Comments on: FAA using mainframe computers from Philips

By: Michael Gaff

Michael Gaff — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:52:25 +0000

Is there an archive of all the flight plans filed? It could be used in litigation problems and reconstructing information if logbooks are lost or destroyed.

By: Andreas Sikkema

Andreas Sikkema — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:11:13 +0000

Former colleagues of mine (they’re all aged around 60) were involved in designing, testing and production of these beasts. Apparently there were several very large installations of these “Dutch” machines in the US, from what I hear the largest one was located at Western Union in New York. There were computer floors containing hundreds of these cabinets in a building on Broadway with the Philips logo’s facing the windows.

SITA was indeed the largest customer and had sites with these machines all over the world.

Anyway, the business unit that produced the DS714 (and related products) went out of business a long time ago, some remnants remain here and there though.

There are stories of a machine at Royal Mail in the UK which had no downtime for 20 years….

By: Kragen Javier Sitaker

Kragen Javier Sitaker — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 08:42:19 +0000

20 messages per second? Depending on what the messages are and what it has to do with them, I think that’s what a pizza-box web server from 1996 might be expected to handle. Say, a Sparc 5.

I think you can get 72MHz ARM7TDMI microcontrollers, coincidentally also from Philips (although spun out into a company called NXP in 2006) that should have performance similar to a Sparc 5, while running on a single AA battery. Like the LPC2888, or the LPC2468, with a clock crystal, an external SDRAM, and an Ethernet transceiver. (The LPC2468 has the Ethernet MAC built in.) They cost about US$10-$15 from Digi-Key.

I guess we have reached the level where hardware is free. It’s software that costs money.

By: Bob Chaney

Bob Chaney — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:03:43 +0000

The Philips was never a mainframe-class machine. Instead, it is an old SITA-created packet switching machine that has remained technologically in the 1980’s.

By: Naum

Naum — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 02:17:50 +0000

Most of the daily computing transactions people incur are still shuffled through mainframe systems, the core of which are older than the FAA system you quote. Whether it be charge card submissions, insurance claim adjudications, flight reservations, power meter usage, etc.…, odds are good that it’s core processing occurs on a mainframe, using an old school hierarchical database platform like IMS (though in many cases DB2 is running but no fancy SQL as the data structures are primarily in “flat file” format”).

Not that these companies haven’t embarked upon reengineering and rewrite efforts, but most of them are years late and can’t even handle the small fraction of data they attempted to siphon off the “dinosaur” systems that still run.