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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 05:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the larger point to all of this is--&quot; Who&#039;s next&quot;- Cessna, oh-- Their new &quot;skycatcher&quot; is made over seas already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the larger point to all of this is&#8211;&#8221; Who&#8217;s next&#8221;- Cessna, oh&#8211; Their new &#8220;skycatcher&#8221; is made over seas already.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

The gentleman has stated that his Precision fuel control runs flawlessly, so what does finding the manafacture of the Throttle Body in Renton have to do with the fact that the lawmakers are sitting on his bill 6324 covering immunity??

Since Washington is largely Demos, you can bet they will not upset the Trial Lawers, who feed them in their search for power.

Arthur Wolk has not found the Renton people yet, or they do not have enough insurance, or money, to bother with them.

What are you going to fly when they destroy our industry? 

Chuck</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>The gentleman has stated that his Precision fuel control runs flawlessly, so what does finding the manafacture of the Throttle Body in Renton have to do with the fact that the lawmakers are sitting on his bill 6324 covering immunity??</p>
<p>Since Washington is largely Demos, you can bet they will not upset the Trial Lawers, who feed them in their search for power.</p>
<p>Arthur Wolk has not found the Renton people yet, or they do not have enough insurance, or money, to bother with them.</p>
<p>What are you going to fly when they destroy our industry? </p>
<p>Chuck</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Jensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy, this strikes close to home.  We have a nice old (1956) Cessna 180 with Bendix fuel injection (now Precision) which has run flawlessly since installing the IO-470 engine 4 years ago.  That isn&#039;t a &quot;stock&quot; installation and when I was working on the FAA paperwork approvals, I needed a simple calibration curve for a fuel flow gage from Precision, who held the data. Not that I blame them, they would not talk to me about that.  I learned that the famous Arthur Alan Wolk had sued their fannies and they were not interested in helping me no mater what.  At least Precision will sell injection parts to me.

I fly that 180 as an air search guy for benefit of the public in WA state. Last year, every OTHER emergency worker in WA state was granted liability immunity (in effect &quot;Good Sam&quot; protection) by HB1073.  We air side folks were inadvertently left off, so we drafted http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=6324&amp;year=2007
and got it passed in the state Senate 47:1 (1 vote against was Mercer Island trail lawyer Weinstein.)

Our bill is stuck in the House Rules committee with Speaker Frank Chopp and House Majority Leader Lynn Kessler mysteriously (they won&#039;t tell us why) opposing and sitting on the bill.

I&#039;m writing here because I think the trial lawyers  &quot;woke up&quot; and are opposing this behind the scenes.

Because I don&#039;t know how to find out (I&#039;m just a pilot), I&#039;m asking for ideas that some sympathetic soul on this blog might offer to: c180tom@eskimo.com

Thanks.  Good luck Phil, I hope you get your helo.  Write me if you want me to dig out the maker of a throttle body injector (Renton, WA) which I can&#039;t remember right now.
Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy, this strikes close to home.  We have a nice old (1956) Cessna 180 with Bendix fuel injection (now Precision) which has run flawlessly since installing the IO-470 engine 4 years ago.  That isn&#8217;t a &#8220;stock&#8221; installation and when I was working on the FAA paperwork approvals, I needed a simple calibration curve for a fuel flow gage from Precision, who held the data. Not that I blame them, they would not talk to me about that.  I learned that the famous Arthur Alan Wolk had sued their fannies and they were not interested in helping me no mater what.  At least Precision will sell injection parts to me.</p>
<p>I fly that 180 as an air search guy for benefit of the public in WA state. Last year, every OTHER emergency worker in WA state was granted liability immunity (in effect &#8220;Good Sam&#8221; protection) by HB1073.  We air side folks were inadvertently left off, so we drafted <a href="http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=6324&amp;year=2007" rel="nofollow">http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=6324&amp;year=2007</a><br />
and got it passed in the state Senate 47:1 (1 vote against was Mercer Island trail lawyer Weinstein.)</p>
<p>Our bill is stuck in the House Rules committee with Speaker Frank Chopp and House Majority Leader Lynn Kessler mysteriously (they won&#8217;t tell us why) opposing and sitting on the bill.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m writing here because I think the trial lawyers  &#8220;woke up&#8221; and are opposing this behind the scenes.</p>
<p>Because I don&#8217;t know how to find out (I&#8217;m just a pilot), I&#8217;m asking for ideas that some sympathetic soul on this blog might offer to: <a href="mailto:c180tom@eskimo.com">c180tom@eskimo.com</a></p>
<p>Thanks.  Good luck Phil, I hope you get your helo.  Write me if you want me to dig out the maker of a throttle body injector (Renton, WA) which I can&#8217;t remember right now.<br />
Tom</p>
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		<title>By: Paul S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trial lawyers are absolutely the blame for these types of messes.  The judge who heard the case was a lawyer.  Advertising by trial lawyers conditions the jury pool with the message: &quot;If you have been injured, you DESERVE to be compensated&quot;.  Politicians and their minions, especially from the liberal side of the aisle portray corporations as evil entities that need to be taxed and conquered.  Who pays for all this madness?  Well you are getting a first hand taste Phil, we do.  The little mucks trying to buy a helicopter, go to the doctor, drive a car, we all pay.  Corporations just pass these costs along to the consumer, they have to otherwise they will go out of business.

