courage of their convictions. Smart homes and insulating glass are NOT going to cut energy use or CO2 emissions. At best they will slow growth in use by a couple percentage points. Sort of like a Federal &#8220;budget cut&#8221; that leaves the budget larger year after year.</p>
<p>Want to cut U.S. carbon emissions nearly in half? Convert all electrical generation to nuclear. Build reactors to reprocess spent fuel rods. Quit fighting over a permanent storage facility for truly spent rods and just build it.</p>
<p>Yes, nuclear waste is dangerous. Yes, it must be managed. Yes, there&#8217;s always the chance of an accident. But if you really believe the ice caps will melt and our cities will flood, well then it&#8217;s a pretty easy choice. Energy efficient light bulbs and geothermal AC aren&#8217;t going to cut emissions in half, I guarantee that. They won&#8217;t &#8220;cut&#8221; it at all, just barely slow growth. When I hear &#8216;experts&#8217; talk about such silly band aids, I&#8217;m forced to conclude they don&#8217;t really believe global warming is going to do any serious harm.</p>
<p>And the other half? We either need cheap fuel cells or really good batteries for our cars. But note that neither of those technologies will do squat in terms of actually cutting CO2 output unless they are backed by an energy source that doesn&#8217;t produce CO2. Wind won&#8217;t cut it. Solar is too expensive to get the masses on board. That leaves&#8230;</p>
<p>Nuclear.</p>
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		<title>By: suzanne goode</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2007/06/10/energy-usage-in-cities-and-buildings/comment-page-1/#comment-23745</link>
		<dc:creator>suzanne goode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 00:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>take a look at Green House exhibit at National Building Museum in Washington, D.C.:  www.nbm.org/exhibits/greenhouse2  This is a gem of a museum located in the Old Patent Office -- oft-pictured during Inauguration Balls held there.

Doesn&#039;t Bill Gates&#039; house in Seattle area have a lot of energy-saving features, in addition to the sensors which play the type of music the family member/guest who&#039;s just walked into a room likes to hear?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>take a look at Green House exhibit at National Building Museum in Washington, D.C.:  <a href="http://www.nbm.org/exhibits/greenhouse2" rel="nofollow">http://www.nbm.org/exhibits/greenhouse2</a>  This is a gem of a museum located in the Old Patent Office &#8212; oft-pictured during Inauguration Balls held there.</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t Bill Gates&#8217; house in Seattle area have a lot of energy-saving features, in addition to the sensors which play the type of music the family member/guest who&#8217;s just walked into a room likes to hear?</p>
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		<title>By: John Valenti</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Valenti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>marriagedestroyer,

we installed  a geothermal system in &#039;99. I think it was about $12,000 complete (with ductwork).  I&#039;m pretty sure I could have gotten a propane furnace and AC unit installed for about half that.

Cooling is very economical. Heating is more than expected, some of our electric bills are $300/month (avg is probably about $125 over 12 months)

Our system is the &quot;pump and dump&quot; style, using well water. That can only be done if you have acreage. Another style uses underground tubing for heat exchange, that also requires quit a bit of space.

The house is owner built (1984 - now...), double-wall superinsulated. We heated with wood for the first 15 years - my poor, suffering wife.
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I don&#039;t think current construction practices allow a house to be unheated during the winter. Even if you drain the pipes, moisture gets in the drywall and destroys it - must maintain at least 45 degrees or so.  So I&#039;ve been told.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>marriagedestroyer,</p>
<p>we installed  a geothermal system in &#8216;99. I think it was about $12,000 complete (with ductwork).  I&#8217;m pretty sure I could have gotten a propane furnace and AC unit installed for about half that.</p>
<p>Cooling is very economical. Heating is more than expected, some of our electric bills are $300/month (avg is probably about $125 over 12 months)</p>
<p>Our system is the &#8220;pump and dump&#8221; style, using well water. That can only be done if you have acreage. Another style uses underground tubing for heat exchange, that also requires quit a bit of space.</p>
<p>The house is owner built (1984 &#8211; now&#8230;), double-wall superinsulated. We heated with wood for the first 15 years &#8211; my poor, suffering wife.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
I don&#8217;t think current construction practices allow a house to be unheated during the winter. Even if you drain the pipes, moisture gets in the drywall and destroys it &#8211; must maintain at least 45 degrees or so.  So I&#8217;ve been told.</p>
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		<title>By: Brennon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2007/06/10/energy-usage-in-cities-and-buildings/comment-page-1/#comment-23732</link>
		<dc:creator>Brennon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 08:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it&#039;s just a California thing, but I&#039;ve never embraced A/C of any kind.  Not in my car, and not in my house.  People that put their ambient comfort in the responsiblity of work or heat devices, generally haven&#039;t been inhabiting a place that was built with comfort in mind.  Without giving vendors (as I don&#039;t have a commercial interest), a really good device for heat/moisture regulation in the summer/winter is a solar powered attic fan.  Any and every house with an attic space, also has a pocket of air that heats and seeps down at night by default.  There is less of a need for A/C if people spend the two hours to drop a self-powered unit into their roofs or pay a pro to cut a pie hole in the roof for them.  Within minutes once the pie hole is even cut, 90% (observational guestimation) of the heat escapes.  Using the sun to regulate the heat evacuation and draw it out (1,800 cfm) just makes solid sense.  People put all their energy into pumping cool air into their homes, when they haven&#039;t even used 1/1000th of a percent of the total energy consumed to help let a little hot air out.  If you don&#039;t know what E=W+Q means yet, call a pro to do the design and to play with the details for a while.  If you&#039;ve got a fresh build, please contact someone who knows what they&#039;re doing with heat transfer.