The wishy washy politicians we elect in this country all believe the judiciary is the guardian of the constitution in this country and actively defer to their rulings. Nothing could be further from the truth or more dangerous to our freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trial lawyers are absolutely the blame for these types of messes.  The judge who heard the case was a lawyer.  Advertising by trial lawyers conditions the jury pool with the message: &#8220;If you have been injured, you DESERVE to be compensated&#8221;.  Politicians and their minions, especially from the liberal side of the aisle portray corporations as evil entities that need to be taxed and conquered.  Who pays for all this madness?  Well you are getting a first hand taste Phil, we do.  The little mucks trying to buy a helicopter, go to the doctor, drive a car, we all pay.  Corporations just pass these costs along to the consumer, they have to otherwise they will go out of business.</p>
<p>The wishy washy politicians we elect in this country all believe the judiciary is the guardian of the constitution in this country and actively defer to their rulings. Nothing could be further from the truth or more dangerous to our freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Product Liability has very little to do with liability.  It has to do with who is in a better position to pay the costs.  The courts decided in the 1950s that they needed to be the ultimate insurance agent/societal safety net .  

For a detailed analysis go to a library and dig out a dusty copy of Daedalus, Fall 1990 pages 207-227.

Judges are sometimes complicit in this political redistribution program.  A West Virginia Supreme Court Judge named Richard Neely was interviewed about a case in which tire manufacturer Michelin was ordered to pay damages in a single vehicle accident attributed to unexplained causes.  

His quotes: &quot;As a state court judge much of my time is devoted to designing elaborate new ways to make business pay for everyone else&#039;s bad luck. Michelin will somehow survive, but my disabled constituent won&#039;t make it the rest of her life without Michelin&#039;s money.  As long as I am allowed to redistribute wealth from out-of-state companies to injured in-state plaintiffs, I shall continue to do so.  Not only is my sleep enhanced when I give someone else&#039;s money away, but so is my job security, because in-state plaintiffs, their families and their friends will re-elect me.&quot;   [Quotes are in the public record. See Nov 1988 issue of Industry Week.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Product Liability has very little to do with liability.  It has to do with who is in a better position to pay the costs.  The courts decided in the 1950s that they needed to be the ultimate insurance agent/societal safety net .  </p>
<p>For a detailed analysis go to a library and dig out a dusty copy of Daedalus, Fall 1990 pages 207-227.</p>
<p>Judges are sometimes complicit in this political redistribution program.  A West Virginia Supreme Court Judge named Richard Neely was interviewed about a case in which tire manufacturer Michelin was ordered to pay damages in a single vehicle accident attributed to unexplained causes.  </p>
<p>His quotes: &#8220;As a state court judge much of my time is devoted to designing elaborate new ways to make business pay for everyone else&#8217;s bad luck. Michelin will somehow survive, but my disabled constituent won&#8217;t make it the rest of her life without Michelin&#8217;s money.  As long as I am allowed to redistribute wealth from out-of-state companies to injured in-state plaintiffs, I shall continue to do so.  Not only is my sleep enhanced when I give someone else&#8217;s money away, but so is my job security, because in-state plaintiffs, their families and their friends will re-elect me.&#8221;   [Quotes are in the public record. See Nov 1988 issue of Industry Week.]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Robinson can take one off of the completed helicopters that were ordered by Silver State?

http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2008/080213robinson.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Robinson can take one off of the completed helicopters that were ordered by Silver State?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2008/080213robinson.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2008/080213robinson.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: LFord</title>
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		<dc:creator>LFord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee has made at least a minor point worth mentioning:  the trial lawyers shouldn&#039;t bear ALL the blame.  Also responsible for the tort mess affecting manufacturers are:

1.  Compliant jurors who react with emotion, rather than being the finder of fault.
2   Legislatures (including Congress) which pass laws which favor tort suits (in this respect, the Democrats do deserve part of the blame because the trial lawyers lobby is one of the major contributors to Demos).
3.  Greedy plaintiffs, who rather than taking the settlements which could be had in most cases, claim &quot;It&#039;s not about the money,&quot; then proceed, with the aid the liberal, John Edwards trial lawyers of the world, to sue every last red cent.
4.  And, sometimes, manufacturers sometimes (but rarely) do ignore design defects until it bites them in the ... wallet.  (But probably not in the case at hand.)

To differ with Lee: Trial Judges really don&#039;t have the authority simply to dismiss cases that have a basis in law and fact (as decided by the jury), and, if they did, the appellate judges would probably just reinstate the suit and remand for a new trial.  That&#039;s why it is important which judges a President appoints to the Federal bench.

And, just as a matter of disclosure, I am a pilot, a lawyer (not a trial lawyer, although I did attend law school with John Edwards), and a Republican, although not necessarily in that order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee has made at least a minor point worth mentioning:  the trial lawyers shouldn&#8217;t bear ALL the blame.  Also responsible for the tort mess affecting manufacturers are:</p>
<p>1.  Compliant jurors who react with emotion, rather than being the finder of fault.<br />
2   Legislatures (including Congress) which pass laws which favor tort suits (in this respect, the Democrats do deserve part of the blame because the trial lawyers lobby is one of the major contributors to Demos).<br />
3.  Greedy plaintiffs, who rather than taking the settlements which could be had in most cases, claim &#8220;It&#8217;s not about the money,&#8221; then proceed, with the aid the liberal, John Edwards trial lawyers of the world, to sue every last red cent.<br />
4.  And, sometimes, manufacturers sometimes (but rarely) do ignore design defects until it bites them in the &#8230; wallet.  (But probably not in the case at hand.)</p>
<p>To differ with Lee: Trial Judges really don&#8217;t have the authority simply to dismiss cases that have a basis in law and fact (as decided by the jury), and, if they did, the appellate judges would probably just reinstate the suit and remand for a new trial.  That&#8217;s why it is important which judges a President appoints to the Federal bench.</p>
<p>And, just as a matter of disclosure, I am a pilot, a lawyer (not a trial lawyer, although I did attend law school with John Edwards), and a Republican, although not necessarily in that order.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 06:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trial Lawyers?  I&#039;m sorry, but what does that have to do with anything (other than tired republican talking points)?  What about the judge who allowed the case to proceed - presumably he bears some responsibility for the outcome?  Or perhaps the jury?  And what about the defense attorney - don&#039;t they have some responsibility to make the same points that you made? 

Or maybe you could even blame the manufacturer?  According to the article &quot;the defect had been reported numerous times during the course of 40 years but wasn&#039;t fixed.&quot;

But no, lets blame the &#039;trial lawyers&#039; - because they donate lots of money to democrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trial Lawyers?  I&#8217;m sorry, but what does that have to do with anything (other than tired republican talking points)?  What about the judge who allowed the case to proceed &#8211; presumably he bears some responsibility for the outcome?  Or perhaps the jury?  And what about the defense attorney &#8211; don&#8217;t they have some responsibility to make the same points that you made? </p>
<p>Or maybe you could even blame the manufacturer?  According to the article &#8220;the defect had been reported numerous times during the course of 40 years but wasn&#8217;t fixed.&#8221;</p>
<p>But no, lets blame the &#8216;trial lawyers&#8217; &#8211; because they donate lots of money to democrats.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Howard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the best things President Bush has done is get at least a little bit of tort reform passed.  More importantly he&#039;s appointed judges who share his conservative views of runaway torts.