FYI - British Petroleum makes the best solar attic fan (that&#039;s just the functional classicist in me speaking up for a well crafted product I&#039;ve used and installed).

Best Wishes in Terms of Efficiency and Novelty,
imightbethatguy@yahoo.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it&#8217;s just a California thing, but I&#8217;ve never embraced A/C of any kind.  Not in my car, and not in my house.  People that put their ambient comfort in the responsiblity of work or heat devices, generally haven&#8217;t been inhabiting a place that was built with comfort in mind.  Without giving vendors (as I don&#8217;t have a commercial interest), a really good device for heat/moisture regulation in the summer/winter is a solar powered attic fan.  Any and every house with an attic space, also has a pocket of air that heats and seeps down at night by default.  There is less of a need for A/C if people spend the two hours to drop a self-powered unit into their roofs or pay a pro to cut a pie hole in the roof for them.  Within minutes once the pie hole is even cut, 90% (observational guestimation) of the heat escapes.  Using the sun to regulate the heat evacuation and draw it out (1,800 cfm) just makes solid sense.  People put all their energy into pumping cool air into their homes, when they haven&#8217;t even used 1/1000th of a percent of the total energy consumed to help let a little hot air out.  If you don&#8217;t know what E=W+Q means yet, call a pro to do the design and to play with the details for a while.  If you&#8217;ve got a fresh build, please contact someone who knows what they&#8217;re doing with heat transfer.</p>
<p>FYI &#8211; British Petroleum makes the best solar attic fan (that&#8217;s just the functional classicist in me speaking up for a well crafted product I&#8217;ve used and installed).</p>
<p>Best Wishes in Terms of Efficiency and Novelty,<br />
<a href="mailto:imightbethatguy@yahoo.com">imightbethatguy@yahoo.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: marriagedestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>marriagedestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anybody know why geothermal heating and cooling is not popular in US?  From what I read the installation costs are similar to conventional systems but efficiency is a LOT higher (i.e. around 80% reduction in utility energy use).

I agree about residential AC&#039;s having trouble if house warmed up too much while nobody was home.  If I leave thermostat at 85-90 F during the day it almost impossible to cool back down until very late at night (DC area)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anybody know why geothermal heating and cooling is not popular in US?  From what I read the installation costs are similar to conventional systems but efficiency is a LOT higher (i.e. around 80% reduction in utility energy use).</p>
<p>I agree about residential AC&#8217;s having trouble if house warmed up too much while nobody was home.  If I leave thermostat at 85-90 F during the day it almost impossible to cool back down until very late at night (DC area)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael R. Bernstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael R. Bernstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 05:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is another factor to consider: While the AC unit may be adequate to maintaining a comfortable temperature, it may not be beefy enough to lower the temp very far if you let the house warm up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is another factor to consider: While the AC unit may be adequate to maintaining a comfortable temperature, it may not be beefy enough to lower the temp very far if you let the house warm up.</p>
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		<title>By: K</title>
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		<dc:creator>K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 19:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always notice how often air conditioners run when the outside temperature is fairly cool.  The glass would help, but why not some sort of smart heat exchanger?  

We could even account for forecasts:
Indoor temperature 76 degrees F
Outdoor temperature 65 degrees F (it&#039;s 2:00 AM)
Forecast high tomorrow:  82 degrees F

Conclusion: turn on the attic fan.

Likewise, in the morning as the temperature is rising, the system would be smart enough to button things up at the appropriate time in the morning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always notice how often air conditioners run when the outside temperature is fairly cool.  The glass would help, but why not some sort of smart heat exchanger?  </p>
<p>We could even account for forecasts:<br />
Indoor temperature 76 degrees F<br />
Outdoor temperature 65 degrees F (it&#8217;s 2:00 AM)<br />
Forecast high tomorrow:  82 degrees F</p>
<p>Conclusion: turn on the attic fan.</p>
<p>Likewise, in the morning as the temperature is rising, the system would be smart enough to button things up at the appropriate time in the morning.</p>
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		<title>By: JIm Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>JIm Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw a recent article in Government Computing News: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gcn.com/print/26_13/44402-1.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;GSA paves way for IT-based buildings&lt;/a&gt; that explains how the state of Missouri is achieving upwards to $30M in savings using some IT/Energy solution, on existing infrastructure, from some firm named &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gridlogix.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gridlogix&lt;/a&gt;.

The state seems to have a pretty novel approach to achieve a large near term savings.  While the Ice Caps melt, maybe its time to look for better technology oriented solutions.

energylover@gmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw a recent article in Government Computing News: <a href="http://www.gcn.com/print/26_13/44402-1.html" rel="nofollow">GSA paves way for IT-based buildings</a> that explains how the state of Missouri is achieving upwards to $30M in savings using some IT/Energy solution, on existing infrastructure, from some firm named <a href="http://www.gridlogix.com" rel="nofollow">Gridlogix</a>.</p>
<p>The state seems to have a pretty novel approach to achieve a large near term savings.  While the Ice Caps melt, maybe its time to look for better technology oriented solutions.</p>
<p><a href="mailto:energylover@gmail.com">energylover@gmail.com</a></p>
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