If you think President Bush is a &#039;King&#039;, then just you wait until we have President McCain/Obama/Hillary.  Obama and Hillary are wholly owned subsidiaries of the plaintiff lawyers, and McCain has been open hostile towards general aviation.

President Bill Clinton saved GA by passing mild aviation tort reforms, and President Bush has helped as much as he could.

The next President is very likely to reverse the Bush/Bill Clinton reforms and appoint many Edwards type lawyers to the Federal courts.

I think piston engine GA is doomed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the best things President Bush has done is get at least a little bit of tort reform passed.  More importantly he&#8217;s appointed judges who share his conservative views of runaway torts.</p>
<p>If you think President Bush is a &#8216;King&#8217;, then just you wait until we have President McCain/Obama/Hillary.  Obama and Hillary are wholly owned subsidiaries of the plaintiff lawyers, and McCain has been open hostile towards general aviation.</p>
<p>President Bill Clinton saved GA by passing mild aviation tort reforms, and President Bush has helped as much as he could.</p>
<p>The next President is very likely to reverse the Bush/Bill Clinton reforms and appoint many Edwards type lawyers to the Federal courts.</p>
<p>I think piston engine GA is doomed.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of these days, we&#039;re going to wake up to a sky full of Chinese airplanes and there will all sorts of long, sad faces in Washington, a lot of hand-wringing and wondering what went wrong.  Blue-ribbon panels will be convened to figure out how in the hell we lost our entire aviation industry, along with our entire auto industry, our consumer electronics industry, our textile industry, our steel manufacturing, etc. etc. etc.

Let&#039;s put the blame where it belongs. John Edwards and his ilk.

Our tort system has run amok and nobody is going to fix it until it is too late.  The rest of the world is itching to steal all of our industries away from us, and we are allowing a bunch of lawyers and insurance companies to help them. The really great thing about the Internet is that I will be able to come back to this web site to re-read my words when our aviation industry is gone and everything we fly is made in China.

People, this story is playing itself out over and over and over and over and over and over across the country.  Dumbasses like Ralph Nader started this bowel movement, and the end result is that the United States is being killed off.  You want to know why there is no manufacturing left in this country?  Look at who is wearing the expensive suits.  Follow the money.  That&#039;s where it&#039;s going.

This is supposed to be a government of, by, and for the people.  I don&#039;t believe it any more.  The Federal Reserve decides whether they want our economy to grow or shrink, the insurance companies override all government regulations and dictate their own terms, the politicians are too busy raising money for the next election, the FAA is so mired in bureaucratic red tape they can&#039;t see what is happening to our industry.

The people are sheep, and they are letting the wolves eat them alive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of these days, we&#8217;re going to wake up to a sky full of Chinese airplanes and there will all sorts of long, sad faces in Washington, a lot of hand-wringing and wondering what went wrong.  Blue-ribbon panels will be convened to figure out how in the hell we lost our entire aviation industry, along with our entire auto industry, our consumer electronics industry, our textile industry, our steel manufacturing, etc. etc. etc.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s put the blame where it belongs. John Edwards and his ilk.</p>
<p>Our tort system has run amok and nobody is going to fix it until it is too late.  The rest of the world is itching to steal all of our industries away from us, and we are allowing a bunch of lawyers and insurance companies to help them. The really great thing about the Internet is that I will be able to come back to this web site to re-read my words when our aviation industry is gone and everything we fly is made in China.</p>
<p>People, this story is playing itself out over and over and over and over and over and over across the country.  Dumbasses like Ralph Nader started this bowel movement, and the end result is that the United States is being killed off.  You want to know why there is no manufacturing left in this country?  Look at who is wearing the expensive suits.  Follow the money.  That&#8217;s where it&#8217;s going.</p>
<p>This is supposed to be a government of, by, and for the people.  I don&#8217;t believe it any more.  The Federal Reserve decides whether they want our economy to grow or shrink, the insurance companies override all government regulations and dictate their own terms, the politicians are too busy raising money for the next election, the FAA is so mired in bureaucratic red tape they can&#8217;t see what is happening to our industry.</p>
<p>The people are sheep, and they are letting the wolves eat them alive.</p>
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